Newbie question: "BRAKE!"

Dan Houghton

2006-04-20

I have not read all the replies nor will I so if this has been covered, I apologize.
There is almost no reason to ever use a brake at PIR. Almost all your speed control can be done by pedaling force (or lack thereof) and or sitting up or moving laterally to catch more air.
The only time you should need to brake is if someone up the road does something squirrelly. There is certainly no reason to shout "BRAKE" if everyone is awake and looking ahead as they should be. I have sometimes caught myself being "asleep" or "hypnotized" and been jarred awake by sqweely noises only to find I did not know where I was on the course or in the pack. I hate that!
----- Original Message -----
From: KG
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:18 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Newbie question: "BRAKE!"

At PIR in the Cat 4/5 race about every mile everyone would yell "BRAKE" and some form of chaos would ensue. Is this typical of most races or just new riders not pacing properly? I feathered my brake once when I knew no one was behind me and the guy next to me yelld, "BRAKE".

Of-course eventually there was a wreck from an overlapped wheel so maybe the yell is the lesser of two evils?

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Jerald M Powell

2006-04-20

I'm sorry, I have to say something that's apparently unpopular... but
I'm not sure that sounding any alarm is really a good idea. First,
because it's terribly unreliable (what to say, whether it'll be
heard, etc.) Secondly, because it's each rider's responsibility to be
aware of hazards (holes, dogs, squirrely riders, edge of pavement,
curbs). Thirdly, because bicycle racing often requires close
attention... sometimes intense concentration... and vocal alarms
invade that space and draw a riders attention, sometimes increasing
the danger inherent to a hazard. Fourth, were there actually a
"dangerous situation" the rider approaching it ought to be responding
to it, rather than yelling brake or slow or fire or whatever.

On the positive side... I've maintained for years that the only safe
way to race is to be watching what's happening a good deal in front
of you, maybe several riders in front. You don't have to look down
because the riders ahead will let you know by where they're going
where its safe to ride. If there's slowing, you'll see the pack
widening out and compressing.

I've got to say one other thing. Bike racing is about trust as much
as anything else. You have to trust the wheel in front of you. That
doesn't mean that it's OK to overlap it... just that you have to
trust it to go where it's safe to go. If by chance that wheel is
under an untrustworthy rider... find another wheel to sit on or go to
the front.

With respect to where in a pack to ride... if it's a matter of just
"sitting in" for a while, you'll notice that there's often a "head"
to a pack where the most aggressive riders are. That's generally
where there will be the most action. Then there will be a secondary
body which is often the biggest group but often less organized; then
there will be a number of riders stringing out behind them. The
safest (and in my experience,the most energy efficient) place to
position yourself in is probably at or near the front of that second
group. The caveat is that when the active group at the front gets
really active, you may be obliged to lead the chase.

Jerry

On Apr 20, 2006, at 12:17 PM, Edward Kendrick Sr wrote:

> "Brake" was used in the north east, during the '80's. Although
> I've adapted to "slowing," the one sylable word seems better,
> because it's easier to say, when you're gasping for air. Why don't
> we try it?
>
> "Keith A. Prior" wrote:
> I always thought people screamed "SLOWING"!!
>
> Is "BRAKE" something new?
>
> -K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On Behalf Of Lee Bautista
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:04 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Newbie question: "BRAKE!"
>
> I appreciate this post. I was the one who crashed because of all
> the crazy braking going on. I've touched wheels before and if
> everyone's calm it usually self corrects. When I touched wheels
> Tuesday I was completely calm pretty much soft pedaling to slow
> down. Alas, my wheel was knocked out due to either the person hard
> braking or not holding his line. The guy behind me went down too.
>
> To answer your question, I think this will be typical with these
> larger groups. In the race of the 11th I counted maybe one or two
> times the pace slowed enough to use a brake. Of course the field
> was smaller. This weeks was much different. There wasn't a real
> need for the consistent accordian effect we were in. I, too wish to
> know why all the surges that night. What a mess. My friend says
> keeping a solid pace is not what happens in cat 5. Why not?
>
> But I'm not complaining ... Heck, even the pro's crash. It's part
> of the game we choose to play and I'll take my lumps.
>
> Though, in the future I'll put less trust in the guy in front of
> me. My notion that people know what they're doing cost me a lot in
> road rash, bruises, torn clothes, and a tweaked pedal. Thanks so
> much to the OBRA guy who washed my wounds and dug rocks out of my
> elbows!! That helped a lot.
>
> Oh! for the computer geeks out there: My garmin edge had us going
> 24 mph on that straighaway, 19 mph at impact, HR was 180 bpm. It
> was neat to see the graph's superfast decline on impact and where I
> skidded on the pavement. ouch.
>
> Still. Can't wait for next race. (should be okay with braking, it's
> an ITT). I learned a lot from this last one. Follow your gut. Don't
> trust that wheel in front of you. If the group can keep their heads
> on straight, hold your line, soft pedal instead of braking; that
> would make for a better race. It can be fun. Thanks OBRA. See y'all
> out there again :)
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of KG
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:19 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Newbie question: "BRAKE!"
>
> At PIR in the Cat 4/5 race about every mile everyone would yell
> "BRAKE" and some form of chaos would ensue. Is this typical of
> most races or just new riders not pacing properly? I feathered my
> brake once when I knew no one was behind me and the guy next to me
> yelld, "BRAKE".
>
> Of-course eventually there was a wreck from an overlapped wheel so
> maybe the yell is the lesser of two evils?
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Curt Dewees

2006-04-20

On 4/20/06, KG wrote:

> (Funny that I thought hangin in back was safer
>

Hanging in the back may be easier, but it's definitely not safer. The more
of the peloton that is massed in front of you (and around you), the greater
your chances of getting trapped in an unavoidable pile-up.

The key is to be such great shape that you can maintain your position near
the front, away from most of those chain-reaction type crashes. That's where
the real racing is. (Easier said than done!)


Edward Kendrick Sr

2006-04-20

"Brake" was used in the north east, during the '80's. Although I've adapted to "slowing," the one sylable word seems better, because it's easier to say, when you're gasping for air. Why don't we try it?

"Keith A. Prior" wrote: DIV { MARGIN: 0px } I always thought people screamed "SLOWING"!!

Is "BRAKE" something new?

-K

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]On Behalf Of Lee Bautista
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:04 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Newbie question: "BRAKE!"

I appreciate this post. I was the one who crashed because of all the crazy braking going on. I've touched wheels before and if everyone's calm it usually self corrects. When I touched wheels Tuesday I was completely calm pretty much soft pedaling to slow down. Alas, my wheel was knocked out due to either the person hard braking or not holding his line. The guy behind me went down too.

To answer your question, I think this will be typical with these larger groups. In the race of the 11th I counted maybe one or two times the pace slowed enough to use a brake. Of course the field was smaller. This weeks was much different. There wasn't a real need for the consistent accordian effect we were in. I, too wish to know why all the surges that night. What a mess. My friend says keeping a solid pace is not what happens in cat 5. Why not?

But I'm not complaining ... Heck, even the pro's crash. It's part of the game we choose to play and I'll take my lumps.

Though, in the future I'll put less trust in the guy in front of me. My notion that people know what they're doing cost me a lot in road rash, bruises, torn clothes, and a tweaked pedal. Thanks so much to the OBRA guy who washed my wounds and dug rocks out of my elbows!! That helped a lot.

Oh! for the computer geeks out there: My garmin edge had us going 24 mph on that straighaway, 19 mph at impact, HR was 180 bpm. It was neat to see the graph's superfast decline on impact and where I skidded on the pavement. ouch.

Still. Can't wait for next race. (should be okay with braking, it's an ITT). I learned a lot from this last one. Follow your gut. Don't trust that wheel in front of you. If the group can keep their heads on straight, hold your line, soft pedal instead of braking; that would make for a better race. It can be fun. Thanks OBRA. See y'all out there again :)


---------------------------------
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of KG
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:19 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Newbie question: "BRAKE!"


At PIR in the Cat 4/5 race about every mile everyone would yell "BRAKE" and some form of chaos would ensue. Is this typical of most races or just new riders not pacing properly? I feathered my brake once when I knew no one was behind me and the guy next to me yelld, "BRAKE".

Of-course eventually there was a wreck from an overlapped wheel so maybe the yell is the lesser of two evils?

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I think TD nailed it. We'd hit a headwind and bunch up. Being Cat 5 probably slows us down more than others. I'm sure many of the other comments were at issue too. (Funny that I thought hangin in back was safer only to find out you're at the end of a game of 'crack-the-whip'.)

Glad to see such good spirit of a person that went down. (I was the guy that briefly turned around to see if you were OK and then realized I'm blowing my 15 bucks. Shows you what a newbie I am.)

Thanks for all the great tips! Lookin' forward to the next one. -K

----- Original Message ----
From: "Long, Steve"
To: Lee Bautista ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Newbie question: "BRAKE!"

DIV { MARGIN: 0px } Surges can be a strategy for the guys in front trying to wear the guys in the middle and back down. The effort required to stay on amplifies as you go back in the pack. I'm not advocating it, just noting it.

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Lee Bautista
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:04 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Newbie question: "BRAKE!"


I appreciate this post. I was the one who crashed because of all the crazy braking going on. I've touched wheels before and if everyone's calm it usually self corrects. When I touched wheels Tuesday I was completely calm pretty much soft pedaling to slow down. Alas, my wheel was knocked out due to either the person hard braking or not holding his line. The guy behind me went down too.

To answer your question, I think this will be typical with these larger groups. In the race of the 11th I counted maybe one or two times the pace slowed enough to use a brake. Of course the field was smaller. This weeks was much different. There wasn't a real need for the consistent accordian effect we were in. I, too wish to know why all the surges that night. What a mess. My friend says keeping a solid pace is not what happens in cat 5. Why not?

But I'm not complaining ... Heck, even the pro's crash. It's part of the game we choose to play and I'll take my lumps.

Though, in the future I'll put less trust in the guy in front of me. My notion that people know what they're doing cost me a lot in road rash, bruises, torn clothes, and a tweaked pedal. Thanks so much to the OBRA guy who washed my wounds and dug rocks out of my elbows!! That helped a lot.

Oh! for the computer geeks out there: My garmin edge had us going 24 mph on that straighaway, 19 mph at impact, HR was 180 bpm. It was neat to see the graph's superfast decline on impact and where I skidded on the pavement. ouch.

Still. Can't wait for next race. (should be okay with braking, it's an ITT). I learned a lot from this last one. Follow your gut. Don't trust that wheel in front of you. If the group can keep their heads on straight, hold your line, soft pedal instead of braking; that would make for a better race. It can be fun. Thanks OBRA. See y'all out there again :)

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of KG
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:19 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Newbie question: "BRAKE!"


At PIR in the Cat 4/5 race about every mile everyone would yell "BRAKE" and some form of chaos would ensue. Is this typical of most races or just new riders not pacing properly? I feathered my brake once when I knew no one was behind me and the guy next to me yelld, "BRAKE".

Of-course eventually there was a wreck from an overlapped wheel so maybe the yell is the lesser of two evils?

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jakebigham

2006-04-20

The other one you will hear a lot is "SLOWING!" it is an auditory
equivalent to a brake light.
In 4-5 there is a lot of change in velocity for a variety of
reasons: fear of cornering at speed, difficulty in judging and
anticipating the flow of the pack, difficulty in maintaining speed
at the front because people are not as fit and don't understand about
how to turn over a paceline and difficulty in maintaining an effort
at the front. Then there is just plain old nerves. All this compounds
to create a "slinky" effect. The people who are in mid pack to the
back are constantly either powering hard to stay on, or breaking hard
when their front wheel is heading into a wall of bike shorts. The
further back you are - the worse it gets. It is potentially very
dangerous. If you were ever to brake hard, the people behind you
would be in big difficulty.
You will hear some experienced racers say "never brake" - which may
work OK for them in the 1-2-3 field where things are much smoother,
but for those of us in the low CATs some certain amount of braking
will be inevitable. Do your best to limit braking to an absolute
minimum, hold your line, don't get stuck in the center. Always try to
have a "way out"
On Apr 20, 2006, at 10:18 AM, KG wrote:

> At PIR in the Cat 4/5 race about every mile everyone would yell
> "BRAKE" and some form of chaos would ensue. Is this typical of
> most races or just new riders not pacing properly? I feathered my
> brake once when I knew no one was behind me and the guy next to me
> yelld, "BRAKE".
>
> Of-course eventually there was a wreck from an overlapped wheel so
> maybe the yell is the lesser of two evils?
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Eric Kytola

2006-04-20

are you sure they aren't yelling "BREAK"!!

________________________________

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Keith A. Prior
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:09 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Newbie question: "BRAKE!"

I always thought people screamed "SLOWING"!!

Is "BRAKE" something new?

-K

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]On Behalf Of Lee Bautista
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:04 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Newbie question: "BRAKE!"


I appreciate this post. I was the one who crashed because of all
the crazy braking going on. I've touched wheels before and if everyone's
calm it usually self corrects. When I touched wheels Tuesday I was
completely calm pretty much soft pedaling to slow down. Alas, my wheel
was knocked out due to either the person hard braking or not holding his
line. The guy behind me went down too.

To answer your question, I think this will be typical with these
larger groups. In the race of the 11th I counted maybe one or two times
the pace slowed enough to use a brake. Of course the field was smaller.
This weeks was much different. There wasn't a real need for the
consistent accordian effect we were in. I, too wish to know why all the
surges that night. What a mess. My friend says keeping a solid pace is
not what happens in cat 5. Why not?

But I'm not complaining ... Heck, even the pro's crash. It's
part of the game we choose to play and I'll take my lumps.

Though, in the future I'll put less trust in the guy in front of
me. My notion that people know what they're doing cost me a lot in road
rash, bruises, torn clothes, and a tweaked pedal. Thanks so much to the
OBRA guy who washed my wounds and dug rocks out of my elbows!! That
helped a lot.

Oh! for the computer geeks out there: My garmin edge had us
going 24 mph on that straighaway, 19 mph at impact, HR was 180 bpm. It
was neat to see the graph's superfast decline on impact and where I
skidded on the pavement. ouch.

Still. Can't wait for next race. (should be okay with braking,
it's an ITT). I learned a lot from this last one. Follow your gut. Don't
trust that wheel in front of you. If the group can keep their heads on
straight, hold your line, soft pedal instead of braking; that would make
for a better race. It can be fun. Thanks OBRA. See y'all out there again
:)

________________________________

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of KG
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:19 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Newbie question: "BRAKE!"


At PIR in the Cat 4/5 race about every mile everyone would yell
"BRAKE" and some form of chaos would ensue. Is this typical of most
races or just new riders not pacing properly? I feathered my brake once
when I knew no one was behind me and the guy next to me yelld, "BRAKE".

Of-course eventually there was a wreck from an overlapped wheel
so maybe the yell is the lesser of two evils?


Long, Steve

2006-04-20

Surges can be a strategy for the guys in front trying to wear the guys
in the middle and back down. The effort required to stay on amplifies as
you go back in the pack. I'm not advocating it, just noting it.

________________________________

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Lee Bautista
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:04 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Newbie question: "BRAKE!"

I appreciate this post. I was the one who crashed because of all the
crazy braking going on. I've touched wheels before and if everyone's
calm it usually self corrects. When I touched wheels Tuesday I was
completely calm pretty much soft pedaling to slow down. Alas, my wheel
was knocked out due to either the person hard braking or not holding his
line. The guy behind me went down too.

To answer your question, I think this will be typical with these larger
groups. In the race of the 11th I counted maybe one or two times the
pace slowed enough to use a brake. Of course the field was smaller. This
weeks was much different. There wasn't a real need for the consistent
accordian effect we were in. I, too wish to know why all the surges that
night. What a mess. My friend says keeping a solid pace is not what
happens in cat 5. Why not?

But I'm not complaining ... Heck, even the pro's crash. It's part of the
game we choose to play and I'll take my lumps.

Though, in the future I'll put less trust in the guy in front of me. My
notion that people know what they're doing cost me a lot in road rash,
bruises, torn clothes, and a tweaked pedal. Thanks so much to the OBRA
guy who washed my wounds and dug rocks out of my elbows!! That helped a
lot.

Oh! for the computer geeks out there: My garmin edge had us going 24 mph
on that straighaway, 19 mph at impact, HR was 180 bpm. It was neat to
see the graph's superfast decline on impact and where I skidded on the
pavement. ouch.

Still. Can't wait for next race. (should be okay with braking, it's an
ITT). I learned a lot from this last one. Follow your gut. Don't trust
that wheel in front of you. If the group can keep their heads on
straight, hold your line, soft pedal instead of braking; that would make
for a better race. It can be fun. Thanks OBRA. See y'all out there again
:)

________________________________

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of KG
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:19 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Newbie question: "BRAKE!"

At PIR in the Cat 4/5 race about every mile everyone would yell "BRAKE"
and some form of chaos would ensue. Is this typical of most races or
just new riders not pacing properly? I feathered my brake once when I
knew no one was behind me and the guy next to me yelld, "BRAKE".

Of-course eventually there was a wreck from an overlapped wheel so maybe
the yell is the lesser of two evils?


Keith A. Prior

2006-04-20

I always thought people screamed "SLOWING"!!

Is "BRAKE" something new?

-K

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]On
Behalf Of Lee Bautista
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:04 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Newbie question: "BRAKE!"

I appreciate this post. I was the one who crashed because of all the crazy
braking going on. I've touched wheels before and if everyone's calm it
usually self corrects. When I touched wheels Tuesday I was completely calm
pretty much soft pedaling to slow down. Alas, my wheel was knocked out due
to either the person hard braking or not holding his line. The guy behind me
went down too.

To answer your question, I think this will be typical with these larger
groups. In the race of the 11th I counted maybe one or two times the pace
slowed enough to use a brake. Of course the field was smaller. This weeks
was much different. There wasn't a real need for the consistent accordian
effect we were in. I, too wish to know why all the surges that night. What a
mess. My friend says keeping a solid pace is not what happens in cat 5. Why
not?

But I'm not complaining ... Heck, even the pro's crash. It's part of the
game we choose to play and I'll take my lumps.

Though, in the future I'll put less trust in the guy in front of me. My
notion that people know what they're doing cost me a lot in road rash,
bruises, torn clothes, and a tweaked pedal. Thanks so much to the OBRA guy
who washed my wounds and dug rocks out of my elbows!! That helped a lot.

Oh! for the computer geeks out there: My garmin edge had us going 24 mph
on that straighaway, 19 mph at impact, HR was 180 bpm. It was neat to see
the graph's superfast decline on impact and where I skidded on the pavement.
ouch.

Still. Can't wait for next race. (should be okay with braking, it's an
ITT). I learned a lot from this last one. Follow your gut. Don't trust that
wheel in front of you. If the group can keep their heads on straight, hold
your line, soft pedal instead of braking; that would make for a better race.
It can be fun. Thanks OBRA. See y'all out there again :)

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of KG
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:19 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Newbie question: "BRAKE!"

At PIR in the Cat 4/5 race about every mile everyone would yell "BRAKE"
and some form of chaos would ensue. Is this typical of most races or just
new riders not pacing properly? I feathered my brake once when I knew no
one was behind me and the guy next to me yelld, "BRAKE".

Of-course eventually there was a wreck from an overlapped wheel so maybe
the yell is the lesser of two evils?


Lee Bautista

2006-04-20

I appreciate this post. I was the one who crashed because of all the
crazy braking going on. I've touched wheels before and if everyone's
calm it usually self corrects. When I touched wheels Tuesday I was
completely calm pretty much soft pedaling to slow down. Alas, my wheel
was knocked out due to either the person hard braking or not holding his
line. The guy behind me went down too.

To answer your question, I think this will be typical with these larger
groups. In the race of the 11th I counted maybe one or two times the
pace slowed enough to use a brake. Of course the field was smaller. This
weeks was much different. There wasn't a real need for the consistent
accordian effect we were in. I, too wish to know why all the surges that
night. What a mess. My friend says keeping a solid pace is not what
happens in cat 5. Why not?

But I'm not complaining ... Heck, even the pro's crash. It's part of the
game we choose to play and I'll take my lumps.

Though, in the future I'll put less trust in the guy in front of me. My
notion that people know what they're doing cost me a lot in road rash,
bruises, torn clothes, and a tweaked pedal. Thanks so much to the OBRA
guy who washed my wounds and dug rocks out of my elbows!! That helped a
lot.

Oh! for the computer geeks out there: My garmin edge had us going 24 mph
on that straighaway, 19 mph at impact, HR was 180 bpm. It was neat to
see the graph's superfast decline on impact and where I skidded on the
pavement. ouch.

Still. Can't wait for next race. (should be okay with braking, it's an
ITT). I learned a lot from this last one. Follow your gut. Don't trust
that wheel in front of you. If the group can keep their heads on
straight, hold your line, soft pedal instead of braking; that would make
for a better race. It can be fun. Thanks OBRA. See y'all out there again
:)

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of KG
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:19 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Newbie question: "BRAKE!"

At PIR in the Cat 4/5 race about every mile everyone would yell "BRAKE"
and some form of chaos would ensue. Is this typical of most races or
just new riders not pacing properly? I feathered my brake once when I
knew no one was behind me and the guy next to me yelld, "BRAKE".

Of-course eventually there was a wreck from an overlapped wheel so maybe
the yell is the lesser of two evils?


At PIR in the Cat 4/5 race about every mile everyone would yell "BRAKE" and some form of chaos would ensue. Is this typical of most races or just new riders not pacing properly? I feathered my brake once when I knew no one was behind me and the guy next to me yelld, "BRAKE".

Of-course eventually there was a wreck from an overlapped wheel so maybe the yell is the lesser of two evils?