Re: Saddle Recommendations? Shop Choice

Long, Steve

2006-04-06

Well don't forget Bad Boyz in Camas too as long as we're trumpeting the
little guys.

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Dave German
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 4:44 PM
To: dave_german@hotmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations? Shop Choice

So I guess Perforance is like a moped - cool to ride till someone sees
you on it.

>From: "Dave German"
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations? Shop Choice
>Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:40:33 -0700
>
>Hold down the flame Tim. You are stepping into some testy territory.
>
>I guess I failed to mention I have also supported at least a dozen or
so
>other local shops over the last dozen years I have lived here. And
failed
>to mention I bought it at a local Performance shop, employing local
>riders/racers. So are you dissing them too for working at a big box?
>
>Yea I shop at Performance SOMETIMES. And River City sometimes. And
>whoever
>else has what I want in stock. And I support the little guys too.
Been
>working with Multnomah Bikes for years, Gary is one of the best
mechanics
>around. Weir's sponsors my team, so I support them too. I'm guessing
RC
>is
>your choice based on the discount you get, right? So why not spread it
>around to the little guy. RC is not going anywhere, they are one of
the
>biggest in town, a town with just about as many bike shops as coffee
>joints.
> I'm guessing you may be from Vancouver as your with CRV, if so why
make
>the trip to RC when you have smaller shops to support on that side of
the
>river? So using your logic - if Performance is the Walmart of the US,
then
>isn't RC the Walmart of the Portland market?
>
>And speaking of online shopping - I'm sure most of the people on this
list
>have shopped online at least once. Why? Sometimes you can't get what
you
>want locally or the price is just too low to pass up. Hey, sometimes
baby
>needs new shoes too. This could turn into another thread with all the
>for/against issues concerning online shopping.
>
>Dave
>
>
> >From: "Tim Schauer"
> >To: "Dave German" ,
> >, ,
> >
> >Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
> >Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:58:12 -0700
> >
> >Not only is supporting your local shops for your saddle choice a good
> >idea because many of them support us by supporting OBRA and our
racing
> >community .....
> >
> >Our team sponsor included (THANK YOU River City Bicycles!),...
> >
> >BUT, it is also a good idea because I think they have a very similar
> >policy called "saddle comfort guarantee" or something similar. I
think
> >you'll find you can't beat your local bike shops for service by
> >shopping/shipping at Walmoart .... uh... I meant Perfromance online.
> >
> >-Tim Schauer, Columbia River Velo.
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
> >Behalf Of Dave German
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:47 PM
> >To: augusto.carneiro@terra.com.br; phildlm@gmail.com;
obra@list.obra.org
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
> >
> >I once bought a saddle at Performance and they told me I could
install
> >and
> >try it on my bike at home, then return it if it didn't work. They
told
> >me
> >to wrap the rails in tape so they didn't get scratched up, and that
the
> >saddle had to come back looking new. It worked for me so I never
took
> >advantage of their return offer.
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >
> > >From: "Augusto Carneiro"
> > >Reply-To: augusto.carneiro@terra.com.br
> > >To: "'Phil de la Motte'" ,
> > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
> > >Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:08:17 -0700
> > >
> > >I have the same complaint - why won't a local bike shop set up
bikes on
> > >trainers, with a variety of saddles to choose from? Seems like
that
> >would
> > >attract a lot of riders to experiment.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Augusto
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > >From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > >Behalf Of Phil de la Motte
> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:48 PM
> > >To: obra@list.obra.org
> > >Subject: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >OBRA-land,
> > >
> > >I've had a Selle Italia Evo for the last 3 years and it's getting
> > >progressively more uncomfortable. Not sure if that's due to the
> >increase
> > >in
> > >weekly miles I'm putting on it, or if the saddle firmness is
wearing
> >out.
> > >Maybe I'm just getting older too. Anyway since I haven't found a
place
> >
> > >that
> > >will let me try various saddles before buying, has anyone found a
> > >particular
> > >model of racing saddle that's a really good fit and comfortable?
> >Curious
> > >if
> > >there's any overall concensus even though we all come in different
> >shapes
> > >and sizes...
> > >
> > >Phil de la Motte
> > >
> >
> >
> > >_______________________________________________
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> >
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Mark J. Ginsberg

2006-04-05

and we are also forgetting our history, Performance also used to be the shop sponsor of Team Oregon for quite a few years

Mark G

Dave German wrote: Hold down the flame Tim. You are stepping into some testy territory.

I guess I failed to mention I have also supported at least a dozen or so
other local shops over the last dozen years I have lived here. And failed
to mention I bought it at a local Performance shop, employing local
riders/racers. So are you dissing them too for working at a big box?

Yea I shop at Performance SOMETIMES. And River City sometimes. And whoever
else has what I want in stock. And I support the little guys too. Been
working with Multnomah Bikes for years, Gary is one of the best mechanics
around. Weir's sponsors my team, so I support them too. I'm guessing RC is
your choice based on the discount you get, right? So why not spread it
around to the little guy. RC is not going anywhere, they are one of the
biggest in town, a town with just about as many bike shops as coffee joints.
I'm guessing you may be from Vancouver as your with CRV, if so why make
the trip to RC when you have smaller shops to support on that side of the
river? So using your logic - if Performance is the Walmart of the US, then
isn't RC the Walmart of the Portland market?

And speaking of online shopping - I'm sure most of the people on this list
have shopped online at least once. Why? Sometimes you can't get what you
want locally or the price is just too low to pass up. Hey, sometimes baby
needs new shoes too. This could turn into another thread with all the
for/against issues concerning online shopping.

Dave

>From: "Tim Schauer"
>To: "Dave German" ,
>,
,
>
>Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
>Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:58:12 -0700
>
>Not only is supporting your local shops for your saddle choice a good
>idea because many of them support us by supporting OBRA and our racing
>community .....
>
>Our team sponsor included (THANK YOU River City Bicycles!),...
>
>BUT, it is also a good idea because I think they have a very similar
>policy called "saddle comfort guarantee" or something similar. I think
>you'll find you can't beat your local bike shops for service by
>shopping/shipping at Walmoart .... uh... I meant Perfromance online.
>
>-Tim Schauer, Columbia River Velo.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
>Behalf Of Dave German
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:47 PM
>To: augusto.carneiro@terra.com.br; phildlm@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
>
>I once bought a saddle at Performance and they told me I could install
>and
>try it on my bike at home, then return it if it didn't work. They told
>me
>to wrap the rails in tape so they didn't get scratched up, and that the
>saddle had to come back looking new. It worked for me so I never took
>advantage of their return offer.
>
>Dave
>
>
> >From: "Augusto Carneiro"
> >Reply-To: augusto.carneiro@terra.com.br
> >To: "'Phil de la Motte'"
,
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
> >Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:08:17 -0700
> >
> >I have the same complaint - why won't a local bike shop set up bikes on
> >trainers, with a variety of saddles to choose from? Seems like that
>would
> >attract a lot of riders to experiment.
> >
> >
> >
> >Augusto
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> >Behalf Of Phil de la Motte
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:48 PM
> >To: obra@list.obra.org
> >Subject: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
> >
> >
> >
> >OBRA-land,
> >
> >I've had a Selle Italia Evo for the last 3 years and it's getting
> >progressively more uncomfortable. Not sure if that's due to the
>increase
> >in
> >weekly miles I'm putting on it, or if the saddle firmness is wearing
>out.
> >Maybe I'm just getting older too. Anyway since I haven't found a place
>
> >that
> >will let me try various saddles before buying, has anyone found a
> >particular
> >model of racing saddle that's a really good fit and comfortable?
>Curious
> >if
> >there's any overall concensus even though we all come in different
>shapes
> >and sizes...
> >
> >Phil de la Motte
> >
>
>
> >_______________________________________________
> >OBRA mailing list
> >obra@list.obra.org
> >http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>
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Dave German

2006-04-05

So I guess Perforance is like a moped - cool to ride till someone sees you
on it.

>From: "Dave German"
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations? Shop Choice
>Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:40:33 -0700
>
>Hold down the flame Tim. You are stepping into some testy territory.
>
>I guess I failed to mention I have also supported at least a dozen or so
>other local shops over the last dozen years I have lived here. And failed
>to mention I bought it at a local Performance shop, employing local
>riders/racers. So are you dissing them too for working at a big box?
>
>Yea I shop at Performance SOMETIMES. And River City sometimes. And
>whoever
>else has what I want in stock. And I support the little guys too. Been
>working with Multnomah Bikes for years, Gary is one of the best mechanics
>around. Weir's sponsors my team, so I support them too. I'm guessing RC
>is
>your choice based on the discount you get, right? So why not spread it
>around to the little guy. RC is not going anywhere, they are one of the
>biggest in town, a town with just about as many bike shops as coffee
>joints.
> I'm guessing you may be from Vancouver as your with CRV, if so why make
>the trip to RC when you have smaller shops to support on that side of the
>river? So using your logic - if Performance is the Walmart of the US, then
>isn't RC the Walmart of the Portland market?
>
>And speaking of online shopping - I'm sure most of the people on this list
>have shopped online at least once. Why? Sometimes you can't get what you
>want locally or the price is just too low to pass up. Hey, sometimes baby
>needs new shoes too. This could turn into another thread with all the
>for/against issues concerning online shopping.
>
>Dave
>
>
> >From: "Tim Schauer"
> >To: "Dave German" ,
> >, ,
> >
> >Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
> >Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:58:12 -0700
> >
> >Not only is supporting your local shops for your saddle choice a good
> >idea because many of them support us by supporting OBRA and our racing
> >community .....
> >
> >Our team sponsor included (THANK YOU River City Bicycles!),...
> >
> >BUT, it is also a good idea because I think they have a very similar
> >policy called "saddle comfort guarantee" or something similar. I think
> >you'll find you can't beat your local bike shops for service by
> >shopping/shipping at Walmoart .... uh... I meant Perfromance online.
> >
> >-Tim Schauer, Columbia River Velo.
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> >Behalf Of Dave German
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:47 PM
> >To: augusto.carneiro@terra.com.br; phildlm@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
> >
> >I once bought a saddle at Performance and they told me I could install
> >and
> >try it on my bike at home, then return it if it didn't work. They told
> >me
> >to wrap the rails in tape so they didn't get scratched up, and that the
> >saddle had to come back looking new. It worked for me so I never took
> >advantage of their return offer.
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >
> > >From: "Augusto Carneiro"
> > >Reply-To: augusto.carneiro@terra.com.br
> > >To: "'Phil de la Motte'" ,
> > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
> > >Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:08:17 -0700
> > >
> > >I have the same complaint - why won't a local bike shop set up bikes on
> > >trainers, with a variety of saddles to choose from? Seems like that
> >would
> > >attract a lot of riders to experiment.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Augusto
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > >From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > >Behalf Of Phil de la Motte
> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:48 PM
> > >To: obra@list.obra.org
> > >Subject: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >OBRA-land,
> > >
> > >I've had a Selle Italia Evo for the last 3 years and it's getting
> > >progressively more uncomfortable. Not sure if that's due to the
> >increase
> > >in
> > >weekly miles I'm putting on it, or if the saddle firmness is wearing
> >out.
> > >Maybe I'm just getting older too. Anyway since I haven't found a place
> >
> > >that
> > >will let me try various saddles before buying, has anyone found a
> > >particular
> > >model of racing saddle that's a really good fit and comfortable?
> >Curious
> > >if
> > >there's any overall concensus even though we all come in different
> >shapes
> > >and sizes...
> > >
> > >Phil de la Motte
> > >
> >
> >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >OBRA mailing list
> > >obra@list.obra.org
> > >http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > >Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> >
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>
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Dave German

2006-04-05

Hold down the flame Tim. You are stepping into some testy territory.

I guess I failed to mention I have also supported at least a dozen or so
other local shops over the last dozen years I have lived here. And failed
to mention I bought it at a local Performance shop, employing local
riders/racers. So are you dissing them too for working at a big box?

Yea I shop at Performance SOMETIMES. And River City sometimes. And whoever
else has what I want in stock. And I support the little guys too. Been
working with Multnomah Bikes for years, Gary is one of the best mechanics
around. Weir's sponsors my team, so I support them too. I'm guessing RC is
your choice based on the discount you get, right? So why not spread it
around to the little guy. RC is not going anywhere, they are one of the
biggest in town, a town with just about as many bike shops as coffee joints.
I'm guessing you may be from Vancouver as your with CRV, if so why make
the trip to RC when you have smaller shops to support on that side of the
river? So using your logic - if Performance is the Walmart of the US, then
isn't RC the Walmart of the Portland market?

And speaking of online shopping - I'm sure most of the people on this list
have shopped online at least once. Why? Sometimes you can't get what you
want locally or the price is just too low to pass up. Hey, sometimes baby
needs new shoes too. This could turn into another thread with all the
for/against issues concerning online shopping.

Dave

>From: "Tim Schauer"
>To: "Dave German" ,
>, ,
>
>Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
>Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:58:12 -0700
>
>Not only is supporting your local shops for your saddle choice a good
>idea because many of them support us by supporting OBRA and our racing
>community .....
>
>Our team sponsor included (THANK YOU River City Bicycles!),...
>
>BUT, it is also a good idea because I think they have a very similar
>policy called "saddle comfort guarantee" or something similar. I think
>you'll find you can't beat your local bike shops for service by
>shopping/shipping at Walmoart .... uh... I meant Perfromance online.
>
>-Tim Schauer, Columbia River Velo.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
>Behalf Of Dave German
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:47 PM
>To: augusto.carneiro@terra.com.br; phildlm@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
>
>I once bought a saddle at Performance and they told me I could install
>and
>try it on my bike at home, then return it if it didn't work. They told
>me
>to wrap the rails in tape so they didn't get scratched up, and that the
>saddle had to come back looking new. It worked for me so I never took
>advantage of their return offer.
>
>Dave
>
>
> >From: "Augusto Carneiro"
> >Reply-To: augusto.carneiro@terra.com.br
> >To: "'Phil de la Motte'" ,
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
> >Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:08:17 -0700
> >
> >I have the same complaint - why won't a local bike shop set up bikes on
> >trainers, with a variety of saddles to choose from? Seems like that
>would
> >attract a lot of riders to experiment.
> >
> >
> >
> >Augusto
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> >Behalf Of Phil de la Motte
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:48 PM
> >To: obra@list.obra.org
> >Subject: [OBRA Chat] Saddle Recommendations?
> >
> >
> >
> >OBRA-land,
> >
> >I've had a Selle Italia Evo for the last 3 years and it's getting
> >progressively more uncomfortable. Not sure if that's due to the
>increase
> >in
> >weekly miles I'm putting on it, or if the saddle firmness is wearing
>out.
> >Maybe I'm just getting older too. Anyway since I haven't found a place
>
> >that
> >will let me try various saddles before buying, has anyone found a
> >particular
> >model of racing saddle that's a really good fit and comfortable?
>Curious
> >if
> >there's any overall concensus even though we all come in different
>shapes
> >and sizes...
> >
> >Phil de la Motte
> >
>
>
> >_______________________________________________
> >OBRA mailing list
> >obra@list.obra.org
> >http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>
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