Tim Schauer

Not only is supporting your local shops for your saddle choice a good
idea because many of them support us by supporting OBRA and our racing
community .....

Our team sponsor included (THANK YOU River City Bicycles!),...

BUT, it is also a good idea because I think they have a very similar
policy called "saddle comfort guarantee" or something similar. I think
you'll find you can't beat your local bike shops for service by
shopping/shipping at Walmoart .... uh... I meant Perfromance online.

-Tim Schauer, Columbia River Velo.

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Dave German
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:47 PM
To: augusto.carneiro@terra.com.br; phildlm@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?

I once bought a saddle at Performance and they told me I could install
and
try it on my bike at home, then return it if it didn't work. They told
me
to wrap the rails in tape so they didn't get scratched up, and that the
saddle had to come back looking new. It worked for me so I never took
advantage of their return offer.

Dave

>From: "Augusto Carneiro"
>Reply-To: augusto.carneiro@terra.com.br
>To: "'Phil de la Motte'" ,
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
>Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:08:17 -0700
>
>I have the same complaint - why won't a local bike shop set up bikes on
>trainers, with a variety of saddles to choose from? Seems like that
would
>attract a lot of riders to experiment.
>
>
>
>Augusto
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
>Behalf Of Phil de la Motte
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:48 PM
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
>
>
>
>OBRA-land,
>
>I've had a Selle Italia Evo for the last 3 years and it's getting
>progressively more uncomfortable. Not sure if that's due to the
increase
>in
>weekly miles I'm putting on it, or if the saddle firmness is wearing
out.
>Maybe I'm just getting older too. Anyway since I haven't found a place

>that
>will let me try various saddles before buying, has anyone found a
>particular
>model of racing saddle that's a really good fit and comfortable?
Curious
>if
>there's any overall concensus even though we all come in different
shapes
>and sizes...
>
>Phil de la Motte
>

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Michael.Packard@CH2M.com

When you can support your local bike shops, please do.

I had a saddle rail break (after about 2 years) and Performance replaced
the saddle. I only had to pay the difference between the original cost
and the new cost (about $10).

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Long, Steve
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:52 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?

Well, I'm certainly not trying to derail the local shops because I've
gotten great service from Bike Gallery as well. Plus, I've gotten great
swag from Lakeside too. But, if you order online from Performance, you
can send just about anything back to them. It's almost like Nordstrom.

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Dave German
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:47 PM
To: augusto.carneiro@terra.com.br; phildlm@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?

I once bought a saddle at Performance and they told me I could install
and try it on my bike at home, then return it if it didn't work. They
told me to wrap the rails in tape so they didn't get scratched up, and
that the saddle had to come back looking new. It worked for me so I
never took advantage of their return offer.

Dave

>From: "Augusto Carneiro"
>Reply-To: augusto.carneiro@terra.com.br
>To: "'Phil de la Motte'" ,
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
>Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:08:17 -0700
>
>I have the same complaint - why won't a local bike shop set up bikes on

>trainers, with a variety of saddles to choose from? Seems like that
>would attract a lot of riders to experiment.
>
>
>
>Augusto
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On

>Behalf Of Phil de la Motte
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:48 PM
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
>
>
>
>OBRA-land,
>
>I've had a Selle Italia Evo for the last 3 years and it's getting
>progressively more uncomfortable. Not sure if that's due to the
>increase in weekly miles I'm putting on it, or if the saddle firmness
>is wearing out.
>Maybe I'm just getting older too. Anyway since I haven't found a place

>that will let me try various saddles before buying, has anyone found a
>particular model of racing saddle that's a really good fit and
>comfortable? Curious if there's any overall concensus even though we
>all come in different shapes and sizes...
>
>Phil de la Motte
>

>_______________________________________________
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Long, Steve

Well, I'm certainly not trying to derail the local shops because I've
gotten great service from Bike Gallery as well. Plus, I've gotten great
swag from Lakeside too. But, if you order online from Performance, you
can send just about anything back to them. It's almost like Nordstrom.

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Dave German
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:47 PM
To: augusto.carneiro@terra.com.br; phildlm@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?

I once bought a saddle at Performance and they told me I could install
and try it on my bike at home, then return it if it didn't work. They
told me to wrap the rails in tape so they didn't get scratched up, and
that the saddle had to come back looking new. It worked for me so I
never took advantage of their return offer.

Dave

>From: "Augusto Carneiro"
>Reply-To: augusto.carneiro@terra.com.br
>To: "'Phil de la Motte'" ,
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
>Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:08:17 -0700
>
>I have the same complaint - why won't a local bike shop set up bikes on

>trainers, with a variety of saddles to choose from? Seems like that
>would attract a lot of riders to experiment.
>
>
>
>Augusto
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On

>Behalf Of Phil de la Motte
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:48 PM
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
>
>
>
>OBRA-land,
>
>I've had a Selle Italia Evo for the last 3 years and it's getting
>progressively more uncomfortable. Not sure if that's due to the
>increase in weekly miles I'm putting on it, or if the saddle firmness
>is wearing out.
>Maybe I'm just getting older too. Anyway since I haven't found a place

>that will let me try various saddles before buying, has anyone found a
>particular model of racing saddle that's a really good fit and
>comfortable? Curious if there's any overall concensus even though we
>all come in different shapes and sizes...
>
>Phil de la Motte
>

>_______________________________________________
>OBRA mailing list
>obra@list.obra.org
>http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

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Dave German

I once bought a saddle at Performance and they told me I could install and
try it on my bike at home, then return it if it didn't work. They told me
to wrap the rails in tape so they didn't get scratched up, and that the
saddle had to come back looking new. It worked for me so I never took
advantage of their return offer.

Dave

>From: "Augusto Carneiro"
>Reply-To: augusto.carneiro@terra.com.br
>To: "'Phil de la Motte'" ,
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
>Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:08:17 -0700
>
>I have the same complaint - why won't a local bike shop set up bikes on
>trainers, with a variety of saddles to choose from? Seems like that would
>attract a lot of riders to experiment.
>
>
>
>Augusto
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
>Behalf Of Phil de la Motte
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:48 PM
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
>
>
>
>OBRA-land,
>
>I've had a Selle Italia Evo for the last 3 years and it's getting
>progressively more uncomfortable. Not sure if that's due to the increase
>in
>weekly miles I'm putting on it, or if the saddle firmness is wearing out.
>Maybe I'm just getting older too. Anyway since I haven't found a place
>that
>will let me try various saddles before buying, has anyone found a
>particular
>model of racing saddle that's a really good fit and comfortable? Curious
>if
>there's any overall concensus even though we all come in different shapes
>and sizes...
>
>Phil de la Motte
>

>_______________________________________________
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>obra@list.obra.org
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JOHN FORBES

We at Lakeside Bicycles will let you try a saddle and return it, undamaged.
John Forbes
2126 NE 12th Ave.
Portland, OR 97212
503-331-6658
----- Original Message -----
From: Schreck, George
To: augusto.carneiro@terra.com.br ; Phil de la Motte ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?

River City is fairly good about letting you return a saddle for a different model so long as it still is in new condition, and ride on your own bicycle over varied terrain probably is the only way to really tell.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Augusto Carneiro
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:08 PM
To: 'Phil de la Motte'; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?

I have the same complaint - why won't a local bike shop set up bikes on trainers, with a variety of saddles to choose from? Seems like that would attract a lot of riders to experiment.

Augusto

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Phil de la Motte
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:48 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?

OBRA-land,

I've had a Selle Italia Evo for the last 3 years and it's getting progressively more uncomfortable. Not sure if that's due to the increase in weekly miles I'm putting on it, or if the saddle firmness is wearing out. Maybe I'm just getting older too. Anyway since I haven't found a place that will let me try various saddles before buying, has anyone found a particular model of racing saddle that's a really good fit and comfortable? Curious if there's any overall concensus even though we all come in different shapes and sizes...

Phil de la Motte

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Long, Steve

Performance will also let you return a saddle.

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Cipale
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:24 PM
To: Schreck, George
Cc: obra@list.obra.org; Phil de la Motte
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?

Bike Gallery has a similar policy...

Joe

Schreck, George wrote:

> River City is fairly good about letting you return a saddle for a
> different model so long as it still is in new condition, and ride on
> your own bicycle over varied terrain probably is the only way to
> really tell.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On Behalf Of Augusto Carneiro
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:08 PM
> To: 'Phil de la Motte'; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
>
>
>
> I have the same complaint - why won't a local bike shop set up bikes
> on trainers, with a variety of saddles to choose from? Seems like
> that would attract a lot of riders to experiment.
>
> =20
>
> Augusto
>
> =20
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On Behalf Of Phil de la Motte
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:48 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
>
> =20
>
> OBRA-land,
>
> I've had a Selle Italia Evo for the last 3 years and it's getting
> progressively more uncomfortable. Not sure if that's due to the
> increase in weekly miles I'm putting on it, or if the saddle firmness
> is wearing out. Maybe I'm just getting older too. Anyway since I
> haven't found a place that will let me try various saddles before
> buying, has anyone found a particular model of racing saddle that's a
> really good fit and comfortable? Curious if there's any overall
> concensus even though we all come in different shapes and sizes...=20
>
> Phil de la Motte
>
>
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Bike Gallery has a similar policy...

Joe

Schreck, George wrote:

> River City is fairly good about letting you return a saddle for a
> different model so long as it still is in new condition, and ride on
> your own bicycle over varied terrain probably is the only way to really
> tell.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Augusto Carneiro
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:08 PM
> To: 'Phil de la Motte'; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
>
>
>
> I have the same complaint - why won't a local bike shop set up bikes on
> trainers, with a variety of saddles to choose from? Seems like that
> would attract a lot of riders to experiment.
>
> =20
>
> Augusto
>
> =20
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Phil de la Motte
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:48 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
>
> =20
>
> OBRA-land,
>
> I've had a Selle Italia Evo for the last 3 years and it's getting
> progressively more uncomfortable. Not sure if that's due to the
> increase in weekly miles I'm putting on it, or if the saddle firmness is
> wearing out. Maybe I'm just getting older too. Anyway since I haven't
> found a place that will let me try various saddles before buying, has
> anyone found a particular model of racing saddle that's a really good
> fit and comfortable? Curious if there's any overall concensus even
> though we all come in different shapes and sizes...=20
>
> Phil de la Motte
>
>
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Schreck, George

River City is fairly good about letting you return a saddle for a
different model so long as it still is in new condition, and ride on
your own bicycle over varied terrain probably is the only way to really
tell.

________________________________

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Augusto Carneiro
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:08 PM
To: 'Phil de la Motte'; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?

I have the same complaint - why won't a local bike shop set up bikes on
trainers, with a variety of saddles to choose from? Seems like that
would attract a lot of riders to experiment.

Augusto

________________________________

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Phil de la Motte
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:48 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?

OBRA-land,

I've had a Selle Italia Evo for the last 3 years and it's getting
progressively more uncomfortable. Not sure if that's due to the
increase in weekly miles I'm putting on it, or if the saddle firmness is
wearing out. Maybe I'm just getting older too. Anyway since I haven't
found a place that will let me try various saddles before buying, has
anyone found a particular model of racing saddle that's a really good
fit and comfortable? Curious if there's any overall concensus even
though we all come in different shapes and sizes...

Phil de la Motte

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Augusto Carneiro

I have the same complaint - why won't a local bike shop set up bikes on
trainers, with a variety of saddles to choose from? Seems like that would
attract a lot of riders to experiment.

Augusto

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Phil de la Motte
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:48 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?

OBRA-land,

I've had a Selle Italia Evo for the last 3 years and it's getting
progressively more uncomfortable. Not sure if that's due to the increase in
weekly miles I'm putting on it, or if the saddle firmness is wearing out.
Maybe I'm just getting older too. Anyway since I haven't found a place that
will let me try various saddles before buying, has anyone found a particular
model of racing saddle that's a really good fit and comfortable? Curious if
there's any overall concensus even though we all come in different shapes
and sizes...

Phil de la Motte

Phil de la Motte

OBRA-land,

I've had a Selle Italia Evo for the last 3 years and it's getting
progressively more uncomfortable. Not sure if that's due to the increase in
weekly miles I'm putting on it, or if the saddle firmness is wearing out.
Maybe I'm just getting older too. Anyway since I haven't found a place that
will let me try various saddles before buying, has anyone found a particular
model of racing saddle that's a really good fit and comfortable? Curious if
there's any overall concensus even though we all come in different shapes
and sizes...

Phil de la Motte