George Hincapie's major mechanical

AK 47

2006-04-11

i think the kevin bacon dismount would have worked pretty well too, as long
as he didnt get run over from behind. quicksilver anyone?!

>From: Chris Brandt
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] George Hincapie's major mechanical
>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:10:27 -0700
>
>I remember reading an article by Bob Roll from several years ago, I forget
>where. Anyways, he was telling a similar tale of racing Paris Roubaix and
>having his stem break in one particularly rough section of cobbles. His
>solution for escaping a seriously painful crash was to ride towards the
>largest Belgian spectator, preferrably the sturdy working class type, and
>dive into his arms. And there he ended up, like a damsel in distress,
>gazing into the eyes of his hero.
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Chris Brandt

2006-04-11

I remember reading an article by Bob Roll from several years ago, I forget where. Anyways, he was telling a similar tale of racing Paris Roubaix and having his stem break in one particularly rough section of cobbles. His solution for escaping a seriously painful crash was to ride towards the largest Belgian spectator, preferrably the sturdy working class type, and dive into his arms. And there he ended up, like a damsel in distress, gazing into the eyes of his hero.


MathewB@dowa.com

2006-04-11

Hincapies fall on oln web............

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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:42 AM
To: David Hart; Dan Houghton
Cc: obra@list.obra.org; Brad Cockman, DC
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] George Hincapie's major mechanical

It is a good rule. Someone could get killed going around the gate, and
Flecha was quoted in Cycling News as saying that when he was in the
Boonen group, he started to go around the gate to continue the chase and
Boonen grabbed him and stopped him. Her said that if Boonen had not
done so he would have been under the train because it came by just about
the time he would have been halfway across. It is a rule to maintain
safety, and just because Hoste and the others were able to make it, does
not mean you want to encourage that behavior as it almost cost Flecha
his life in pursuing them. The reason why they did not penalize Boonen
is because the safety issue was moot once the train had passed.

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of David Hart
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:51 AM
To: Dan Houghton
Cc: obra@list.obra.org; Brad Cockman, DC
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] George Hincapie's major mechanical

If he hadn't been on the cobles, he probably would have come out a lot
better injury wise.

As for the DQ, didn't Boonen go around the gates too? It just so
happens it was after the train but the rules stated that you had to stop
at the gate. 5 of them should be DQ'd not the 4. Bummer for Discovery,
that would have been nice making up for Hincapies accident.

On 4/10/06, Dan Houghton wrote:

"The rules are there to be interpreted" They can be interpreted one way
if you are on an American team and another if you are (French).

----- Original Message -----

From: Brad Cockman, DC

To: obra@list.obra.org

Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:00 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] George Hincapie's major mechanical

If his steer tube broke like they said it did, he probably dropped his
bars and sat up abruptly to avoid going otb. Didn't look to me like
there was any steer tube left on his bike. Guess he's going in for
surgery on his scapula? Bummer. Would've loved to have seen him and
Cancellara (that swiss kid) duke it out in the finale.

Think the disqualification will be reversed?

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Schreck, George

2006-04-11

It is a good rule. Someone could get killed going around the gate, and
Flecha was quoted in Cycling News as saying that when he was in the
Boonen group, he started to go around the gate to continue the chase and
Boonen grabbed him and stopped him. Her said that if Boonen had not
done so he would have been under the train because it came by just about
the time he would have been halfway across. It is a rule to maintain
safety, and just because Hoste and the others were able to make it, does
not mean you want to encourage that behavior as it almost cost Flecha
his life in pursuing them. The reason why they did not penalize Boonen
is because the safety issue was moot once the train had passed.

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Behalf Of David Hart
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:51 AM
To: Dan Houghton
Cc: obra@list.obra.org; Brad Cockman, DC
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] George Hincapie's major mechanical

If he hadn't been on the cobles, he probably would have come out a lot
better injury wise.

As for the DQ, didn't Boonen go around the gates too? It just so
happens it was after the train but the rules stated that you had to stop
at the gate. 5 of them should be DQ'd not the 4. Bummer for Discovery,
that would have been nice making up for Hincapies accident.


On 4/10/06, Dan Houghton wrote:

"The rules are there to be interpreted" They can be interpreted
one way if you are on an American team and another if you are (French).


----- Original Message -----
From: Brad Cockman, DC
To: obra@list.obra.org

Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] George Hincapie's major mechanical


If his steer tube broke like they said it did, he probably
dropped his bars and sat up abruptly to avoid going otb. Didn't look to
me like there was any steer tube left on his bike. Guess he's going in
for surgery on his scapula? Bummer. Would've loved to have seen him and
Cancellara (that swiss kid) duke it out in the finale.

Think the disqualification will be reversed?


Brad Cockman, DC
Chiropractic Locum Tenens
Race Director
Bend Memorial Clinic Cascade Cycling Classic
www.cascade-classic.org
www.mbsef.org

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Joel Wilson

2006-04-11

Regarding interpreting rules, if the gate's down the gate's down. There's
no flagger there that's going to stop the train, come on. On the other
hand, when you're racing, you're racing. They made their decision and went
with it. You don't stop to listen to the birdies. I particularly liked
Boonen's comment in the cyclingnews interview:

*CN:* How did you enjoy standing there when the gates were shut?

*TB:* "Normally you don't have the chance to look around like that. The
birds were flying, the sun was shining and a train passed us, it was
beautiful. Then the gates opened and we started off racing again." (wry
smile)
True, it wasn't fair. But bike racing often isn't fair.

Regarding the steerer: "it's aluminium; it's been blasted then anodized
black" (Scott Daubert, CN).

While anodizing is a very good corrosion inhibitor and increases abraision
resistance greatly, it has been shown to reduce fatigue properties of
aluminum, a material that is particularly susceptible to fatigue failure
when pushed to its limits. Anodized coating is actually a thin ceramic
oxide film that can vary in thickness up to a few thousands of an inch
(about the thickness of a sheet of paper) depending on the process. It is
very hard and brittle. Thicker anodizing bonds very well to the aluminum
substrate but won't flex along with it. If the aluminum is flexed, the
coating cracks, which can initiate failure of the substrate (aluminum).

Please understand that this is just a theory of what could have lead to the
dissapointing separation of Hincapie's steerer. The crash earlier in the
race was likely far more of a factor, but there's also evidence out there
demonstrating that anodized coatings are not always your friend, especially
in a fatigue situation (like cobbles after a wreck).

- Joel

On 4/10/06, Dan Houghton wrote:
>
> "The rules are there to be interpreted" They can be interpreted one way
> if you are on an American team and another if you are (French).
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Brad Cockman, DC
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2006 11:00 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] George Hincapie's major mechanical
>
> If his steer tube broke like they said it did, he probably dropped his
> bars and sat up abruptly to avoid going otb. Didn't look to me like there
> was any steer tube left on his bike. Guess he's going in for surgery on his
> scapula? Bummer. Would've loved to have seen him and Cancellara (that swiss
> kid) duke it out in the finale.
>
> Think the disqualification will be reversed?
>
>
> Brad Cockman, DC
> Chiropractic Locum Tenens
> Race Director
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Eric Kytola

2006-04-11

Leif, Vladi and Peter all went through the crossing. Flecha, Tom and
Ballan were all stopped. if the 6 of them left the train stop together
(as should have been) Tom would have got 2nd anyway. that is why the
leading 3 deserve the DQ.

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Behalf Of Lisa Mellinger
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:27 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] George Hincapie's major mechanical

Does anyone out there think that if it had been any other team but
Discovery that there wouldn't have been the DQ? Just food for thought...

Dan Houghton wrote:

"The rules are there to be interpreted" They can be interpreted
one way if you are on an American team and another if you are (French).

----- Original Message -----
From: Brad Cockman, DC
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] George Hincapie's major
mechanical

If his steer tube broke like they said it did, he
probably dropped his bars and sat up abruptly to avoid going otb. Didn't
look to me like there was any steer tube left on his bike. Guess he's
going in for surgery on his scapula? Bummer. Would've loved to have seen
him and Cancellara (that swiss kid) duke it out in the finale.

Think the disqualification will be reversed?


Brad Cockman, DC
Chiropractic Locum Tenens
Race Director
Bend Memorial Clinic Cascade Cycling Classic
www.cascade-classic.org

www.mbsef.org

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Lisa Mellinger

2006-04-11

Does anyone out there think that if it had been any other team but Discovery that there wouldn't have been the DQ? Just food for thought...

Dan Houghton wrote: "The rules are there to be interpreted" They can be interpreted one way if you are on an American team and another if you are (French).
----- Original Message -----
From: Brad Cockman, DC
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] George Hincapie's major mechanical

If his steer tube broke like they said it did, he probably dropped his bars and sat up abruptly to avoid going otb. Didn't look to me like there was any steer tube left on his bike. Guess he's going in for surgery on his scapula? Bummer. Would've loved to have seen him and Cancellara (that swiss kid) duke it out in the finale.

Think the disqualification will be reversed?

Brad Cockman, DC
Chiropractic Locum Tenens
Race Director
Bend Memorial Clinic Cascade Cycling Classic
www.cascade-classic.org
www.mbsef.org

POB 6693
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David Hart

2006-04-11

I meant the 4 total should have been DQ'd-(there wasn't five law breakers :
)

On 4/11/06, David Hart wrote:
>
> If he hadn't been on the cobles, he probably would have come out a lot
> better injury wise.
>
> As for the DQ, didn't Boonen go around the gates too? It just so happens
> it was after the train but the rules stated that you had to stop at the
> gate. 5 of them should be DQ'd not the 4. Bummer for Discovery, that would
> have been nice making up for Hincapies accident.
>
>
> On 4/10/06, Dan Houghton wrote:
> >
> > "The rules are there to be interpreted" They can be interpreted one way
> > if you are on an American team and another if you are (French).
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Brad Cockman, DC
> > *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> > *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2006 11:00 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] George Hincapie's major mechanical
> >
> >
> > If his steer tube broke like they said it did, he probably dropped his
> > bars and sat up abruptly to avoid going otb. Didn't look to me like there
> > was any steer tube left on his bike. Guess he's going in for surgery on his
> > scapula? Bummer. Would've loved to have seen him and Cancellara (that swiss
> > kid) duke it out in the finale.
> >
> > Think the disqualification will be reversed?
> >
> >
> > Brad Cockman, DC
> > Chiropractic Locum Tenens
> > Race Director
> > Bend Memorial Clinic Cascade Cycling Classic
> > www.cascade-classic.org
> > www.mbsef.org
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> > Bend, Or. 97708
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David Hart

2006-04-11

If he hadn't been on the cobles, he probably would have come out a lot
better injury wise.

As for the DQ, didn't Boonen go around the gates too? It just so happens it
was after the train but the rules stated that you had to stop at the gate.
5 of them should be DQ'd not the 4. Bummer for Discovery, that would have
been nice making up for Hincapies accident.

On 4/10/06, Dan Houghton wrote:
>
> "The rules are there to be interpreted" They can be interpreted one way
> if you are on an American team and another if you are (French).
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Brad Cockman, DC
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2006 11:00 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] George Hincapie's major mechanical
>
>
> If his steer tube broke like they said it did, he probably dropped his
> bars and sat up abruptly to avoid going otb. Didn't look to me like there
> was any steer tube left on his bike. Guess he's going in for surgery on his
> scapula? Bummer. Would've loved to have seen him and Cancellara (that swiss
> kid) duke it out in the finale.
>
> Think the disqualification will be reversed?
>
>
> Brad Cockman, DC
> Chiropractic Locum Tenens
> Race Director
> Bend Memorial Clinic Cascade Cycling Classic
> www.cascade-classic.org
> www.mbsef.org
>
> POB 6693
> Bend, Or. 97708
> 541.280.0777
> brad21@gmail.com
>
> bendcycling-subscribe@topica.com
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Dan Houghton

2006-04-10

"The rules are there to be interpreted" They can be interpreted one way if you are on an American team and another if you are (French).
----- Original Message -----
From: Brad Cockman, DC
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] George Hincapie's major mechanical

If his steer tube broke like they said it did, he probably dropped his bars and sat up abruptly to avoid going otb. Didn't look to me like there was any steer tube left on his bike. Guess he's going in for surgery on his scapula? Bummer. Would've loved to have seen him and Cancellara (that swiss kid) duke it out in the finale.

Think the disqualification will be reversed?

Brad Cockman, DC
Chiropractic Locum Tenens
Race Director
Bend Memorial Clinic Cascade Cycling Classic
www.cascade-classic.org
www.mbsef.org

POB 6693
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Brad Cockman, DC

2006-04-10

If his steer tube broke like they said it did, he probably dropped his bars
and sat up abruptly to avoid going otb. Didn't look to me like there was any
steer tube left on his bike. Guess he's going in for surgery on his scapula?
Bummer. Would've loved to have seen him and Cancellara (that swiss kid) duke
it out in the finale.

Think the disqualification will be reversed?

Brad Cockman, DC
Chiropractic Locum Tenens
Race Director
Bend Memorial Clinic Cascade Cycling Classic
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www.mbsef.org

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Dan Houghton

2006-04-10

From my "armchair" it seemed he sat up and dropped the handlebars and they
fell into the front wheel tossing him off. He may have had a slim chance for
a better landing if he had held on to the bar, kept the power on, and kept
weight on the front wheel by not sitting up abruptly.
I've seen half a bar break in a crit that was brought in to the pit with a
wheels down landing.
Yeah, if that was me, I could have rode it out and then out powered that
French kid.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bret Berner"
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Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:06 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] George Hincapie's major mechanical

> Has everyone seen the video of George Hincapie's major mechanical in the
> Paris-Roubaix.
>
> How would you save your self in that situation besides the look ma no
> hands
> method.
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Bret Berner

2006-04-10

Has everyone seen the video of George Hincapie's major mechanical in the
Paris-Roubaix.

How would you save your self in that situation besides the look ma no hands
method.