You do, but the tools are relatively cheap and come in handy in a
million ways when doing things around the house or with bikes. Being a
true tool geek, I also have safety wire pliers and several gauges of
wire, but that is just demonstrating my abject hopelessness as a tool
geek.
The great thing about pop rivets is that they are lighter than bolts,
yet won't come undone. To remove them you just drill out the center
"mandrel" and out it comes. They come in several diameters and in steel
or aluminum for different uses.
Doug (The Tool Man) Hormann
-----Original Message-----
From: Schreck, George [mailto:George.-@PacifiCorp.com]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:15 AM
To: Hormann, Douglas J.
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Rain Flap Tip
Do you need a special tool to secure the rivets?
-----Original Message-----
From: Hormann, Douglas J. [mailto:Douglas.-@tvfr.com]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:11 AM
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Rain Flap Tip
I use pop rivets. Drill a small hole in the fender; only took me two
minutes to find the drill and bit, but maybe I'm particularly speedy:)
For plastic and the rubber my flap is made out of I used a couple small
washers and a longer aluminum pop rivet.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Evan MacKenzie [mailto:eva-@ci.hillsboro.or.us]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:07 AM
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: FW: [OBRA Chat] Rain Flap Tip
I dunno, I mean if it takes someone 15-30 minutes to drill a hole in a
piece of plastic and install a bolt, you really are in over your head.
Rear racks take at least four bolts, that's two hours!
What about regular maintenance on your bike?
I mean, it would be an hour before they even have the derailleurs
loosened and tightened again, even more to mess with the barrel
adjusters and actually get it to shift.
I don't even want to know how long it would take someone to remove a
crank (two bolts), take out the bb, put in a new one, and put the crank
back on with new chainrings (egads, five more bolts to remove and
reinstall!).
Better not have that person do a full tune-up on your bike, or you may
never see it again!
Now what were we talking about?
Oh yeah, but seriously folks, I don't care how you mount your fenders. I
just don't want to ride behind you on a winter training ride unless you
have a full fender in back and something attached below it. It'ths
justht bad rider etiquette (blech, gak!).
-Evan
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-----Original Message-----
From: matt-@oatmail.org [mailto:matt-@oatmail.org]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:53 AM
To: twotireti-@yahoo.com
Cc: Evan MacKenzie; ob-@topica.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Rain Flap Tip
Pfftt. I saw a guy out yesterday with fenders entirely made out of
Orange
Juice Box containers.
Seriously, how complicated does this need to get? :P
Well my tip is for people who do not want to deal with the hassle of
bolting since:
Now you're looking at 15 minutes to half hour to install using a
bolt
versus less than just a couple minutes.
Now you are looking at more weight equals higher chance of fender
breaking and vibrating.
Milk jug plastic is extremely flexible and tough and cheap and
readily
available. There is no need to twist it up for placing on rack. It
will flex. You want the weak part to be the flap not your fender !
A
plastic tied flap is typically on much more securely then with a bolt,
(the "joint" is spread out versus concentrated forces..unless you use
curved fender washers with the bolt method or fabricated sheet metal
"washer" which only add more weight to vibrate and more fabrication
time, yes I know by experience... )
And if the flap really gets in the way, well snip the ties and take
off
the flap, and reinstall later. plastic tie are cheap.
But I also ride my bike and rarely give my bicycle a ride.
especially in
the winter.
I've mounted a whole fender with plastic ties (well except for the
steel
rods from the eyelets of course) by stratagically drilling holes and
combining the plastic ties..
And then if you get the real big plastic ties they make good
handcuffs
too.
Actually my ski rack rack is held on to the roof of my car right now
with plastic ties...
John
Evan MacKenzie <eva-@ci.hillsboro.or.us> wrote:
All sounds good except...
I prefer to actually bolt mine to the existing fender. This allows the
attached piece, be it half an old water bottle or whatever, to rotate.
That way you can twist it up. If your fender extension on the front
fender does not rotate, forget putting the bike on pretty much any
fork
mount roof rack with a tray to the rear wheel.
Evan
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-----Original Message-----
From: john schmidt [mailto:twotireti-@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:59 AM
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Rain Flap Tip
I thought I would share
putting those rain flaps the bottom of back fender is is nice for
group
riding and the flap in the front keeps feet dryer and your chain much
much cleaner.
I found the easiest way to mount flaps is to just drill a couple holes
and "stitch" on the flaps with plastic ties. (this shouldn't take you
more than 5 minutes)
1. Find an old milk jug or similar plastic (you want light weight).
2. Cut out a strip (you can always trim later..)
3. Tape to fender (to hold in place for drilling)
4. Drill two vertically aligned holes about 1/2" apart on each "side"
of the fenders. four holes total. ( 1/8" or larger drill?) Remove the
wheel so you don't accidently drill into your tire !!!
5. run Plastic ties through the holes... Wire could work too,
basically you are just stitching the flap to the fender.
The concavity of the fender will "stiffen" the flap. But I've found
even
if it doesn't it still works just fine if long enough. you can also
drill holes down the length of the flap and run a wire through and
down
or double up the plastic. You want these things almost all the way to
the ground.
I found in general, plastic ties can be used all over the place to
hold
fenders on, to hold lights on, etc etc.
yeah i did a goup ride these weekend and came home with so much sand
and
grit in my clothes that I made a sandbox. I was the only person with
decent flaps.
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