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Randy Dreiling

2005-02-03

80% or so were not regular OBRA racers.

It was great event...I hope to see everyone again this

year Sept 4th

Thanks

Randy

--- brian <lis-@comcast.net> wrote:

MessageNot sure about 80% being out of state. Seems

to make more sense that 80% were just not OBRA

members.

I read the AMTRI rules and think that is a good

source and we should include many of those rules.

Not sure if I would want to adopt them completely.

I think the promoters may want more flexibility.

Guess we'll see at the meeting.

-Brian

----- Original Message -----

 From: david baker

 To: cmur-@obra.org ; lis-@comcast.net ;

ob-@topica.com

 Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:12 PM

 Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

 Candi,

 This thread reminds me of last year when I was

trying to figure out the rules for 24 hours of

willamette and the only answer I could get was

"whoever rides the most laps wins" . OBRA rules did

not even mention events like these. Randy said 80

percent of the racers were from out of state, and I

bet a lot of them did other endurance events. So it

would seem logical to me that obra just adopt the

AMTRI rules used in most other endurance events so

people can stick to their routine and not get

confused. Plus it would be easier than trying to

write all of our own rules, and then we could modify

them over time if need be.

 ----- Original Message -----

 From: cmur-@obra.org

 To: lis-@comcast.net ; ob-@topica.com

 Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 3:23 PM

 Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

 So we have had a proposed rule change for

endurance events. It is as posted below

 Candi

 Mountain bike racing rule 20.8 Change for

Endurance Races



 Since these events are so long in length and it

is common at other events of these kinds I propose

the following rules:



 1. Racers may use more then one bike during the

race.

 2. All forms of race support and mechanical

support are allowed in designated pit area's

 -----Original Message-----

 From: brian-cc [mailto:lis-@comcast.net]

 Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:35 PM

 To: 'Obra'

 Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

 Regarding the Cascade Cream Puff and 12-Hours

of Willamette, I read the section addressing

ULTRA-ENDURANCE races. It limits mechanical support

to wheel changes. I believe that Don's (CCP) rules

have been that you cannot change frames, but other

changes/repairs are okay. Perhaps some additional

consideration/discussion is needed regarding these

types of races.

 -Brian L.

 -----Original Message-----

 From: Cheryl J. Willson

[mailto:cjwil-@mindspring.com]

 Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:27 AM

 To: 'Obra'

 Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

 You can download OBRA rules including MTB

rules and read them! They're on the OBRA site. (

http://www.obra.org/forms/index.html )

 I've pasted some of the rules below and the

applicable rule 20.2.3 should appear in bold. It's

worth noting that rule changes are discussed at the

OBRA annual meeting...which is February 11 this

year. I am sure, if anyone is interested in

proposing a rule change, Candi or Mike can tell them

how to propose a change for the agenda.

 20 - MOUNTAIN BIKE RACING

 20.1 - TYPES OF COMPETITION

 - Cross-country -An individual or mass start

competition which is held on a circuit course

comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails

and unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount

of paved road may be necessary).

 - Point-to-Point - An individual or mass start

competition held on a course from point A to point B

comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails

and unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount

of paved road may be necessary).

 - Hill Climb/Uphill -A competition of

sustained climbing in which the finish line is at a

higher altitude than the start line. A hill climb

may be a mass start competition or a time trial.

 - Downhill - A time trial of sustained

descending occurring between a start line and a

finish line which is located at a lower altitude.

Competitors typically depart the start line in timed

intervals (i.e. 30 or 60 seconds).

 - Dual Slalom - An event where two competitors

race head-to-head down two parallel slalom courses.

The two courses should be as close to identical as

possible with an average time differential of less

than one second.

 - Stage Races - Events where competitors are

required to compete in a series of different events

toward one total overall score or time. A typical

stage race might consist of an uphill, a

cross-country and a downhill time trial. This event

determines the most versatile rider and occurs over

one or several days. Each stage has a winner.

Competitors must complete all stages with the

finishing times or points recorded after each event.

The rider with the lowest accumulated total time or

the highest accumulated points at the end of all

stages is the winner. A rider may be rewarded for

winning an individual stage with bonus seconds,

which are subtracted from the rider's overall time

(referred to as General Classification or G.C.).

 - Observed Trials - Events conducted over an

obstacle course including such natural hazards as

mud, rocks, water, etc. and can have any number of

sections. The riders attempt to negotiate each

section without putting down a foot or hand(dab).

Each dab (foot or hand) adds a point to the rider's

score. The rider with the lowest score wins the

event.

 20.2 - RACING REGULATIONS

 20.2.1 All riders must attend the pre-race

briefing (riders' meeting) normally held at the

staging area prior to the race start.

 20.2.2 Ignorance of the rules is not an

excuse.

 20.2.3 Racers shall complete the entire event

(or individual stage) on the same bicycle upon which

the event was begun. All repairs during an event

shall be performed by the individual racer. No

outside support is permitted. All spare parts and

tools shall be carried by the individual racer.

Cannibalizing: any part or component taken from one

bicycle to repair or improve the performance of

another is not permitted.

 20.2.4 Shortcutting and/or cutting trail

switchbacks may result in disqualification.

 20.2.5 Foul riding, un-sportsmanlike behavior

or the use of profane or abusive language are

grounds for warning, relegation, disqualification,

fine or recommended membership suspension. The

penalty imposed shall be determined by the Race

Official or the OBRA Administrative Assistant.

 20.2.6 Laws and ordinances of appropriate

jurisdictions shall be observed during participation

in any event.

 20.2.7 Only riders officially entered in the

event may practice or compete on the designated race

course and they must wear their number plate and

number.

 20.2..8 Infractions of rules, regulations and

requirements specified or not specifically defined

may result in a warning, relegation, or

disqualification.

 20.3 - CROSS-COUNTRY

 20.3.1 Water shall be available only in

designated feed zone(s) as outlined by the Race

Director. The Race Director will provide a neutral

water

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MessageNot sure about 80% being out of state. Seems to make more sense that 80% were just not OBRA members.

I read the AMTRI rules and think that is a good source and we should include many of those rules. Not sure if I would want to adopt them completely. I think the promoters may want more flexibility. Guess we'll see at the meeting.

-Brian

----- Original Message -----

From: david baker

To: cmur-@obra.org ; lis-@comcast.net ; ob-@topica.com

Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:12 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

Candi,

This thread reminds me of last year when I was trying to figure out the rules for 24 hours of willamette and the only answer I could get was "whoever rides the most laps wins" . OBRA rules did not even mention events like these. Randy said 80 percent of the racers were from out of state, and I bet a lot of them did other endurance events. So it would seem logical to me that obra just adopt the AMTRI rules used in most other endurance events so people can stick to their routine and not get confused. Plus it would be easier than trying to write all of our own rules, and then we could modify them over time if need be.

 ----- Original Message -----

 From: cmur-@obra.org

 To: lis-@comcast.net ; ob-@topica.com

 Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 3:23 PM

 Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

 So we have had a proposed rule change for endurance events. It is as posted below

 Candi

 Mountain bike racing rule 20.8 Change for Endurance Races



 Since these events are so long in length and it is common at other events of these kinds I propose the following rules:



 1. Racers may use more then one bike during the race.

 2. All forms of race support and mechanical support are allowed in designated pit area's

 -----Original Message-----

 From: brian-cc [mailto:lis-@comcast.net]

 Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:35 PM

 To: 'Obra'

 Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

 Regarding the Cascade Cream Puff and 12-Hours of Willamette, I read the section addressing ULTRA-ENDURANCE races. It limits mechanical support to wheel changes. I believe that Don's (CCP) rules have been that you cannot change frames, but other changes/repairs are okay. Perhaps some additional consideration/discussion is needed regarding these types of races.

 -Brian L.

 -----Original Message-----

 From: Cheryl J. Willson [mailto:cjwil-@mindspring.com]

 Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:27 AM

 To: 'Obra'

 Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

 You can download OBRA rules including MTB rules and read them! They're on the OBRA site. ( http://www.obra.org/forms/index.html )

 I've pasted some of the rules below and the applicable rule 20.2.3 should appear in bold. It's worth noting that rule changes are discussed at the OBRA annual meeting...which is February 11 this year. I am sure, if anyone is interested in proposing a rule change, Candi or Mike can tell them how to propose a change for the agenda.

 20 - MOUNTAIN BIKE RACING

 20.1 - TYPES OF COMPETITION

 - Cross-country -An individual or mass start competition which is held on a circuit course comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails and unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road may be necessary).

 - Point-to-Point - An individual or mass start competition held on a course from point A to point B comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails and unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road may be necessary).

 - Hill Climb/Uphill -A competition of sustained climbing in which the finish line is at a higher altitude than the start line. A hill climb may be a mass start competition or a time trial.

 - Downhill - A time trial of sustained descending occurring between a start line and a finish line which is located at a lower altitude. Competitors typically depart the start line in timed intervals (i.e. 30 or 60 seconds).

 - Dual Slalom - An event where two competitors race head-to-head down two parallel slalom courses. The two courses should be as close to identical as possible with an average time differential of less than one second.

 - Stage Races - Events where competitors are required to compete in a series of different events toward one total overall score or time. A typical stage race might consist of an uphill, a cross-country and a downhill time trial. This event determines the most versatile rider and occurs over one or several days. Each stage has a winner. Competitors must complete all stages with the finishing times or points recorded after each event. The rider with the lowest accumulated total time or the highest accumulated points at the end of all stages is the winner. A rider may be rewarded for winning an individual stage with bonus seconds, which are subtracted from the rider's overall time (referred to as General Classification or G.C.).

 - Observed Trials - Events conducted over an obstacle course including such natural hazards as mud, rocks, water, etc. and can have any number of sections. The riders attempt to negotiate each section without putting down a foot or hand(dab). Each dab (foot or hand) adds a point to the rider's score. The rider with the lowest score wins the event.

 20.2 - RACING REGULATIONS

 20.2.1 All riders must attend the pre-race briefing (riders' meeting) normally held at the staging area prior to the race start.

 20.2.2 Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse.

 20.2.3 Racers shall complete the entire event (or individual stage) on the same bicycle upon which the event was begun. All repairs during an event shall be performed by the individual racer. No outside support is permitted. All spare parts and tools shall be carried by the individual racer. Cannibalizing: any part or component taken from one bicycle to repair or improve the performance of another is not permitted.

 20.2.4 Shortcutting and/or cutting trail switchbacks may result in disqualification.

 20.2.5 Foul riding, un-sportsmanlike behavior or the use of profane or abusive language are grounds for warning, relegation, disqualification, fine or recommended membership suspension. The penalty imposed shall be determined by the Race Official or the OBRA Administrative Assistant.

 20.2.6 Laws and ordinances of appropriate jurisdictions shall be observed during participation in any event.

 20.2.7 Only riders officially entered in the event may practice or compete on the designated race course and they must wear their number plate and number.

 20.2..8 Infractions of rules, regulations and requirements specified or not specifically defined may result in a warning, relegation, or disqualification.

 20.3 - CROSS-COUNTRY

 20.3.1 Water shall be available only in designated feed zone(s) as outlined by the Race Director. The Race Director will provide a neutral water zone with water for any race exceeding 90 minutes in length. Official water zones must be accessible and publicized before each race. Feeding (food handouts) shall only be done in a designated feed zone. A feed handout to one rider must not cause other riders to slow down or veer off course.

 20.3.2 Racers riding bicycles have the right of way over racers pushing bicycles. When practical, racers pushing should stay on the least rideable portion of the path when being passed. A racer pushing or carrying his bicycle can overtake a racer riding his bicycle provided he does not interfere with the rider's progress.

 20.3.3 Lapped riders must yield to leaders. Riders should voice the command "Track" when overtaking another. It is the responsibility of the challenging rider to overtake safely. You must yield to the passing rider on the first command.

 20.3.4 In the event two riders are vying for position, the leading rider does not have to yield his position to the challenging rider. However, a rider may not bodily interfere with the intent to impede another rider's progress.

 20.3.5 Traditional rules of racing apply: the leading rider owns the track.

 On Feb 1, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Chris Brandt wrote:

 I know that OBRA operates independently of USACycling and the UCI, but

 I thought it might be helpful for those riders out there who race MTB

 to know...

 Mechanical Support:

 The UCI has moved to allow the use of

 "stock-it-yourself/do-it-yourself" pit areas for mechanical

 assistance, meaning, you would no longer have to carry with you every

 tool, tube, patch, tire, wheel, etc. during the race. This seems to

 pertain to national championship level races, or races where they

 select national team riders.

 I'm not making any value judgement regarding this new policy, just

 wanted to bring up the topic for discussion/clarification for OBRA

 riders. What is OBRA's stance on this matter?

 1.) Allow the use of the pits?

 2.) Dis-allow the pits and require the rider to carry everything

 necessary, as we have been doing since the beginnings of our sport.

 Let's share in this discussion so that we're all on the same page. Any ideas?

 Chris Brandt

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<DIV>Not sure about 80% being out of state. Seems

to make more sense that 80% were just not OBRA members.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I read the AMTRI rules and think that is a good

source and we should include many of those rules. Not sure if I would want

to adopt them completely. I think the promoters may want more

flexibility. Guess we'll see at the meeting.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>-Brian</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

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<DIV>Candi,</DIV>

<DIV>This thread reminds me of last year when I was

trying to figure out the rules for 24 hours of willamette and the only

answer I could get was "whoever rides the most laps wins" .

OBRA rules did not even mention events like these. Randy said 80

percent of the racers were from out of state, and I bet a lot of them did

other endurance events. So it would seem logical to me that obra just adopt

the AMTRI rules used in most other endurance events so people

can stick to their routine and not get confused. Plus it would be easier

than trying to write all of our own rules, and then we could modify them over

time if need be. </DIV>

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 <DIV>So

 we have had a proposed rule change for endurance events. It is as

 posted below</DIV>

 <DIV> </DIV>

 <DIV>Candi</DIV>

 <DIV> 

 Mountain

 bike racing rule 20.8 Change for Endurance Races

 <o:p> </o:p>

 Since

 these events are so long in length and it is common at other events of these

 kinds I propose the following rules:

 <o:p> </o:p>

 1. Racers

 may use more then one bike during the race.

 2. All

 forms of race support and mechanical support are allowed in designated pit

 area?s

 

 

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 <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left>-----Original Message----- From: brian-cc

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 5:35 PM To: 'Obra' Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] MTB

 rules? </DIV>

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 <?fontfamily><?param Times>Regarding

 the Cascade Cream Puff and 12-Hours of Willamette, I read the

 section addressing ULTRA-ENDURANCE races. It limits mechanical

 support to wheel changes. I believe that Don?s (CCP) rules have been

 that you cannot change frames, but other changes/repairs are okay.

 Perhaps some additional consideration/discussion is needed regarding these

 types of races.

 

 -Brian

 L.

 

 -----Original

 Message----- From: Cheryl

 J. Willson [mailto:cjwil-@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005

 10:27 AM To:

 'Obra' Subject: Re: [OBRA

 Chat] MTB rules?

 

 You can

 download OBRA rules including MTB rules and read them! They're on the OBRA

 site. ( <?/fontfamily>http://www.obra.org/forms/index.html ) <?fontfamily><?param Times> I've pasted some of the rules below

 and the applicable rule 20.2.3 should appear in bold. It's worth noting

 that rule changes are discussed at the OBRA annual meeting...which is

 February 11 this year. I am sure, if anyone is interested in proposing a

 rule change, Candi or Mike can tell them how to propose a change for the

 agenda. 20 - MOUNTAIN BIKE RACING 20.1 - TYPES OF

 COMPETITION - Cross-country -An individual or mass start competition

 which is held on a circuit course comprised of forest roads, forest or

 field trails and unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved

 road may be necessary). - Point-to-Point - An individual or mass start

 competition held on a course from point A to point B comprised of forest

 roads, forest or field trails and unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal

 amount of paved road may be necessary). - Hill Climb/Uphill -A

 competition of sustained climbing in which the finish line is at a higher

 altitude than the start line. A hill climb may be a mass start competition

 or a time trial. - Downhill - A time trial of sustained descending

 occurring between a start line and a finish line which is located at a

 lower altitude. Competitors typically depart the start line in timed

 intervals (i.e. 30 or 60 seconds). - Dual Slalom - An event where two

 competitors race head-to-head down two parallel slalom courses. The two

 courses should be as close to identical as possible with an average time

 differential of less than one second. - Stage Races - Events where

 competitors are required to compete in a series of different events toward

 one total overall score or time. A typical stage race might consist of an

 uphill, a cross-country and a downhill time trial. This event determines

 the most versatile rider and occurs over one or several days. Each stage

 has a winner. Competitors must complete all stages with the finishing

 times or points recorded after each event. The rider with the lowest

 accumulated total time or the highest accumulated points at the end of all

 stages is the winner. A rider may be rewarded for winning an individual

 stage with bonus seconds, which are subtracted from the rider's overall

 time (referred to as General Classification or G.C.). - Observed

 Trials - Events conducted over an obstacle course including such natural

 hazards as mud, rocks, water, etc. and can have any number of sections.

 The riders attempt to negotiate each section without putting down a foot

 or hand(dab). Each dab (foot or hand) adds a point to the rider's score.

 The rider with the lowest score wins the event. 20.2 - RACING

 REGULATIONS 20.2.1 All riders must attend the pre-race briefing

 (riders' meeting) normally held at the staging area prior to the race

 start. 20.2.2 Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse. 20.2.3 Racers shall complete the entire event

 (or individual stage) on the same bicycle upon which the event was begun.

 All repairs during an event shall be performed by the individual racer. No

 outside support is permitted. All spare parts and tools shall be carried

 by the individual racer. Cannibalizing: any part or component taken from

 one bicycle to repair or improve the performance of another is not

 permitted. 20.2.4 Shortcutting and/or cutting trail

 switchbacks may result in disqualification. 20.2.5 Foul riding,

 un-sportsmanlike behavior or the use of profane or abusive language are

 grounds for warning, relegation, disqualification, fine or recommended

 membership suspension. The penalty imposed shall be determined by the Race

 Official or the OBRA Administrative Assistant. 20.2.6 Laws and

 ordinances of appropriate jurisdictions shall be observed during

 participation in any event. 20.2.7 Only riders officially entered in

 the event may practice or compete on the designated race course and they

 must wear their number plate and number. 20.2..8 Infractions of rules,

 regulations and requirements specified or not specifically defined may

 result in a warning, relegation, or disqualification. 20.3 -

 CROSS-COUNTRY 20.3.1 Water shall be

 available only in designated feed zone(s) as outlined by the Race

 Director. The Race Director will provide a neutral water zone with water

 for any race exceeding 90 minutes in length. Official water zones must be

 accessible and publicized before each race. Feeding (food handouts) shall

 only be done in a designated feed zone. A feed handout to one rider must

 not cause other riders to slow down or veer off course.

 20.3.2 Racers riding bicycles have the right of way over

 racers pushing bicycles. When practical, racers pushing should stay on the

 least rideable portion of the path when being passed. A racer pushing or

 carrying his bicycle can overtake a racer riding his bicycle provided he

 does not interfere with the rider's progress. 20.3.3 Lapped riders

 must yield to leaders. Riders should voice the command "Track" when

 overtaking another. It is the responsibility of the challenging rider to

 overtake safely. You must yield to the passing rider on the first command.

 20.3.4 In the event two riders are vying for position, the leading

 rider does not have to yield his position to the challenging rider.

 However, a rider may not bodily interfere with the intent to impede

 another rider's progress. 20.3.5 Traditional rules of racing apply:

 the leading rider owns the track. <?/fontfamily>On Feb 1,

 2005, at 10:08 AM, Chris Brandt wrote:

 I know that

 OBRA operates independently of USACycling and the UCI, but I thought it

 might be helpful for those riders out there who race MTB to

 know... Mechanical Support: The UCI has moved to allow the use

 of "stock-it-yourself/do-it-yourself" pit areas for

 mechanical assistance, meaning, you would no longer have to carry with

 you every tool, tube, patch, tire, wheel, etc. during the race. This

 seems to pertain to national championship level races, or races where

 they select national team riders. I'm not making any value

 judgement regarding this new policy, just wanted to bring up the topic

 for discussion/clarification for OBRA riders. What is OBRA's stance on

 this matter? 1.) Allow the use of the pits? 2.) Dis-allow

 the pits and require the rider to carry everything necessary, as we

 have been doing since the beginnings of our sport. Let's share in

 this discussion so that we're all on the same page. Any

 ideas? Chris Brandt</DIV><PRE>To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

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MessageCandi,

This thread reminds me of last year when I was trying to figure out the rules for 24 hours of willamette and the only answer I could get was "whoever rides the most laps wins" . OBRA rules did not even mention events like these. Randy said 80 percent of the racers were from out of state, and I bet a lot of them did other endurance events. So it would seem logical to me that obra just adopt the AMTRI rules used in most other endurance events so people can stick to their routine and not get confused. Plus it would be easier than trying to write all of our own rules, and then we could modify them over time if need be.

----- Original Message -----

From: cmur-@obra.org

To: lis-@comcast.net ; ob-@topica.com

Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 3:23 PM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

So we have had a proposed rule change for endurance events. It is as posted below

Candi

Mountain bike racing rule 20.8 Change for Endurance Races



Since these events are so long in length and it is common at other events of these kinds I propose the following rules:



1. Racers may use more then one bike during the race.

2. All forms of race support and mechanical support are allowed in designated pit area's

 -----Original Message-----

 From: brian-cc [mailto:lis-@comcast.net]

 Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:35 PM

 To: 'Obra'

 Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

 Regarding the Cascade Cream Puff and 12-Hours of Willamette, I read the section addressing ULTRA-ENDURANCE races. It limits mechanical support to wheel changes. I believe that Don's (CCP) rules have been that you cannot change frames, but other changes/repairs are okay. Perhaps some additional consideration/discussion is needed regarding these types of races.

 -Brian L.

 -----Original Message-----

 From: Cheryl J. Willson [mailto:cjwil-@mindspring.com]

 Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:27 AM

 To: 'Obra'

 Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

 You can download OBRA rules including MTB rules and read them! They're on the OBRA site. ( http://www.obra.org/forms/index.html )

 I've pasted some of the rules below and the applicable rule 20.2.3 should appear in bold. It's worth noting that rule changes are discussed at the OBRA annual meeting...which is February 11 this year. I am sure, if anyone is interested in proposing a rule change, Candi or Mike can tell them how to propose a change for the agenda.

 20 - MOUNTAIN BIKE RACING

 20.1 - TYPES OF COMPETITION

 - Cross-country -An individual or mass start competition which is held on a circuit course comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails and unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road may be necessary).

 - Point-to-Point - An individual or mass start competition held on a course from point A to point B comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails and unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road may be necessary).

 - Hill Climb/Uphill -A competition of sustained climbing in which the finish line is at a higher altitude than the start line. A hill climb may be a mass start competition or a time trial.

 - Downhill - A time trial of sustained descending occurring between a start line and a finish line which is located at a lower altitude. Competitors typically depart the start line in timed intervals (i.e. 30 or 60 seconds).

 - Dual Slalom - An event where two competitors race head-to-head down two parallel slalom courses. The two courses should be as close to identical as possible with an average time differential of less than one second.

 - Stage Races - Events where competitors are required to compete in a series of different events toward one total overall score or time. A typical stage race might consist of an uphill, a cross-country and a downhill time trial. This event determines the most versatile rider and occurs over one or several days. Each stage has a winner. Competitors must complete all stages with the finishing times or points recorded after each event. The rider with the lowest accumulated total time or the highest accumulated points at the end of all stages is the winner. A rider may be rewarded for winning an individual stage with bonus seconds, which are subtracted from the rider's overall time (referred to as General Classification or G.C.).

 - Observed Trials - Events conducted over an obstacle course including such natural hazards as mud, rocks, water, etc. and can have any number of sections. The riders attempt to negotiate each section without putting down a foot or hand(dab). Each dab (foot or hand) adds a point to the rider's score. The rider with the lowest score wins the event.

 20.2 - RACING REGULATIONS

 20.2.1 All riders must attend the pre-race briefing (riders' meeting) normally held at the staging area prior to the race start.

 20.2.2 Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse.

 20.2.3 Racers shall complete the entire event (or individual stage) on the same bicycle upon which the event was begun. All repairs during an event shall be performed by the individual racer. No outside support is permitted. All spare parts and tools shall be carried by the individual racer. Cannibalizing: any part or component taken from one bicycle to repair or improve the performance of another is not permitted.

 20.2.4 Shortcutting and/or cutting trail switchbacks may result in disqualification.

 20.2.5 Foul riding, un-sportsmanlike behavior or the use of profane or abusive language are grounds for warning, relegation, disqualification, fine or recommended membership suspension. The penalty imposed shall be determined by the Race Official or the OBRA Administrative Assistant.

 20.2.6 Laws and ordinances of appropriate jurisdictions shall be observed during participation in any event.

 20.2.7 Only riders officially entered in the event may practice or compete on the designated race course and they must wear their number plate and number.

 20.2..8 Infractions of rules, regulations and requirements specified or not specifically defined may result in a warning, relegation, or disqualification.

 20.3 - CROSS-COUNTRY

 20.3.1 Water shall be available only in designated feed zone(s) as outlined by the Race Director. The Race Director will provide a neutral water zone with water for any race exceeding 90 minutes in length. Official water zones must be accessible and publicized before each race. Feeding (food handouts) shall only be done in a designated feed zone. A feed handout to one rider must not cause other riders to slow down or veer off course.

 20.3.2 Racers riding bicycles have the right of way over racers pushing bicycles. When practical, racers pushing should stay on the least rideable portion of the path when being passed. A racer pushing or carrying his bicycle can overtake a racer riding his bicycle provided he does not interfere with the rider's progress.

 20.3.3 Lapped riders must yield to leaders. Riders should voice the command "Track" when overtaking another. It is the responsibility of the challenging rider to overtake safely. You must yield to the passing rider on the first command.

 20.3.4 In the event two riders are vying for position, the leading rider does not have to yield his position to the challenging rider. However, a rider may not bodily interfere with the intent to impede another rider's progress.

 20.3.5 Traditional rules of racing apply: the leading rider owns the track.

 On Feb 1, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Chris Brandt wrote:

 I know that OBRA operates independently of USACycling and the UCI, but

 I thought it might be helpful for those riders out there who race MTB

 to know...

 Mechanical Support:

 The UCI has moved to allow the use of

 "stock-it-yourself/do-it-yourself" pit areas for mechanical

 assistance, meaning, you would no longer have to carry with you every

 tool, tube, patch, tire, wheel, etc. during the race. This seems to

 pertain to national championship level races, or races where they

 select national team riders.

 I'm not making any value judgement regarding this new policy, just

 wanted to bring up the topic for discussion/clarification for OBRA

 riders. What is OBRA's stance on this matter?

 1.) Allow the use of the pits?

 2.) Dis-allow the pits and require the rider to carry everything

 necessary, as we have been doing since the beginnings of our sport.

 Let's share in this discussion so that we're all on the same page. Any ideas?

 Chris Brandt

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<DIV>This thread reminds me of last year when I was

trying to figure out the rules for 24 hours of willamette and the only

answer I could get was "whoever rides the most laps wins" . OBRA

rules did not even mention events like these. Randy said 80 percent of

the racers were from out of state, and I bet a lot of them did other endurance

events. So it would seem logical to me that obra just adopt the AMTRI rules used

in most other endurance events so people can stick to their

routine and not get confused. Plus it would be easier than trying to write all

of our own rules, and then we could modify them over time if need

be. </DIV>

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<DIV>So

we have had a proposed rule change for endurance events. It is as posted

below</DIV>

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<DIV>Candi</DIV>

<DIV> 

Mountain

bike racing rule 20.8 Change for Endurance Races

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Since these

events are so long in length and it is common at other events of these kinds I

propose the following rules:

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1. Racers

may use more then one bike during the race.

2. All

forms of race support and mechanical support are allowed in designated pit

area?s

 

 

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 PM To: 'Obra' Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] MTB

 rules? </DIV>

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 <?fontfamily><?param Times>Regarding

 the Cascade Cream Puff and 12-Hours of Willamette, I read the

 section addressing ULTRA-ENDURANCE races. It limits mechanical support

 to wheel changes. I believe that Don?s (CCP) rules have been that you

 cannot change frames, but other changes/repairs are okay. Perhaps some

 additional consideration/discussion is needed regarding these types of

 races.

 

 -Brian

 L.

 

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 J. Willson [mailto:cjwil-@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:27

 AM To: 'Obra' Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB

 rules?

 

 You can download

 OBRA rules including MTB rules and read them! They're on the OBRA site. ( <?/fontfamily>http://www.obra.org/forms/index.html ) <?fontfamily><?param Times> I've pasted some of the rules below and

 the applicable rule 20.2.3 should appear in bold. It's worth noting that

 rule changes are discussed at the OBRA annual meeting...which is February 11

 this year. I am sure, if anyone is interested in proposing a rule change,

 Candi or Mike can tell them how to propose a change for the agenda.

 20 - MOUNTAIN BIKE RACING 20.1 - TYPES OF COMPETITION -

 Cross-country -An individual or mass start competition which is held on a

 circuit course comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails and unpaved

 dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road may be necessary).

 - Point-to-Point - An individual or mass start competition held on a

 course from point A to point B comprised of forest roads, forest or field

 trails and unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road may

 be necessary). - Hill Climb/Uphill -A competition of sustained climbing

 in which the finish line is at a higher altitude than the start line. A hill

 climb may be a mass start competition or a time trial. - Downhill - A

 time trial of sustained descending occurring between a start line and a

 finish line which is located at a lower altitude. Competitors typically

 depart the start line in timed intervals (i.e. 30 or 60 seconds). - Dual

 Slalom - An event where two competitors race head-to-head down two parallel

 slalom courses. The two courses should be as close to identical as possible

 with an average time differential of less than one second. - Stage Races

 - Events where competitors are required to compete in a series of different

 events toward one total overall score or time. A typical stage race might

 consist of an uphill, a cross-country and a downhill time trial. This event

 determines the most versatile rider and occurs over one or several days.

 Each stage has a winner. Competitors must complete all stages with the

 finishing times or points recorded after each event. The rider with the

 lowest accumulated total time or the highest accumulated points at the end

 of all stages is the winner. A rider may be rewarded for winning an

 individual stage with bonus seconds, which are subtracted from the rider's

 overall time (referred to as General Classification or G.C.). - Observed

 Trials - Events conducted over an obstacle course including such natural

 hazards as mud, rocks, water, etc. and can have any number of sections. The

 riders attempt to negotiate each section without putting down a foot or

 hand(dab). Each dab (foot or hand) adds a point to the rider's score. The

 rider with the lowest score wins the event. 20.2 - RACING REGULATIONS

 20.2.1 All riders must attend the pre-race briefing (riders' meeting)

 normally held at the staging area prior to the race start. 20.2.2

 Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse. 20.2.3 Racers shall complete the entire event (or

 individual stage) on the same bicycle upon which the event was begun. All

 repairs during an event shall be performed by the individual racer. No

 outside support is permitted. All spare parts and tools shall be carried by

 the individual racer. Cannibalizing: any part or component taken from one

 bicycle to repair or improve the performance of another is not permitted.

 20.2.4 Shortcutting and/or cutting trail switchbacks may

 result in disqualification. 20.2.5 Foul riding, un-sportsmanlike

 behavior or the use of profane or abusive language are grounds for warning,

 relegation, disqualification, fine or recommended membership suspension. The

 penalty imposed shall be determined by the Race Official or the OBRA

 Administrative Assistant. 20.2.6 Laws and ordinances of appropriate

 jurisdictions shall be observed during participation in any event.

 20.2.7 Only riders officially entered in the event may practice or

 compete on the designated race course and they must wear their number plate

 and number. 20.2..8 Infractions of rules, regulations and requirements

 specified or not specifically defined may result in a warning, relegation,

 or disqualification. 20.3 - CROSS-COUNTRY 20.3.1 Water shall be available only in designated

 feed zone(s) as outlined by the Race Director. The Race Director will

 provide a neutral water zone with water for any race exceeding 90 minutes in

 length. Official water zones must be accessible and publicized before each

 race. Feeding (food handouts) shall only be done in a designated feed zone.

 A feed handout to one rider must not cause other riders to slow down or veer

 off course. 20.3.2 Racers riding bicycles have the right of

 way over racers pushing bicycles. When practical, racers pushing should stay

 on the least rideable portion of the path when being passed. A racer pushing

 or carrying his bicycle can overtake a racer riding his bicycle provided he

 does not interfere with the rider's progress. 20.3.3 Lapped riders must

 yield to leaders. Riders should voice the command "Track" when overtaking

 another. It is the responsibility of the challenging rider to overtake

 safely. You must yield to the passing rider on the first command. 20.3.4

 In the event two riders are vying for position, the leading rider does not

 have to yield his position to the challenging rider. However, a rider may

 not bodily interfere with the intent to impede another rider's progress.

 20.3.5 Traditional rules of racing apply: the leading rider owns the

 track. <?/fontfamily>On Feb 1, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Chris

 Brandt wrote:

 I know that OBRA

 operates independently of USACycling and the UCI, but I thought it might

 be helpful for those riders out there who race MTB to

 know... Mechanical Support: The UCI has moved to allow the use

 of "stock-it-yourself/do-it-yourself" pit areas for

 mechanical assistance, meaning, you would no longer have to carry with

 you every tool, tube, patch, tire, wheel, etc. during the race. This

 seems to pertain to national championship level races, or races where

 they select national team riders. I'm not making any value

 judgement regarding this new policy, just wanted to bring up the topic

 for discussion/clarification for OBRA riders. What is OBRA's stance on

 this matter? 1.) Allow the use of the pits? 2.) Dis-allow the

 pits and require the rider to carry everything necessary, as we have been

 doing since the beginnings of our sport. Let's share in this

 discussion so that we're all on the same page. Any ideas? Chris

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So we have had a proposed rule change for endurance events. It is as posted

below

Candi

Mountain bike racing rule 20.8 Change for Endurance Races

Since these events are so long in length and it is common at other events of

these kinds I propose the following rules:

1. Racers may use more then one bike during the race.

2. All forms of race support and mechanical support are allowed in

designated pit area's

-----Original Message-----

From: brian-cc [mailto:lis-@comcast.net]

Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:35 PM

To: 'Obra'

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

Regarding the Cascade Cream Puff and 12-Hours of Willamette, I read the

section addressing ULTRA-ENDURANCE races. It limits mechanical support to

wheel changes. I believe that Don's (CCP) rules have been that you cannot

change frames, but other changes/repairs are okay. Perhaps some additional

consideration/discussion is needed regarding these types of races.

-Brian L.

-----Original Message-----

From: Cheryl J. Willson [mailto:cjwil-@mindspring.com]

Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:27 AM

To: 'Obra'

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

You can download OBRA rules including MTB rules and read them! They're on

the OBRA site. ( http://www.obra.org/forms/index.html )

I've pasted some of the rules below and the applicable rule 20.2.3 should

appear in bold. It's worth noting that rule changes are discussed at the

OBRA annual meeting...which is February 11 this year. I am sure, if anyone

is interested in proposing a rule change, Candi or Mike can tell them how to

propose a change for the agenda.

20 - MOUNTAIN BIKE RACING

20.1 - TYPES OF COMPETITION

- Cross-country -An individual or mass start competition which is held on a

circuit course comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails and unpaved

dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road may be necessary).

- Point-to-Point - An individual or mass start competition held on a course

from point A to point B comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails

and unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road may be

necessary).

- Hill Climb/Uphill -A competition of sustained climbing in which the finish

line is at a higher altitude than the start line. A hill climb may be a mass

start competition or a time trial.

- Downhill - A time trial of sustained descending occurring between a start

line and a finish line which is located at a lower altitude. Competitors

typically depart the start line in timed intervals (i.e. 30 or 60 seconds).

- Dual Slalom - An event where two competitors race head-to-head down two

parallel slalom courses. The two courses should be as close to identical as

possible with an average time differential of less than one second.

- Stage Races - Events where competitors are required to compete in a series

of different events toward one total overall score or time. A typical stage

race might consist of an uphill, a cross-country and a downhill time trial.

This event determines the most versatile rider and occurs over one or

several days. Each stage has a winner. Competitors must complete all stages

with the finishing times or points recorded after each event. The rider with

the lowest accumulated total time or the highest accumulated points at the

end of all stages is the winner. A rider may be rewarded for winning an

individual stage with bonus seconds, which are subtracted from the rider's

overall time (referred to as General Classification or G.C.).

- Observed Trials - Events conducted over an obstacle course including such

natural hazards as mud, rocks, water, etc. and can have any number of

sections. The riders attempt to negotiate each section without putting down

a foot or hand(dab). Each dab (foot or hand) adds a point to the rider's

score. The rider with the lowest score wins the event.

20.2 - RACING REGULATIONS

20.2.1 All riders must attend the pre-race briefing (riders' meeting)

normally held at the staging area prior to the race start.

20.2.2 Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse.

20.2.3 Racers shall complete the entire event (or individual stage) on the

same bicycle upon which the event was begun. All repairs during an event

shall be performed by the individual racer. No outside support is permitted.

All spare parts and tools shall be carried by the individual racer.

Cannibalizing: any part or component taken from one bicycle to repair or

improve the performance of another is not permitted.

20.2.4 Shortcutting and/or cutting trail switchbacks may result in

disqualification.

20.2.5 Foul riding, un-sportsmanlike behavior or the use of profane or

abusive language are grounds for warning, relegation, disqualification, fine

or recommended membership suspension. The penalty imposed shall be

determined by the Race Official or the OBRA Administrative Assistant.

20.2.6 Laws and ordinances of appropriate jurisdictions shall be observed

during participation in any event.

20.2.7 Only riders officially entered in the event may practice or compete

on the designated race course and they must wear their number plate and

number.

20.2..8 Infractions of rules, regulations and requirements specified or not

specifically defined may result in a warning, relegation, or

disqualification.

20.3 - CROSS-COUNTRY

20.3.1 Water shall be available only in designated feed zone(s) as outlined

by the Race Director. The Race Director will provide a neutral water zone

with water for any race exceeding 90 minutes in length. Official water zones

must be accessible and publicized before each race. Feeding (food handouts)

shall only be done in a designated feed zone. A feed handout to one rider

must not cause other riders to slow down or veer off course.

20.3.2 Racers riding bicycles have the right of way over racers pushing

bicycles. When practical, racers pushing should stay on the least rideable

portion of the path when being passed. A racer pushing or carrying his

bicycle can overtake a racer riding his bicycle provided he does not

interfere with the rider's progress.

20.3.3 Lapped riders must yield to leaders. Riders should voice the command

"Track" when overtaking another. It is the responsibility of the challenging

rider to overtake safely. You must yield to the passing rider on the first

command.

20.3.4 In the event two riders are vying for position, the leading rider

does not have to yield his position to the challenging rider. However, a

rider may not bodily interfere with the intent to impede another rider's

progress.

20.3.5 Traditional rules of racing apply: the leading rider owns the track.

On Feb 1, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Chris Brandt wrote:

I know that OBRA operates independently of USACycling and the UCI, but

I thought it might be helpful for those riders out there who race MTB

to know...

Mechanical Support:

The UCI has moved to allow the use of

"stock-it-yourself/do-it-yourself" pit areas for mechanical

assistance, meaning, you would no longer have to carry with you every

tool, tube, patch, tire, wheel, etc. during the race. This seems to

pertain to national championship level races, or races where they

select national team riders.

I'm not making any value judgement regarding this new policy, just

wanted to bring up the topic for discussion/clarification for OBRA

riders. What is OBRA's stance on this matter?

1.) Allow the use of the pits?

2.) Dis-allow the pits and require the rider to carry everything

necessary, as we have been doing since the beginnings of our sport.

Let's share in this discussion so that we're all on the same page. Any

ideas?

Chris Brandt

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<DIV>So we

have had a proposed rule change for endurance events. It is as posted

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<DIV>Candi</DIV>

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Mountain bike

racing rule 20.8 Change for Endurance Races

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Since these

events are so long in length and it is common at other events of these kinds I

propose the following rules:

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1. Racers may

use more then one bike during the race.

2. All forms

of race support and mechanical support are allowed in designated pit

area’s

 

 

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PM To: 'Obra' Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] MTB

rules? </DIV>

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<?fontfamily><?param Times>Regarding

the Cascade Cream Puff and 12-Hours of Willamette, I read the section

addressing ULTRA-ENDURANCE races. It limits mechanical support to wheel

changes. I believe that Don’s (CCP) rules have been that you cannot

change frames, but other changes/repairs are okay. Perhaps some

additional consideration/discussion is needed regarding these types of

races.

 

-Brian

L.

 

-----Original

Message----- From: Cheryl J.

Willson [mailto:cjwil-@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:27

AM To: 'Obra' Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB

rules?

 

You can download

OBRA rules including MTB rules and read them! They're on the OBRA site. ( <?/fontfamily>http://www.obra.org/forms/index.html ) <?fontfamily><?param Times> I've pasted some of the rules below and

the applicable rule 20.2.3 should appear in bold. It's worth noting that rule

changes are discussed at the OBRA annual meeting...which is February 11 this

year. I am sure, if anyone is interested in proposing a rule change, Candi or

Mike can tell them how to propose a change for the agenda. 20 -

MOUNTAIN BIKE RACING 20.1 - TYPES OF COMPETITION - Cross-country -An

individual or mass start competition which is held on a circuit course

comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails and unpaved dirt or gravel

roads (a minimal amount of paved road may be necessary). - Point-to-Point

- An individual or mass start competition held on a course from point A to

point B comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails and unpaved dirt or

gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road may be necessary). - Hill

Climb/Uphill -A competition of sustained climbing in which the finish line is

at a higher altitude than the start line. A hill climb may be a mass start

competition or a time trial. - Downhill - A time trial of sustained

descending occurring between a start line and a finish line which is located

at a lower altitude. Competitors typically depart the start line in timed

intervals (i.e. 30 or 60 seconds). - Dual Slalom - An event where two

competitors race head-to-head down two parallel slalom courses. The two

courses should be as close to identical as possible with an average time

differential of less than one second. - Stage Races - Events where

competitors are required to compete in a series of different events toward one

total overall score or time. A typical stage race might consist of an uphill,

a cross-country and a downhill time trial. This event determines the most

versatile rider and occurs over one or several days. Each stage has a winner.

Competitors must complete all stages with the finishing times or points

recorded after each event. The rider with the lowest accumulated total time or

the highest accumulated points at the end of all stages is the winner. A rider

may be rewarded for winning an individual stage with bonus seconds, which are

subtracted from the rider's overall time (referred to as General

Classification or G.C.). - Observed Trials - Events conducted over an

obstacle course including such natural hazards as mud, rocks, water, etc. and

can have any number of sections. The riders attempt to negotiate each section

without putting down a foot or hand(dab). Each dab (foot or hand) adds a point

to the rider's score. The rider with the lowest score wins the event. 20.2

- RACING REGULATIONS 20.2.1 All riders must attend the pre-race briefing

(riders' meeting) normally held at the staging area prior to the race start.

 20.2.2 Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse. 20.2.3 Racers shall complete the entire event (or

individual stage) on the same bicycle upon which the event was begun. All

repairs during an event shall be performed by the individual racer. No outside

support is permitted. All spare parts and tools shall be carried by the

individual racer. Cannibalizing: any part or component taken from one bicycle

to repair or improve the performance of another is not permitted.

 20.2.4 Shortcutting and/or cutting trail switchbacks may result

in disqualification. 20.2.5 Foul riding, un-sportsmanlike behavior or the

use of profane or abusive language are grounds for warning, relegation,

disqualification, fine or recommended membership suspension. The penalty

imposed shall be determined by the Race Official or the OBRA Administrative

Assistant. 20.2.6 Laws and ordinances of appropriate jurisdictions shall

be observed during participation in any event. 20.2.7 Only riders

officially entered in the event may practice or compete on the designated race

course and they must wear their number plate and number. 20.2..8

Infractions of rules, regulations and requirements specified or not

specifically defined may result in a warning, relegation, or disqualification.

 20.3 - CROSS-COUNTRY 20.3.1 Water

shall be available only in designated feed zone(s) as outlined by the Race

Director. The Race Director will provide a neutral water zone with water for

any race exceeding 90 minutes in length. Official water zones must be

accessible and publicized before each race. Feeding (food handouts) shall only

be done in a designated feed zone. A feed handout to one rider must not cause

other riders to slow down or veer off course. 20.3.2 Racers

riding bicycles have the right of way over racers pushing bicycles. When

practical, racers pushing should stay on the least rideable portion of the

path when being passed. A racer pushing or carrying his bicycle can overtake a

racer riding his bicycle provided he does not interfere with the rider's

progress. 20.3.3 Lapped riders must yield to leaders. Riders should voice

the command "Track" when overtaking another. It is the responsibility of the

challenging rider to overtake safely. You must yield to the passing rider on

the first command. 20.3.4 In the event two riders are vying for position,

the leading rider does not have to yield his position to the challenging

rider. However, a rider may not bodily interfere with the intent to impede

another rider's progress. 20.3.5 Traditional rules of racing apply: the

leading rider owns the track. <?/fontfamily>On Feb 1, 2005, at

10:08 AM, Chris Brandt wrote:

I know that OBRA

operates independently of USACycling and the UCI, but I thought it might be

helpful for those riders out there who race MTB to

know... Mechanical Support: The UCI has moved to allow the use

of "stock-it-yourself/do-it-yourself" pit areas for

mechanical assistance, meaning, you would no longer have to carry with you

every tool, tube, patch, tire, wheel, etc. during the race. This seems

to pertain to national championship level races, or races where

they select national team riders. I'm not making any value judgement

regarding this new policy, just wanted to bring up the topic for

discussion/clarification for OBRA riders. What is OBRA's stance on this

matter? 1.) Allow the use of the pits? 2.) Dis-allow the pits

and require the rider to carry everything necessary, as we have been doing

since the beginnings of our sport. Let's share in this discussion so

that we're all on the same page. Any ideas? Chris

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2005-02-02

The OBRA governance structure is representative. This dates back to before

there were mountain bikes. There are advantages to this type of structure

for an organization like OBRA. On the road side most riders are a member of

some club. This is good for several reasons and really helps with

organization and development of bike racing. Although there are also some

mountain bike clubs and most "road" clubs have several members that race

mountain bikes, the club structure is far less predominant on mountain bike

side. This is probably in part due to the more individualistic aspect of

mountain bike racing. It is also because the USCF in the past supported club

membership ("unattached" riders were charged extra fees and voting was, in

the past, representative) and NORBA never did. The sport would be improved

if there was more of a club structure. I think that it is in OBRA's best

interest to continue to encourage a club system.

There are a couple of solutions to make your voice heard:

1) Join an existing club. Even if the team is a "road" club this will allow

you to voice your concerns. Many clubs have very open structures and will

allow membership by anyone. There are no OBRA specifications as to how the

clubs select the representatives so generally if you are the one in the room

at the meeting it is you. If you are not that person but you have a point

of view to express make sure you figure out who that person is and talk to

them.

2) Form your own club. There are no requirements about how many members

there need to be in a club or, for that matter, how many clubs you can join.

Each club has to pay annual OBRA club membership. A weakness in the

structure is that it would be possible to form lots of clubs and buy any

vote (don't laugh ... this has happened with the USCF). I guess if it is

that important to you, go ahead.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----

From: Brian Baumann [mailto:brianf-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 07:36 AM

To: mike.m-@obra.org; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

"Modification of these rules may be made by vote of

the club

representatives, generally at an annual meeting.

Proposed rule changes

shall

be presented to OBRA in written form to be voted on by

the club

representatives. "

At the risk of sounding stupid, who are the "club representatives" that make

decicions on the mtb side of the race scene? How does a person have input

into the process if he/she cannot attend the once a year meeting? Thanks,

Brian

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cmur-@obra.org

2005-02-02

The way the goverence of OBRA is structured. Registered clubs vote on

proposed rule changes. Each club has a desingated rep. But any rider can

propose a rule change. If you are interested in doing so then out it in

writing and submit it and we will discuss it and vote upon it. The annual

meeting is next Friday, Feb 11

Candi

-----Original Message-----

From: Brian Baumann [mailto:brianf-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 7:36 AM

To: mike.m-@obra.org; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

"Modification of these rules may be made by vote of

the club

representatives, generally at an annual meeting.

Proposed rule changes

shall

be presented to OBRA in written form to be voted on by

the club

representatives. "

At the risk of sounding stupid, who are the "club representatives" that make

decicions on the mtb side of the race scene? How does a person have input

into the process if he/she cannot attend the once a year meeting? Thanks,

Brian

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2005-02-02

"Modification of these rules may be made by vote of

the club

representatives, generally at an annual meeting.

Proposed rule changes

shall

be presented to OBRA in written form to be voted on by

the club

representatives. "

At the risk of sounding stupid, who are the "club

representatives" that make decicions on the mtb side

of the race scene? How does a person have input into

the process if he/she cannot attend the once a year

meeting?

Thanks,

Brian

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2005-02-01

Although the discussion about mountain bike support on this list has been

interesting and is probably useful, the mechanism for changing the OBRA

rules is:

"Modification of these rules may be made by vote of the club

representatives, generally at an annual meeting. Proposed rule changes shall

be presented to OBRA in written form to be voted on by the club

representatives. "

In other words, opinions stated on this list will remain just opinions and

will not be changed into rules unless someone presents a rule change

proposal. The annual meeting is coming up on 2/11. Absent a special vote,

if someone does not present a proposed rule change at that meeting the OBRA

rules will stay the same. If someone does present a proposed rule change it

will be debated at the meeting and either excepted or rejected.

In addition to rule changes we will be electing 2 board members, presenting

financial information about last year and planning programs for this coming

year. If you have opinions about OBRA programs, rules, etc. it is important

that you are represented at this meeting.

Mike

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Regarding the Cascade Cream Puff and 12-Hours of Willamette, I read the

section addressing ULTRA-ENDURANCE races. It limits mechanical support

to wheel changes. I believe that Don's (CCP) rules have been that you

cannot change frames, but other changes/repairs are okay. Perhaps some

additional consideration/discussion is needed regarding these types of

races.

-Brian L.

-----Original Message-----

From: Cheryl J. Willson [mailto:cjwil-@mindspring.com]

Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:27 AM

To: 'Obra'

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

You can download OBRA rules including MTB rules and read them! They're

on the OBRA site. ( http://www.obra.org/forms/index.html )

I've pasted some of the rules below and the applicable rule 20.2.3

should appear in bold. It's worth noting that rule changes are discussed

at the OBRA annual meeting...which is February 11 this year. I am sure,

if anyone is interested in proposing a rule change, Candi or Mike can

tell them how to propose a change for the agenda.

20 - MOUNTAIN BIKE RACING

20.1 - TYPES OF COMPETITION

- Cross-country -An individual or mass start competition which is held

on a circuit course comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails

and unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road may be

necessary).

- Point-to-Point - An individual or mass start competition held on a

course from point A to point B comprised of forest roads, forest or

field trails and unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved

road may be necessary).

- Hill Climb/Uphill -A competition of sustained climbing in which the

finish line is at a higher altitude than the start line. A hill climb

may be a mass start competition or a time trial.

- Downhill - A time trial of sustained descending occurring between a

start line and a finish line which is located at a lower altitude.

Competitors typically depart the start line in timed intervals (i.e. 30

or 60 seconds).

- Dual Slalom - An event where two competitors race head-to-head down

two parallel slalom courses. The two courses should be as close to

identical as possible with an average time differential of less than one

second.

- Stage Races - Events where competitors are required to compete in a

series of different events toward one total overall score or time. A

typical stage race might consist of an uphill, a cross-country and a

downhill time trial. This event determines the most versatile rider and

occurs over one or several days. Each stage has a winner. Competitors

must complete all stages with the finishing times or points recorded

after each event. The rider with the lowest accumulated total time or

the highest accumulated points at the end of all stages is the winner. A

rider may be rewarded for winning an individual stage with bonus

seconds, which are subtracted from the rider's overall time (referred to

as General Classification or G.C.).

- Observed Trials - Events conducted over an obstacle course including

such natural hazards as mud, rocks, water, etc. and can have any number

of sections. The riders attempt to negotiate each section without

putting down a foot or hand(dab). Each dab (foot or hand) adds a point

to the rider's score. The rider with the lowest score wins the event.

20.2 - RACING REGULATIONS

20.2.1 All riders must attend the pre-race briefing (riders' meeting)

normally held at the staging area prior to the race start.

20.2.2 Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse.

20.2.3 Racers shall complete the entire event (or individual stage) on

the same bicycle upon which the event was begun. All repairs during an

event shall be performed by the individual racer. No outside support is

permitted. All spare parts and tools shall be carried by the individual

racer. Cannibalizing: any part or component taken from one bicycle to

repair or improve the performance of another is not permitted.

20.2.4 Shortcutting and/or cutting trail switchbacks may result in

disqualification.

20.2.5 Foul riding, un-sportsmanlike behavior or the use of profane or

abusive language are grounds for warning, relegation, disqualification,

fine or recommended membership suspension. The penalty imposed shall be

determined by the Race Official or the OBRA Administrative Assistant.

20.2.6 Laws and ordinances of appropriate jurisdictions shall be

observed during participation in any event.

20.2.7 Only riders officially entered in the event may practice or

compete on the designated race course and they must wear their number

plate and number.

20.2..8 Infractions of rules, regulations and requirements specified or

not specifically defined may result in a warning, relegation, or

disqualification.

20.3 - CROSS-COUNTRY

20.3.1 Water shall be available only in designated feed zone(s) as

outlined by the Race Director. The Race Director will provide a neutral

water zone with water for any race exceeding 90 minutes in length.

Official water zones must be accessible and publicized before each race.

Feeding (food handouts) shall only be done in a designated feed zone. A

feed handout to one rider must not cause other riders to slow down or

veer off course.

20.3.2 Racers riding bicycles have the right of way over racers pushing

bicycles. When practical, racers pushing should stay on the least

rideable portion of the path when being passed. A racer pushing or

carrying his bicycle can overtake a racer riding his bicycle provided he

does not interfere with the rider's progress.

20.3.3 Lapped riders must yield to leaders. Riders should voice the

command "Track" when overtaking another. It is the responsibility of the

challenging rider to overtake safely. You must yield to the passing

rider on the first command.

20.3.4 In the event two riders are vying for position, the leading rider

does not have to yield his position to the challenging rider. However, a

rider may not bodily interfere with the intent to impede another rider's

progress.

20.3.5 Traditional rules of racing apply: the leading rider owns the

track.

On Feb 1, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Chris Brandt wrote:

I know that OBRA operates independently of USACycling and the UCI, but

I thought it might be helpful for those riders out there who race MTB

to know...

Mechanical Support:

The UCI has moved to allow the use of

"stock-it-yourself/do-it-yourself" pit areas for mechanical

assistance, meaning, you would no longer have to carry with you every

tool, tube, patch, tire, wheel, etc. during the race. This seems to

pertain to national championship level races, or races where they

select national team riders.

I'm not making any value judgement regarding this new policy, just

wanted to bring up the topic for discussion/clarification for OBRA

riders. What is OBRA's stance on this matter?

1.) Allow the use of the pits?

2.) Dis-allow the pits and require the rider to carry everything

necessary, as we have been doing since the beginnings of our sport.

Let's share in this discussion so that we're all on the same page. Any

ideas?

Chris Brandt

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<?fontfamily><?param Times>Regarding the

Cascade Cream Puff and 12-Hours of Willamette, I read the section addressing ULTRA-ENDURANCE races. It

limits mechanical support to wheel changes. I believe that Don’s (CCP)

rules have been that you cannot change frames, but other changes/repairs are okay.

Perhaps some additional consideration/discussion is needed regarding these

types of races.

 

-Brian L.

 

-----Original Message----- 

From: Cheryl J. Willson

[mailto:cjwil-@mindspring.com] 

Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005

10:27 AM 

To: 'Obra' 

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB

rules?

 

You

can download OBRA rules including MTB rules and read them! They're on the OBRA

site. ( <?/fontfamily>http://www.obra.org/forms/index.html ) 

<?fontfamily><?param Times> 

I've pasted some of the rules below and the applicable rule 20.2.3 should

appear in bold. It's worth noting that rule changes are discussed at the OBRA

annual meeting...which is February 11 this year. I am sure, if anyone is

interested in proposing a rule change, Candi or Mike can tell them how to

propose a change for the agenda. 

 

 

20 - MOUNTAIN BIKE RACING 

20.1 - TYPES OF COMPETITION 

- Cross-country -An individual or mass start competition which is held on a

circuit course comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails and unpaved

dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road may be necessary). 

- Point-to-Point - An individual or mass start competition held on a course

from point A to point B comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails and

unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road may be necessary).

 

- Hill Climb/Uphill -A competition of sustained climbing in which the finish

line is at a higher altitude than the start line. A hill climb may be a mass

start competition or a time trial. 

- Downhill - A time trial of sustained descending occurring between a start

line and a finish line which is located at a lower altitude. Competitors

typically depart the start line in timed intervals (i.e. 30 or 60 seconds). 

- Dual Slalom - An event where two competitors race head-to-head down two

parallel slalom courses. The two courses should be as close to identical as

possible with an average time differential of less than one second. 

- Stage Races - Events where competitors are required to compete in a series of

different events toward one total overall score or time. A typical stage race

might consist of an uphill, a cross-country and a downhill time trial. This

event determines the most versatile rider and occurs over one or several days.

Each stage has a winner. Competitors must complete all stages with the

finishing times or points recorded after each event. The rider with the lowest

accumulated total time or the highest accumulated points at the end of all

stages is the winner. A rider may be rewarded for winning an individual stage

with bonus seconds, which are subtracted from the rider's overall time

(referred to as General Classification or G.C.). 

- Observed Trials - Events conducted over an obstacle course including such

natural hazards as mud, rocks, water, etc. and can have any number of sections.

The riders attempt to negotiate each section without putting down a foot or

hand(dab). Each dab (foot or hand) adds a point to the rider's score. The rider

with the lowest score wins the event. 

20.2 - RACING REGULATIONS 

20.2.1 All riders must attend the pre-race briefing (riders' meeting) normally

held at the staging area prior to the race start. 

20.2.2 Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse. 

20.2.3 Racers shall complete the entire event

(or individual stage) on the same bicycle upon which the event was begun. All

repairs during an event shall be performed by the individual racer. No outside

support is permitted. All spare parts and tools shall be carried by the

individual racer. Cannibalizing: any part or component taken from one bicycle

to repair or improve the performance of another is not permitted. 

20.2.4 Shortcutting and/or cutting trail switchbacks may result in

disqualification. 

20.2.5 Foul riding, un-sportsmanlike behavior or the use of profane or abusive

language are grounds for warning, relegation, disqualification, fine or

recommended membership suspension. The penalty imposed shall be determined by

the Race Official or the OBRA Administrative Assistant. 

20.2.6 Laws and ordinances of appropriate jurisdictions shall be observed

during participation in any event. 

20.2.7 Only riders officially entered in the event may practice or compete on

the designated race course and they must wear their number plate and number. 

20.2..8 Infractions of rules, regulations and requirements specified or not

specifically defined may result in a warning, relegation, or disqualification. 

20.3 - CROSS-COUNTRY 

20.3.1 Water shall be available only in

designated feed zone(s) as outlined by the Race Director. The Race Director

will provide a neutral water zone with water for any race exceeding 90 minutes

in length. Official water zones must be accessible and publicized before each

race. Feeding (food handouts) shall only be done in a designated feed zone. A

feed handout to one rider must not cause other riders to slow down or veer off

course. 

20.3.2 Racers riding bicycles have the right of way over racers pushing

bicycles. When practical, racers pushing should stay on the least rideable

portion of the path when being passed. A racer pushing or carrying his bicycle

can overtake a racer riding his bicycle provided he does not interfere with the

rider's progress. 

20.3.3 Lapped riders must yield to leaders. Riders should voice the command

"Track" when overtaking another. It is the responsibility of the

challenging rider to overtake safely. You must yield to the passing rider on

the first command. 

20.3.4 In the event two riders are vying for position, the leading rider does

not have to yield his position to the challenging rider. However, a rider may

not bodily interfere with the intent to impede another rider's progress. 

20.3.5 Traditional rules of racing apply: the leading rider owns the track. 

 

 

 

<?/fontfamily>On Feb 1, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Chris Brandt wrote:

I know

that OBRA operates independently of USACycling and the UCI, but 

I thought it might be helpful for those riders out there who race MTB 

to know... 

 

Mechanical Support: 

The UCI has moved to allow the use of 

"stock-it-yourself/do-it-yourself" pit areas for mechanical 

assistance, meaning, you would no longer have to carry with you every 

tool, tube, patch, tire, wheel, etc. during the race. This seems to 

pertain to national championship level races, or races where they 

select national team riders. 

 

I'm not making any value judgement regarding this new policy, just 

wanted to bring up the topic for discussion/clarification for OBRA 

riders. What is OBRA's stance on this matter? 

 

1.) Allow the use of the pits? 

 

2.) Dis-allow the pits and require the rider to carry everything 

necessary, as we have been doing since the beginnings of our sport. 

 

Let's share in this discussion so that we're all on the same page. Any ideas? 

 

Chris Brandt

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Bryan Melton

2005-02-01

In an effort to not make things confusing to those racing elsewhere, we

should consider following the UCI, NORBA rules.

-----Original Message-----

From: Steven B [mailto:steve-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 12:49 PM

To: t.hoff-@verizon.net; cjwil-@mindspring.com; ob-@topica.com;

BBenn-@aol.com; gfg-@seekhealth.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

Spare bikes are not allowed under the new UCI rules,

just wheels, parts, etc.

I agree with Thomas, leave as-is for OBRA.

sb

--- Thomas Hoffman <t.hoff-@verizon.net> wrote:

I vote for leaving things alone. If a rider wants to

race with three bikes

and spare parts parked in a pit, direct him to the

Cross Season calendar.

If we allow for pits some rich doctor from Southern

Oregon will figure out

that he could park his Super Light climbing bike at

the bottom of the hill,

And his Super speedy Duel suspension at the top, and

pay his brother to make

sure the right bike is at the right place, at the

right time. All in the

pursuit of a shiny medal and bragging rights at

dinner.

Considering how competitive the Master Experts are

becoming, don't think Dr

Bennett and Dr Gumar wouldn't try it!

Thomas Hoffman

RE/MAX equity group

1975 NW 167th Place #100

Beaverton, OR 97006

503-495-5607 direct

www.tomshometeam.com

_____

From: Cheryl J. Willson

[mailto:cjwil-@mindspring.com]

Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:27 AM

To: 'Obra'

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

You can download OBRA rules including MTB rules and

read them! They're on

the OBRA site. (

http://www.obra.org/forms/index.html )

I've pasted some of the rules below and the

applicable rule 20.2.3 should

appear in bold. It's worth noting that rule changes

are discussed at the

OBRA annual meeting...which is February 11 this

year. I am sure, if anyone

is interested in proposing a rule change, Candi or

Mike can tell them how to

propose a change for the agenda.

20 - MOUNTAIN BIKE RACING

20.1 - TYPES OF COMPETITION

- Cross-country -An individual or mass start

competition which is held on a

circuit course comprised of forest roads, forest or

field trails and unpaved

dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road

may be necessary).

- Point-to-Point - An individual or mass start

competition held on a course

from point A to point B comprised of forest roads,

forest or field trails

and unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount

of paved road may be

necessary).

- Hill Climb/Uphill -A competition of sustained

climbing in which the finish

line is at a higher altitude than the start line. A

hill climb may be a mass

start competition or a time trial.

- Downhill - A time trial of sustained descending

occurring between a start

line and a finish line which is located at a lower

altitude. Competitors

typically depart the start line in timed intervals

(i.e. 30 or 60 seconds).

- Dual Slalom - An event where two competitors race

head-to-head down two

parallel slalom courses. The two courses should be

as close to identical as

possible with an average time differential of less

than one second.

- Stage Races - Events where competitors are

required to compete in a series

of different events toward one total overall score

or time. A typical stage

race might consist of an uphill, a cross-country and

a downhill time trial.

This event determines the most versatile rider and

occurs over one or

several days. Each stage has a winner. Competitors

must complete all stages

with the finishing times or points recorded after

each event. The rider with

the lowest accumulated total time or the highest

accumulated points at the

end of all stages is the winner. A rider may be

rewarded for winning an

individual stage with bonus seconds, which are

subtracted from the rider's

overall time (referred to as General Classification

or G.C.).

- Observed Trials - Events conducted over an

obstacle course including such

natural hazards as mud, rocks, water, etc. and can

have any number of

sections. The riders attempt to negotiate each

section without putting down

a foot or hand(dab). Each dab (foot or hand) adds a

point to the rider's

score. The rider with the lowest score wins the

event.

20.2 - RACING REGULATIONS

20.2.1 All riders must attend the pre-race briefing

(riders' meeting)

normally held at the staging area prior to the race

start.

20.2.2 Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse.

20.2.3 Racers shall complete the entire event (or

individual stage) on the

same bicycle upon which the event was begun. All

repairs during an event

shall be performed by the individual racer. No

outside support is permitted.

All spare parts and tools shall be carried by the

individual racer.

Cannibalizing: any part or component taken from one

bicycle to repair or

improve the performance of another is not permitted.

20.2.4 Shortcutting and/or cutting trail switchbacks

may result in

disqualification.

20.2.5 Foul riding, un-sportsmanlike behavior or the

use of profane or

abusive language are grounds for warning,

relegation, disqualification, fine

or recommended membership suspension. The penalty

imposed shall be

determined by the Race Official or the OBRA

Administrative Assistant.

20.2.6 Laws and ordinances of appropriate

jurisdictions shall be observed

during participation in any event.

20.2.7 Only riders officially entered in the event

may practice or compete

on the designated race course and they must wear

their number plate and

number.

20.2..8 Infractions of rules, regulations and

requirements specified or not

specifically defined may result in a warning,

relegation, or

disqualification.

20.3 - CROSS-COUNTRY

20.3.1 Water shall be available only in designated

feed zone(s) as outlined

by the Race Director. The Race Director will provide

a neutral water zone

with water for any race exceeding 90 minutes in

length. Official water zones

must be accessible and publicized before each race.

Feeding (food handouts)

shall only be done in a designated feed zone. A feed

handout to one rider

must not cause other riders to slow down or veer off

course.

20.3.2 Racers riding bicycles have the right of way

over racers pushing

bicycles. When practical, racers pushing should stay

on the least rideable

portion of the path when being passed. A racer

pushing or carrying his

bicycle can overtake a racer riding his bicycle

provided he does not

interfere with the rider's progress.

20.3.3 Lapped riders must yield to leaders. Riders

should voice the command

"Track" when overtaking another. It is the

responsibility of the challenging

rider to overtake safely. You must yield to the

passing rider on the first

command.

20.3.4 In the event two riders are vying for

position, the leading rider

does not have to yield his position to the

challenging rider. However, a

rider may not bodily interfere with the intent to

impede another rider's

progress.

20.3.5 Traditional rules of racing apply: the

leading rider owns the track.

On Feb 1, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Chris Brandt wrote:

I know that OBRA operates independently of

USACycling and the UCI, but

I thought it might be helpful for those riders out

there who race MTB

to know...

Mechanical Support:

The UCI has moved to allow the use of

"stock-it-yourself/do-it-yourself" pit areas for

mechanical

assistance, meaning, you would no longer have to

carry with you every

tool, tube, patch, tire, wheel, etc. during the

race. This seems to

pertain to national championship level races, or

races where they

select national team riders.

I'm not making any value judgement regarding this

new policy, just

wanted to bring up the topic for

discussion/clarification for OBRA

riders. What is OBRA's stance on this matter?

1.) Allow the use of the pits?

2.) Dis-allow the pits and require the rider to

carry everything

necessary, as we have been doing since the

beginnings of our sport.

Let's share in this discussion so that we're all on

the same page. Any

ideas?

Chris Brandt

To respond to the whole group send to

ob-@topica.com.

To respond to the list manager send to

cmur-@obra.org

To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com

__________________________________

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Steven B

2005-02-01

Spare bikes are not allowed under the new UCI rules,

just wheels, parts, etc.

I agree with Thomas, leave as-is for OBRA.

sb

--- Thomas Hoffman <t.hoff-@verizon.net> wrote:

I vote for leaving things alone. If a rider wants to

race with three bikes

and spare parts parked in a pit, direct him to the

Cross Season calendar.

If we allow for pits some rich doctor from Southern

Oregon will figure out

that he could park his Super Light climbing bike at

the bottom of the hill,

And his Super speedy Duel suspension at the top, and

pay his brother to make

sure the right bike is at the right place, at the

right time. All in the

pursuit of a shiny medal and bragging rights at

dinner.

Considering how competitive the Master Experts are

becoming, don't think Dr

Bennett and Dr Gumar wouldn't try it!

Thomas Hoffman

RE/MAX equity group

1975 NW 167th Place #100

Beaverton, OR 97006

503-495-5607 direct

www.tomshometeam.com

_____

From: Cheryl J. Willson

[mailto:cjwil-@mindspring.com]

Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:27 AM

To: 'Obra'

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

You can download OBRA rules including MTB rules and

read them! They're on

the OBRA site. (

http://www.obra.org/forms/index.html )

I've pasted some of the rules below and the

applicable rule 20.2.3 should

appear in bold. It's worth noting that rule changes

are discussed at the

OBRA annual meeting...which is February 11 this

year. I am sure, if anyone

is interested in proposing a rule change, Candi or

Mike can tell them how to

propose a change for the agenda.

20 - MOUNTAIN BIKE RACING

20.1 - TYPES OF COMPETITION

- Cross-country -An individual or mass start

competition which is held on a

circuit course comprised of forest roads, forest or

field trails and unpaved

dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road

may be necessary).

- Point-to-Point - An individual or mass start

competition held on a course

from point A to point B comprised of forest roads,

forest or field trails

and unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount

of paved road may be

necessary).

- Hill Climb/Uphill -A competition of sustained

climbing in which the finish

line is at a higher altitude than the start line. A

hill climb may be a mass

start competition or a time trial.

- Downhill - A time trial of sustained descending

occurring between a start

line and a finish line which is located at a lower

altitude. Competitors

typically depart the start line in timed intervals

(i.e. 30 or 60 seconds).

- Dual Slalom - An event where two competitors race

head-to-head down two

parallel slalom courses. The two courses should be

as close to identical as

possible with an average time differential of less

than one second.

- Stage Races - Events where competitors are

required to compete in a series

of different events toward one total overall score

or time. A typical stage

race might consist of an uphill, a cross-country and

a downhill time trial.

This event determines the most versatile rider and

occurs over one or

several days. Each stage has a winner. Competitors

must complete all stages

with the finishing times or points recorded after

each event. The rider with

the lowest accumulated total time or the highest

accumulated points at the

end of all stages is the winner. A rider may be

rewarded for winning an

individual stage with bonus seconds, which are

subtracted from the rider's

overall time (referred to as General Classification

or G.C.).

- Observed Trials - Events conducted over an

obstacle course including such

natural hazards as mud, rocks, water, etc. and can

have any number of

sections. The riders attempt to negotiate each

section without putting down

a foot or hand(dab). Each dab (foot or hand) adds a

point to the rider's

score. The rider with the lowest score wins the

event.

20.2 - RACING REGULATIONS

20.2.1 All riders must attend the pre-race briefing

(riders' meeting)

normally held at the staging area prior to the race

start.

20.2.2 Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse.

20.2.3 Racers shall complete the entire event (or

individual stage) on the

same bicycle upon which the event was begun. All

repairs during an event

shall be performed by the individual racer. No

outside support is permitted.

All spare parts and tools shall be carried by the

individual racer.

Cannibalizing: any part or component taken from one

bicycle to repair or

improve the performance of another is not permitted.

20.2.4 Shortcutting and/or cutting trail switchbacks

may result in

disqualification.

20.2.5 Foul riding, un-sportsmanlike behavior or the

use of profane or

abusive language are grounds for warning,

relegation, disqualification, fine

or recommended membership suspension. The penalty

imposed shall be

determined by the Race Official or the OBRA

Administrative Assistant.

20.2.6 Laws and ordinances of appropriate

jurisdictions shall be observed

during participation in any event.

20.2.7 Only riders officially entered in the event

may practice or compete

on the designated race course and they must wear

their number plate and

number.

20.2..8 Infractions of rules, regulations and

requirements specified or not

specifically defined may result in a warning,

relegation, or

disqualification.

20.3 - CROSS-COUNTRY

20.3.1 Water shall be available only in designated

feed zone(s) as outlined

by the Race Director. The Race Director will provide

a neutral water zone

with water for any race exceeding 90 minutes in

length. Official water zones

must be accessible and publicized before each race.

Feeding (food handouts)

shall only be done in a designated feed zone. A feed

handout to one rider

must not cause other riders to slow down or veer off

course.

20.3.2 Racers riding bicycles have the right of way

over racers pushing

bicycles. When practical, racers pushing should stay

on the least rideable

portion of the path when being passed. A racer

pushing or carrying his

bicycle can overtake a racer riding his bicycle

provided he does not

interfere with the rider's progress.

20.3.3 Lapped riders must yield to leaders. Riders

should voice the command

"Track" when overtaking another. It is the

responsibility of the challenging

rider to overtake safely. You must yield to the

passing rider on the first

command.

20.3.4 In the event two riders are vying for

position, the leading rider

does not have to yield his position to the

challenging rider. However, a

rider may not bodily interfere with the intent to

impede another rider's

progress.

20.3.5 Traditional rules of racing apply: the

leading rider owns the track.

On Feb 1, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Chris Brandt wrote:

I know that OBRA operates independently of

USACycling and the UCI, but

I thought it might be helpful for those riders out

there who race MTB

to know...

Mechanical Support:

The UCI has moved to allow the use of

"stock-it-yourself/do-it-yourself" pit areas for

mechanical

assistance, meaning, you would no longer have to

carry with you every

tool, tube, patch, tire, wheel, etc. during the

race. This seems to

pertain to national championship level races, or

races where they

select national team riders.

I'm not making any value judgement regarding this

new policy, just

wanted to bring up the topic for

discussion/clarification for OBRA

riders. What is OBRA's stance on this matter?

1.) Allow the use of the pits?

2.) Dis-allow the pits and require the rider to

carry everything

necessary, as we have been doing since the

beginnings of our sport.

Let's share in this discussion so that we're all on

the same page. Any

ideas?

Chris Brandt

To respond to the whole group send to

ob-@topica.com.

To respond to the list manager send to

cmur-@obra.org

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I vote for leaving things alone. If a rider wants to race with three bikes

and spare parts parked in a pit, direct him to the Cross Season calendar.

If we allow for pits some rich doctor from Southern Oregon will figure out

that he could park his Super Light climbing bike at the bottom of the hill,

And his Super speedy Duel suspension at the top, and pay his brother to make

sure the right bike is at the right place, at the right time. All in the

pursuit of a shiny medal and bragging rights at dinner.

Considering how competitive the Master Experts are becoming, don't think Dr

Bennett and Dr Gumar wouldn't try it!

Thomas Hoffman

RE/MAX equity group

1975 NW 167th Place #100

Beaverton, OR 97006

503-495-5607 direct

www.tomshometeam.com

_____

From: Cheryl J. Willson [mailto:cjwil-@mindspring.com]

Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:27 AM

To: 'Obra'

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB rules?

You can download OBRA rules including MTB rules and read them! They're on

the OBRA site. ( http://www.obra.org/forms/index.html )

I've pasted some of the rules below and the applicable rule 20.2.3 should

appear in bold. It's worth noting that rule changes are discussed at the

OBRA annual meeting...which is February 11 this year. I am sure, if anyone

is interested in proposing a rule change, Candi or Mike can tell them how to

propose a change for the agenda.

20 - MOUNTAIN BIKE RACING

20.1 - TYPES OF COMPETITION

- Cross-country -An individual or mass start competition which is held on a

circuit course comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails and unpaved

dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road may be necessary).

- Point-to-Point - An individual or mass start competition held on a course

from point A to point B comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails

and unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road may be

necessary).

- Hill Climb/Uphill -A competition of sustained climbing in which the finish

line is at a higher altitude than the start line. A hill climb may be a mass

start competition or a time trial.

- Downhill - A time trial of sustained descending occurring between a start

line and a finish line which is located at a lower altitude. Competitors

typically depart the start line in timed intervals (i.e. 30 or 60 seconds).

- Dual Slalom - An event where two competitors race head-to-head down two

parallel slalom courses. The two courses should be as close to identical as

possible with an average time differential of less than one second.

- Stage Races - Events where competitors are required to compete in a series

of different events toward one total overall score or time. A typical stage

race might consist of an uphill, a cross-country and a downhill time trial.

This event determines the most versatile rider and occurs over one or

several days. Each stage has a winner. Competitors must complete all stages

with the finishing times or points recorded after each event. The rider with

the lowest accumulated total time or the highest accumulated points at the

end of all stages is the winner. A rider may be rewarded for winning an

individual stage with bonus seconds, which are subtracted from the rider's

overall time (referred to as General Classification or G.C.).

- Observed Trials - Events conducted over an obstacle course including such

natural hazards as mud, rocks, water, etc. and can have any number of

sections. The riders attempt to negotiate each section without putting down

a foot or hand(dab). Each dab (foot or hand) adds a point to the rider's

score. The rider with the lowest score wins the event.

20.2 - RACING REGULATIONS

20.2.1 All riders must attend the pre-race briefing (riders' meeting)

normally held at the staging area prior to the race start.

20.2.2 Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse.

20.2.3 Racers shall complete the entire event (or individual stage) on the

same bicycle upon which the event was begun. All repairs during an event

shall be performed by the individual racer. No outside support is permitted.

All spare parts and tools shall be carried by the individual racer.

Cannibalizing: any part or component taken from one bicycle to repair or

improve the performance of another is not permitted.

20.2.4 Shortcutting and/or cutting trail switchbacks may result in

disqualification.

20.2.5 Foul riding, un-sportsmanlike behavior or the use of profane or

abusive language are grounds for warning, relegation, disqualification, fine

or recommended membership suspension. The penalty imposed shall be

determined by the Race Official or the OBRA Administrative Assistant.

20.2.6 Laws and ordinances of appropriate jurisdictions shall be observed

during participation in any event.

20.2.7 Only riders officially entered in the event may practice or compete

on the designated race course and they must wear their number plate and

number.

20.2..8 Infractions of rules, regulations and requirements specified or not

specifically defined may result in a warning, relegation, or

disqualification.

20.3 - CROSS-COUNTRY

20.3.1 Water shall be available only in designated feed zone(s) as outlined

by the Race Director. The Race Director will provide a neutral water zone

with water for any race exceeding 90 minutes in length. Official water zones

must be accessible and publicized before each race. Feeding (food handouts)

shall only be done in a designated feed zone. A feed handout to one rider

must not cause other riders to slow down or veer off course.

20.3.2 Racers riding bicycles have the right of way over racers pushing

bicycles. When practical, racers pushing should stay on the least rideable

portion of the path when being passed. A racer pushing or carrying his

bicycle can overtake a racer riding his bicycle provided he does not

interfere with the rider's progress.

20.3.3 Lapped riders must yield to leaders. Riders should voice the command

"Track" when overtaking another. It is the responsibility of the challenging

rider to overtake safely. You must yield to the passing rider on the first

command.

20.3.4 In the event two riders are vying for position, the leading rider

does not have to yield his position to the challenging rider. However, a

rider may not bodily interfere with the intent to impede another rider's

progress.

20.3.5 Traditional rules of racing apply: the leading rider owns the track.

On Feb 1, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Chris Brandt wrote:

I know that OBRA operates independently of USACycling and the UCI, but

I thought it might be helpful for those riders out there who race MTB

to know...

Mechanical Support:

The UCI has moved to allow the use of

"stock-it-yourself/do-it-yourself" pit areas for mechanical

assistance, meaning, you would no longer have to carry with you every

tool, tube, patch, tire, wheel, etc. during the race. This seems to

pertain to national championship level races, or races where they

select national team riders.

I'm not making any value judgement regarding this new policy, just

wanted to bring up the topic for discussion/clarification for OBRA

riders. What is OBRA's stance on this matter?

1.) Allow the use of the pits?

2.) Dis-allow the pits and require the rider to carry everything

necessary, as we have been doing since the beginnings of our sport.

Let's share in this discussion so that we're all on the same page. Any

ideas?

Chris Brandt

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If we allow for pits some rich doctor from

Southern Oregon will figure out that he could park his Super Light climbing

bike at the bottom of the hill,<o:p></o:p>

And his Super speedy Duel suspension at

the top, and pay his brother to make sure the right bike is at the right place,

at the right time. All in the pursuit of a shiny medal and bragging rights at

dinner.<o:p></o:p>

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Considering how competitive the Master

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try it!<o:p></o:p>

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Thomas Hoffman<o:p></o:p>

RE/MAX equity group<o:p></o:p>

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Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005

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To: 'Obra' 

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] MTB

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I've pasted some of the rules below and the applicable rule 20.2.3 should

appear in bold. It's worth noting that rule changes are discussed at the OBRA

annual meeting...which is February 11 this year. I am sure, if anyone is

interested in proposing a rule change, Candi or Mike can tell them how to

propose a change for the agenda. 

 

 

20 - MOUNTAIN BIKE RACING 

20.1 - TYPES OF COMPETITION 

- Cross-country -An individual or mass start competition which is held on a

circuit course comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails and unpaved

dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road may be necessary). 

- Point-to-Point - An individual or mass start competition held on a course

from point A to point B comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails and

unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road may be necessary).

 

- Hill Climb/Uphill -A competition of sustained climbing in which the finish

line is at a higher altitude than the start line. A hill climb may be a mass

start competition or a time trial. 

- Downhill - A time trial of sustained descending occurring between a start

line and a finish line which is located at a lower altitude. Competitors

typically depart the start line in timed intervals (i.e. 30 or 60 seconds). 

- Dual Slalom - An event where two competitors race head-to-head down two

parallel slalom courses. The two courses should be as close to identical as

possible with an average time differential of less than one second. 

- Stage Races - Events where competitors are required to compete in a series of

different events toward one total overall score or time. A typical stage race

might consist of an uphill, a cross-country and a downhill time trial. This

event determines the most versatile rider and occurs over one or several days.

Each stage has a winner. Competitors must complete all stages with the

finishing times or points recorded after each event. The rider with the lowest

accumulated total time or the highest accumulated points at the end of all

stages is the winner. A rider may be rewarded for winning an individual stage

with bonus seconds, which are subtracted from the rider's overall time

(referred to as General Classification or G.C.). 

- Observed Trials - Events conducted over an obstacle course including such

natural hazards as mud, rocks, water, etc. and can have any number of sections.

The riders attempt to negotiate each section without putting down a foot or

hand(dab). Each dab (foot or hand) adds a point to the rider's score. The rider

with the lowest score wins the event. 

20.2 - RACING REGULATIONS 

20.2.1 All riders must attend the pre-race briefing (riders' meeting) normally

held at the staging area prior to the race start. 

20.2.2 Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse. 

20.2.3 Racers shall complete the entire event

(or individual stage) on the same bicycle upon which the event was begun. All repairs

during an event shall be performed by the individual racer. No outside support

is permitted. All spare parts and tools shall be carried by the individual

racer. Cannibalizing: any part or component taken from one bicycle to repair or

improve the performance of another is not permitted. 

20.2.4 Shortcutting and/or cutting trail switchbacks may result in

disqualification. 

20.2.5 Foul riding, un-sportsmanlike behavior or the use of profane or abusive

language are grounds for warning, relegation, disqualification, fine or

recommended membership suspension. The penalty imposed shall be determined by

the Race Official or the OBRA Administrative Assistant. 

20.2.6 Laws and ordinances of appropriate jurisdictions shall be observed

during participation in any event. 

20.2.7 Only riders officially entered in the event may practice or compete on

the designated race course and they must wear their number plate and number. 

20.2..8 Infractions of rules, regulations and requirements specified or not

specifically defined may result in a warning, relegation, or disqualification. 

20.3 - CROSS-COUNTRY 

20.3.1 Water shall be available only in

designated feed zone(s) as outlined by the Race Director. The Race Director

will provide a neutral water zone with water for any race exceeding 90 minutes

in length. Official water zones must be accessible and publicized before each

race. Feeding (food handouts) shall only be done in a designated feed zone. A

feed handout to one rider must not cause other riders to slow down or veer off

course. 

20.3.2 Racers riding bicycles have the right of way over racers pushing

bicycles. When practical, racers pushing should stay on the least rideable

portion of the path when being passed. A racer pushing or carrying his bicycle

can overtake a racer riding his bicycle provided he does not interfere with the

rider's progress. 

20.3.3 Lapped riders must yield to leaders. Riders should voice the command

"Track" when overtaking another. It is the responsibility of the

challenging rider to overtake safely. You must yield to the passing rider on

the first command. 

20.3.4 In the event two riders are vying for position, the leading rider does

not have to yield his position to the challenging rider. However, a rider may

not bodily interfere with the intent to impede another rider's progress. 

20.3.5 Traditional rules of racing apply: the leading rider owns the track. 

 

 

 

<?/fontfamily>On Feb 1, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Chris Brandt wrote:<o:p></o:p>

I know that OBRA operates

independently of USACycling and the UCI, but 

I thought it might be helpful for those riders out there who race MTB 

to know... 

 

Mechanical Support: 

The UCI has moved to allow the use of 

"stock-it-yourself/do-it-yourself" pit areas for mechanical 

assistance, meaning, you would no longer have to carry with you every 

tool, tube, patch, tire, wheel, etc. during the race. This seems to 

pertain to national championship level races, or races where they 

select national team riders. 

 

I'm not making any value judgement regarding this new policy, just 

wanted to bring up the topic for discussion/clarification for OBRA 

riders. What is OBRA's stance on this matter? 

 

1.) Allow the use of the pits? 

 

2.) Dis-allow the pits and require the rider to carry everything 

necessary, as we have been doing since the beginnings of our sport. 

 

Let's share in this discussion so that we're all on the same page. Any ideas? 

 

Chris Brandt<o:p></o:p>

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cdbr-@gmail.com

2005-02-01

Thanks for the reply Cheryl, and for pointing out the current OBRA

rules:

-------------------------

<bold>20.2.3 Racers shall complete the entire event (or individual

stage) on the same bicycle upon which the event was begun. All repairs

during an event shall be performed by the individual racer. No outside

support is permitted. All spare parts and tools shall be carried by

the individual racer. Cannibalizing: any part or component taken from

one bicycle to repair or improve the performance of another is not

permitted. </bold>

-------------------------

To summarize, looks like the newly inacted UCI MTB rules regarding

support will NOT apply to OBRA races... so the old rule applies... carry

what you need to be self-sufficient. Unless of course, a new rule is

brought up at the annual meeting, this coming FEB 11th.

My personal opinion is that we SHOULD be self supporting, and that the

new UCI rules go against the history of our sport. I like it the way it

is and hope it stays that way.

Thanks for reading,

Chris

Chris Brandt wrote:

I know that OBRA operates independently of USACycling and the UCI, but

I thought it might be helpful for those riders out there who race MTB

to know...

Mechanical Support:

The UCI has moved to allow the use of

"stock-it-yourself/do-it-yourself" pit areas for mechanical

assistance, meaning, you would no longer have to carry with you every

tool, tube, patch, tire, wheel, etc. during the race. This seems to

pertain to national championship level races, or races where they

select national team riders.

I'm not making any value judgement regarding this new policy, just

wanted to bring up the topic for discussion/clarification for OBRA

riders. What is OBRA's stance on this matter?

1.) Allow the use of the pits?

2.) Dis-allow the pits and require the rider to carry everything

necessary, as we have been doing since the beginnings of our sport.

Let's share in this discussion so that we're all on the same page. Any

ideas?

Chris Brandt

Cheryl J. Willson

2005-02-01

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You can download OBRA rules including MTB rules and read them! They're

on the OBRA site. ( http://www.obra.org/forms/index.html )

I've pasted some of the rules below and the applicable rule 20.2.3

should appear in bold. It's worth noting that rule changes are

discussed at the OBRA annual meeting...which is February 11 this year.

I am sure, if anyone is interested in proposing a rule change, Candi or

Mike can tell them how to propose a change for the agenda.

20 - MOUNTAIN BIKE RACING

20.1 - TYPES OF COMPETITION

- Cross-country -An individual or mass start competition which is held

on a circuit course comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails

and unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road may be

necessary).

- Point-to-Point - An individual or mass start competition held on a

course from point A to point B comprised of forest roads, forest or

field trails and unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of

paved road may be necessary).

- Hill Climb/Uphill -A competition of sustained climbing in which the

finish line is at a higher altitude than the start line. A hill climb

may be a mass start competition or a time trial.

- Downhill - A time trial of sustained descending occurring between a

start line and a finish line which is located at a lower altitude.

Competitors typically depart the start line in timed intervals (i.e. 30

or 60 seconds).

- Dual Slalom - An event where two competitors race head-to-head down

two parallel slalom courses. The two courses should be as close to

identical as possible with an average time differential of less than

one second.

- Stage Races - Events where competitors are required to compete in a

series of different events toward one total overall score or time. A

typical stage race might consist of an uphill, a cross-country and a

downhill time trial. This event determines the most versatile rider and

occurs over one or several days. Each stage has a winner. Competitors

must complete all stages with the finishing times or points recorded

after each event. The rider with the lowest accumulated total time or

the highest accumulated points at the end of all stages is the winner.

A rider may be rewarded for winning an individual stage with bonus

seconds, which are subtracted from the rider's overall time (referred

to as General Classification or G.C.).

- Observed Trials - Events conducted over an obstacle course including

such natural hazards as mud, rocks, water, etc. and can have any number

of sections. The riders attempt to negotiate each section without

putting down a foot or hand(dab). Each dab (foot or hand) adds a point

to the rider's score. The rider with the lowest score wins the event.

20.2 - RACING REGULATIONS

20.2.1 All riders must attend the pre-race briefing (riders' meeting)

normally held at the staging area prior to the race start.

20.2.2 Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse.

20.2.3 Racers shall complete the entire event (or individual stage) on

the same bicycle upon which the event was begun. All repairs during an

event shall be performed by the individual racer. No outside support is

permitted. All spare parts and tools shall be carried by the individual

racer. Cannibalizing: any part or component taken from one bicycle to

repair or improve the performance of another is not permitted.

20.2.4 Shortcutting and/or cutting trail switchbacks may result in

disqualification.

20.2.5 Foul riding, un-sportsmanlike behavior or the use of profane or

abusive language are grounds for warning, relegation, disqualification,

fine or recommended membership suspension. The penalty imposed shall be

determined by the Race Official or the OBRA Administrative Assistant.

20.2.6 Laws and ordinances of appropriate jurisdictions shall be

observed during participation in any event.

20.2.7 Only riders officially entered in the event may practice or

compete on the designated race course and they must wear their number

plate and number.

20.2..8 Infractions of rules, regulations and requirements specified or

not specifically defined may result in a warning, relegation, or

disqualification.

20.3 - CROSS-COUNTRY

20.3.1 Water shall be available only in designated feed zone(s) as

outlined by the Race Director. The Race Director will provide a neutral

water zone with water for any race exceeding 90 minutes in length.

Official water zones must be accessible and publicized before each

race. Feeding (food handouts) shall only be done in a designated feed

zone. A feed handout to one rider must not cause other riders to slow

down or veer off course.

20.3.2 Racers riding bicycles have the right of way over racers pushing

bicycles. When practical, racers pushing should stay on the least

rideable portion of the path when being passed. A racer pushing or

carrying his bicycle can overtake a racer riding his bicycle provided

he does not interfere with the rider's progress.

20.3.3 Lapped riders must yield to leaders. Riders should voice the

command "Track" when overtaking another. It is the responsibility of

the challenging rider to overtake safely. You must yield to the passing

rider on the first command.

20.3.4 In the event two riders are vying for position, the leading

rider does not have to yield his position to the challenging rider.

However, a rider may not bodily interfere with the intent to impede

another rider's progress.

20.3.5 Traditional rules of racing apply: the leading rider owns the

track.

On Feb 1, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Chris Brandt wrote:

I know that OBRA operates independently of USACycling and the UCI, but

I thought it might be helpful for those riders out there who race MTB

to know...

Mechanical Support:

The UCI has moved to allow the use of

"stock-it-yourself/do-it-yourself" pit areas for mechanical

assistance, meaning, you would no longer have to carry with you every

tool, tube, patch, tire, wheel, etc. during the race. This seems to

pertain to national championship level races, or races where they

select national team riders.

I'm not making any value judgement regarding this new policy, just

wanted to bring up the topic for discussion/clarification for OBRA

riders. What is OBRA's stance on this matter?

1.) Allow the use of the pits?

2.) Dis-allow the pits and require the rider to carry everything

necessary, as we have been doing since the beginnings of our sport.

Let's share in this discussion so that we're all on the same page. Any

ideas?

Chris Brandt

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<fontfamily><param>Times</param>You can download OBRA rules including

MTB rules and read them! They're on the OBRA site. (

</fontfamily>http://www.obra.org/forms/index.html )<fontfamily><param>Times</param>

I've pasted some of the rules below and the applicable rule 20.2.3

should appear in bold. It's worth noting that rule changes are

discussed at the OBRA annual meeting...which is February 11 this year.

I am sure, if anyone is interested in proposing a rule change, Candi

or Mike can tell them how to propose a change for the agenda.

20 - MOUNTAIN BIKE RACING

20.1 - TYPES OF COMPETITION

- Cross-country -An individual or mass start competition which is held

on a circuit course comprised of forest roads, forest or field trails

and unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of paved road may

be necessary).

- Point-to-Point - An individual or mass start competition held on a

course from point A to point B comprised of forest roads, forest or

field trails and unpaved dirt or gravel roads (a minimal amount of

paved road may be necessary).

- Hill Climb/Uphill -A competition of sustained climbing in which the

finish line is at a higher altitude than the start line. A hill climb

may be a mass start competition or a time trial.

- Downhill - A time trial of sustained descending occurring between a

start line and a finish line which is located at a lower altitude.

Competitors typically depart the start line in timed intervals (i.e.

30 or 60 seconds).

- Dual Slalom - An event where two competitors race head-to-head down

two parallel slalom courses. The two courses should be as close to

identical as possible with an average time differential of less than

one second.

- Stage Races - Events where competitors are required to compete in a

series of different events toward one total overall score or time. A

typical stage race might consist of an uphill, a cross-country and a

downhill time trial. This event determines the most versatile rider

and occurs over one or several days. Each stage has a winner.

Competitors must complete all stages with the finishing times or

points recorded after each event. The rider with the lowest

accumulated total time or the highest accumulated points at the end of

all stages is the winner. A rider may be rewarded for winning an

individual stage with bonus seconds, which are subtracted from the

rider's overall time (referred to as General Classification or G.C.).

- Observed Trials - Events conducted over an obstacle course including

such natural hazards as mud, rocks, water, etc. and can have any

number of sections. The riders attempt to negotiate each section

without putting down a foot or hand(dab). Each dab (foot or hand) adds

a point to the rider's score. The rider with the lowest score wins the

event.

20.2 - RACING REGULATIONS

20.2.1 All riders must attend the pre-race briefing (riders' meeting)

normally held at the staging area prior to the race start.

20.2.2 Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse.

<bold>20.2.3 Racers shall complete the entire event (or individual

stage) on the same bicycle upon which the event was begun. All repairs

during an event shall be performed by the individual racer. No outside

support is permitted. All spare parts and tools shall be carried by

the individual racer. Cannibalizing: any part or component taken from

one bicycle to repair or improve the performance of another is not

permitted. </bold>

20.2.4 Shortcutting and/or cutting trail switchbacks may result in

disqualification.

20.2.5 Foul riding, un-sportsmanlike behavior or the use of profane or

abusive language are grounds for warning, relegation,

disqualification, fine or recommended membership suspension. The

penalty imposed shall be determined by the Race Official or the OBRA

Administrative Assistant.

20.2.6 Laws and ordinances of appropriate jurisdictions shall be

observed during participation in any event.

20.2.7 Only riders officially entered in the event may practice or

compete on the designated race course and they must wear their number

plate and number.

20.2..8 Infractions of rules, regulations and requirements specified

or not specifically defined may result in a warning, relegation, or

disqualification.

20.3 - CROSS-COUNTRY

<bold>20.3.1 Water shall be available only in designated feed zone(s)

as outlined by the Race Director. The Race Director will provide a

neutral water zone with water for any race exceeding 90 minutes in

length. Official water zones must be accessible and publicized before

each race. Feeding (food handouts) shall only be done in a designated

feed zone. A feed handout to one rider must not cause other riders to

slow down or veer off course. </bold>

20.3.2 Racers riding bicycles have the right of way over racers

pushing bicycles. When practical, racers pushing should stay on the

least rideable portion of the path when being passed. A racer pushing

or carrying his bicycle can overtake a racer riding his bicycle

provided he does not interfere with the rider's progress.

20.3.3 Lapped riders must yield to leaders. Riders should voice the

command "Track" when overtaking another. It is the responsibility of

the challenging rider to overtake safely. You must yield to the

passing rider on the first command.

20.3.4 In the event two riders are vying for position, the leading

rider does not have to yield his position to the challenging rider.

However, a rider may not bodily interfere with the intent to impede

another rider's progress.

20.3.5 Traditional rules of racing apply: the leading rider owns the

track.

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On Feb 1, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Chris Brandt wrote:

<excerpt>I know that OBRA operates independently of USACycling and the

UCI, but

I thought it might be helpful for those riders out there who race MTB

to know...

Mechanical Support:

The UCI has moved to allow the use of

"stock-it-yourself/do-it-yourself" pit areas for mechanical

assistance, meaning, you would no longer have to carry with you every

tool, tube, patch, tire, wheel, etc. during the race. This seems to

pertain to national championship level races, or races where they

select national team riders.

I'm not making any value judgement regarding this new policy, just

wanted to bring up the topic for discussion/clarification for OBRA

riders. What is OBRA's stance on this matter?

1.) Allow the use of the pits?

2.) Dis-allow the pits and require the rider to carry everything

necessary, as we have been doing since the beginnings of our sport.

Let's share in this discussion so that we're all on the same page. Any

ideas?

Chris Brandt

</excerpt>

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Chris Brandt

2005-02-01

I know that OBRA operates independently of USACycling and the UCI, but

I thought it might be helpful for those riders out there who race MTB

to know...

Mechanical Support:

The UCI has moved to allow the use of

"stock-it-yourself/do-it-yourself" pit areas for mechanical

assistance, meaning, you would no longer have to carry with you every

tool, tube, patch, tire, wheel, etc. during the race. This seems to

pertain to national championship level races, or races where they

select national team riders.

I'm not making any value judgement regarding this new policy, just

wanted to bring up the topic for discussion/clarification for OBRA

riders. What is OBRA's stance on this matter?

1.) Allow the use of the pits?

2.) Dis-allow the pits and require the rider to carry everything

necessary, as we have been doing since the beginnings of our sport.

Let's share in this discussion so that we're all on the same page. Any ideas?

Chris Brandt

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