Schreck, George

Frankly, every topic they cover offends someone. If that becomes the

standard, not one says anything. Cycling is your issue so you are

offended. Others have other issues and it never ends. They did not

advocate running us off the road. They are allowed to express an

opinion that we do not belong on the road, whether in jest or serious,

as long as they do not advocate injuring us. Just because it is counter

to your desires does not mean they cannot say it, no more that I would

appreciate everyone else they offend from taking action. If it were up

to people like my mother, none of these shows would be on the air,

because she is continually offended by them. We would all have a duller

existence for the lack of these shows. Frankly, I never find these guys

funny. I find their supposed humor lacking any whit whatsoever.



-----Original Message-----

From: T. Kenji Sugahara [mailto:suga-@mac.com]

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:09 PM

To: Schreck, George

Cc: gary.m-@gmail.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Local radio station slams bikes for being on



Actually, I disagree.



Sometimes we forget that vehicles can kill us. While it may be

humorous to some, it sends the wrong message to individuals who

believe that "anything without a motor doesn't belong on the road."   

Overreaction? I don't believe so given the potential end results of

clashes between cyclists and motorists.



Are we actually censoring? No. We are letting them know that there

is a community of cyclists who were very troubled by the comments.



I in fact, do wake up to Nelson and Terry. I do appreciate their

humor but sometimes they go too far. When they do, they need to be

called on it.



I e-mailed Jeff again and asked him the potential of PSA addressing

how cyclists and motorists can co-exist.



k-











On Feb 2, 2006, at 4:44 PM, Schreck, George wrote:



 But we cannot think we should censor the entire world for bad

humor. If

so, I would not be allowed to speak or write.



I think we overreacted this time.



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Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:41 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Local radio station slams bikes for being on



George,



Sometimes going 'Thermo-Nuclear' gets quick results.



Nobody wants to incite riots and there are plenty of groups with

smaller



hackles than the Damp/Moldy/Cold/Tired Cyclists of OBRA who cringe

every



time a SUV passes by with some angry-at-life yahoo hanging out the

window. Next time maybe they'll think twice before openning that

blather



hole.



Gary



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Actually, I disagree.



Sometimes we forget that vehicles can kill us. While it may be

humorous to some, it sends the wrong message to individuals who

believe that "anything without a motor doesn't belong on the road."   

Overreaction? I don't believe so given the potential end results of

clashes between cyclists and motorists.



Are we actually censoring? No. We are letting them know that there

is a community of cyclists who were very troubled by the comments.



I in fact, do wake up to Nelson and Terry. I do appreciate their

humor but sometimes they go too far. When they do, they need to be

called on it.



I e-mailed Jeff again and asked him the potential of PSA addressing

how cyclists and motorists can co-exist.



k-











On Feb 2, 2006, at 4:44 PM, Schreck, George wrote:



 But we cannot think we should censor the entire world for bad

humor. If

so, I would not be allowed to speak or write.



I think we overreacted this time.



-----Original Message-----

From: gary.m-@gmail.com [mailto:gary.m-@gmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:41 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Local radio station slams bikes for being on



George,



Sometimes going 'Thermo-Nuclear' gets quick results.



Nobody wants to incite riots and there are plenty of groups with

smaller



hackles than the Damp/Moldy/Cold/Tired Cyclists of OBRA who cringe

every



time a SUV passes by with some angry-at-life yahoo hanging out the

window. Next time maybe they'll think twice before openning that

blather



hole.



Gary



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Randy Dreiling

I am personally more worried about the little wannbe

gangbanger that thinks it is funny to throw stuff at

you or drive at you and run you off the road anyday

then I am about the SUV's



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 George,



Sometimes going 'Thermo-Nuclear' gets quick results.





Nobody wants to incite riots and there are plenty of

groups with smaller

hackles than the Damp/Moldy/Cold/Tired Cyclists of

OBRA who cringe every

time a SUV passes by with some angry-at-life yahoo

hanging out the

window. Next time maybe they'll think twice before

openning that blather

hole.



Gary



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But we cannot think we should censor the entire world for bad humor. If

so, I would not be allowed to speak or write.



I think we overreacted this time.



-----Original Message-----

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Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:41 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Local radio station slams bikes for being on



George,



Sometimes going 'Thermo-Nuclear' gets quick results.



Nobody wants to incite riots and there are plenty of groups with smaller



hackles than the Damp/Moldy/Cold/Tired Cyclists of OBRA who cringe every



time a SUV passes by with some angry-at-life yahoo hanging out the

window. Next time maybe they'll think twice before openning that blather



hole.



Gary



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George,



Sometimes going 'Thermo-Nuclear' gets quick results.



Nobody wants to incite riots and there are plenty of groups with smaller

hackles than the Damp/Moldy/Cold/Tired Cyclists of OBRA who cringe every

time a SUV passes by with some angry-at-life yahoo hanging out the

window. Next time maybe they'll think twice before openning that blather

hole.



Gary

Schreck, George

I think this should put the matter to rest. Also, I think we need to be

a little less self righteous, less quick to judge and be able to take a

few blows, whether in good taste or not. Also, more research into the

facts would be a good idea as well. When we overreact, people may begin

to take us less seriously.



I am as guilty of this as anyone else (trying not to be self righteous

here, but perhaps quick to judge).   



-----Original Message-----

From: Todd Fawcett [mailto:tfaw-@citycenterparking.com]

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:14 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Local radio station slams bikes for being on

the road



I am posting this for Jeff McHugh, Program Director, 105.1 The Buzz:



"Todd,



Thank you for your note. I have been trying to respond to the group,

but the website you send me does not seem to be working for me. I would



like to respond to you, and I would appreciate it if you would post my

comments on the board for me. Could I ask that favor of you?



I have been able to review the segment that aired concerning bicyclists

on the Nelson And Terry show. This is a case of comments made in jest

being re-told secondhand and out of context. I recieved only ONE

complaint call about the segment. And that was from the person who

posted a complaint about our station on the internet - without hearing

the segment himself! Of course now, people are reading this on the

internet, and mad without reason.



If you're not familiar with the Nelson And Terry show, there are jokes

made about just about every subject. It's a comedy-based show, so the

expectation of taking any comment seriously is not the same as it would

be for NPR, for example.



At around 7:55, during a topic called "what would you change about

Portland," a caller named Marcy said first that she would change all the



buildings to mirrored exteriors, so that instead of big buildings

blocking your view, you would see the reflection of sky and other stuff.



Nelson joked that the bright sunlight would reflect off the buildings

and then half our population would end up blind, so he was against it.

(You can see that this is clearly not a substantive discussion, right?)



Marcy's second suggestion was that she wanted to change the laws about

bike riders. Her comment was that if there wasn't a bike path, they

should not be able to use the street. Marcy said that her husband never



rides in the roads without bike lanes because vehiclists do not pay

attention, or they get backed up behind bikers and they get ticked.

Marcy said that she thought it would be safer for everyone.



Nelson then joked, (in a character voice) "we should have a track where

they all could ride in until they get tired and then take a cab home!"

Marcy chimed in, "So if it doesn't have a motor it shouldn't be on the

road! Nelson added, (again, in a character voice) "They shouldn't be in



the road! I feel the same way about CATS!"



There was laughter throughout, so I think it was clear to everyone that

Nelson was pretending to take a rediculous position for comedic effect.



He also joked about the bicyclist's apparel. But he then added, "I'm

just kidding," and later said "God bless you for riding a bike and not

polluting," and expressed sincere concern about the bicyclists safety.

There were other comments sprinkled throughout, some agreeing with

Marcy's concern about mixing traffic and bikes, but that's the major

part of it.



I am myself a bicyclist, and I am satisfied that while our hosts made

jokes that not everyone found funny, they made every reasonable effort

to make sure that they were not taken seriously, and meant no harm.



If you, or anyone else wants to call and discuss this with me, my

office number is 503-535-0315. Thank you.



Jeff McHugh

Program Director

1051 The Buzz"



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