Ron and Dorothy Strasser

OBRAland... below is one reply I received. I think PIR will go nowhere
soon.
Thank you for the input Ron. As the Portland City Commissioner in charge of
Portland Parks and Recreation (the owner of PIR), Dan supports PIR and knows
it is a valuable asset to our region and Parks' mission. Mayor Tom Potter
asked Dan to look at options for moving PIR and Dan is complying with that
request. It is important to note that Dan has strong skepticism regarding
the feasibility of moving PIR and is not promoting the idea. He will
continue to support PIR and its activities and looks forward to a summer of
racing.

Thanks again and feel free to contact us at any time.

Matthew Grumm
Office of Commissioner Dan Saltzman
Portland Parks and Recreation Liaison
1221 SW 4th Room 230
Portland, OR 97204
503-823-4151

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven B"
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:40 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] PIR on the move

> Evan wasn't blowing smoke. In an article in last
> weekends Boregonian, Mayor Potter actually asked the
> parks department to look into moving PIR. "The mayor
> wants the bureau to look into putting the noisy track
> in an industrial area". As the threads mentioned,
> wasn't that area an "industrial area" to begin with??
> Full story at http://tinyurl.com/lwdoo
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Edward Kendrick Sr

PIR, like the New Orleans water front, is one of the few places, where I don't fall off the back. Being able to occasionally stay with the group is very good for my morale.

"Schreck, George" wrote: Is this an attempt by those people to repopulate the area as the Katrina flood victims are trying to do in the 9th Ward in New Orleans? ;-)

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Delta Park/Vanport was a thriving ethnic wartime community until the disastrous flood of May 30 1948.

http://www.universitypark.org/vanport/

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Michael O'Hair"

> If you've wandered around out by PIR, it is still definitely industrial. It
> would be interesting to see who is really complaining.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven B"
>
> "The mayor
> > wants the bureau to look into putting the noisy track
> > in an industrial area". As the threads mentioned,
> > wasn't that area an "industrial area" to begin with??
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Apparently, the city is starting to dump money into the Kenton area.
This may have something to do with the new interest in moving PIR.

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-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Steven B
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:40 AM
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] PIR on the move

Evan wasn't blowing smoke. In an article in last
weekends Boregonian, Mayor Potter actually asked the
parks department to look into moving PIR. "The mayor
wants the bureau to look into putting the noisy track
in an industrial area". As the threads mentioned,
wasn't that area an "industrial area" to begin with??
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Long, Steve

Monty,
Me thinks you have one of the best arguments of all:

"take advantage of all the wonderful possibilities a city has to offer"

Perhaps Mayor Potter needs to hear it?

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Monty Hill
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:31 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR on the move

The neighborhood that complains about the noise is actually across I-5.
I had friends that lived there and the champ cars were a noticable
distraction, but in my mind and their's as well, this is part of living
in the city. Compromising with others to take advantage of all the
wonderful possibilities a city has to offer. The people who complain
should move to Montana with the separatist, not to pick on Montana, but
they should get out of the city. I am reminded of the guy who moved
next to Ainsworth School and had the audacity to complain about band
practice. Or the idiots who complain about noise, when they moved next
to an outdoor amphitheater such as the Rose Garden. I am sure there are
people who moved in next to PGE park and complain about the fireworks,
and the people that it draws. These people have no business living in a
city.

Come on Potter, in regard to PIR why are you wasting your time to
accommodate a few whiners for an issue that happens 3 days out of 365.
The track adds to the livabilty and vitality of our city. It is
entertainment and why should I have to travel an hour to support some
rural region, when I can take the max and enjoy some good racing.

Montgomery J. Hill
Associate

TVA Architects Inc.
920 SW Sixth Avenue, Suite 1500
Portland Oregon 97204

phone. 503.220.0668

www.tvapdx.com

>>> "Long, Steve" 4/27/2006 9:05 am >>>
That information should be of public record.

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
Behalf Of Michael O'Hair
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:02 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR on the move

If you've wandered around out by PIR, it is still definitely industrial.
It would be interesting to see who is really complaining.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven B"

"The mayor
> wants the bureau to look into putting the noisy track in an
industrial

> area". As the threads mentioned, wasn't that area an "industrial
area"

> to begin with??

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Steve Brown

Consider this. If car racing moves, the city can say it just built a
new bike racing park for $300,000 less than the last skate park.
Just where do you think the city will get the money to take out the old
track at PIR. Due to the elevation I doubt that this will be housing.
The next large development is the Ikea complex at the airport. Car
racing may go, but I but you guys have a bike racing park for life.

Steve Brown
On Apr 27, 2006, at 9:25 AM, Jay Rideout wrote:

> Just like many things... just follow the money. I
> sure that a building produces many more revenue
> dollars, per square foot, then a race track. Problem
> is that this same logic has wiped out a lot of nice
> open spaces in high density metropolitan areas.
> Jay
>
> --- "Long, Steve" wrote:
>
>> That information should be of public record.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
>> Behalf Of Michael O'Hair
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:02 AM
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR on the move
>>
>> If you've wandered around out by PIR, it is still
>> definitely industrial.
>> It would be interesting to see who is really
>> complaining.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steven B"
>>
>> "The mayor
>>> wants the bureau to look into putting the noisy
>> track in an industrial
>>
>>> area". As the threads mentioned, wasn't that area
>> an "industrial area"
>>
>>> to begin with??
>>
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Monty Hill

The neighborhood that complains about the noise is actually across I-5.
I had friends that lived there and the champ cars were a noticable
distraction, but in my mind and their's as well, this is part of living
in the city. Compromising with others to take advantage of all the
wonderful possibilities a city has to offer. The people who complain
should move to Montana with the separatist, not to pick on Montana, but
they should get out of the city. I am reminded of the guy who moved
next to Ainsworth School and had the audacity to complain about band
practice. Or the idiots who complain about noise, when they moved next
to an outdoor amphitheater such as the Rose Garden. I am sure there are
people who moved in next to PGE park and complain about the fireworks,
and the people that it draws. These people have no business living in a
city.

Come on Potter, in regard to PIR why are you wasting your time to
accommodate a few whiners for an issue that happens 3 days out of 365.
The track adds to the livabilty and vitality of our city. It is
entertainment and why should I have to travel an hour to support some
rural region, when I can take the max and enjoy some good racing.

Montgomery J. Hill
Associate

TVA Architects Inc.
920 SW Sixth Avenue, Suite 1500
Portland Oregon 97204

phone. 503.220.0668

www.tvapdx.com

>>> "Long, Steve" 4/27/2006 9:05 am >>>
That information should be of public record.

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
Behalf Of Michael O'Hair
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:02 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR on the move

If you've wandered around out by PIR, it is still definitely
industrial.
It would be interesting to see who is really complaining.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven B"

"The mayor
> wants the bureau to look into putting the noisy track in an
industrial

> area". As the threads mentioned, wasn't that area an "industrial
area"

> to begin with??

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Jay Rideout

Just like many things... just follow the money. I
sure that a building produces many more revenue
dollars, per square foot, then a race track. Problem
is that this same logic has wiped out a lot of nice
open spaces in high density metropolitan areas.
Jay

--- "Long, Steve" wrote:

> That information should be of public record.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael O'Hair
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:02 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR on the move
>
> If you've wandered around out by PIR, it is still
> definitely industrial.
> It would be interesting to see who is really
> complaining.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven B"
>
> "The mayor
> > wants the bureau to look into putting the noisy
> track in an industrial
>
> > area". As the threads mentioned, wasn't that area
> an "industrial area"
>
> > to begin with??
>
>
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Is this an attempt by those people to repopulate the area as the Katrina
flood victims are trying to do in the 9th Ward in New Orleans? ;-)

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Behalf Of jboquiren@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:19 AM
To: Michael O'Hair; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR on the move

Delta Park/Vanport was a thriving ethnic wartime community until the
disastrous flood of May 30 1948.

http://www.universitypark.org/vanport/

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Michael O'Hair"

> If you've wandered around out by PIR, it is still definitely
industrial. It
> would be interesting to see who is really complaining.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven B"
>
> "The mayor
> > wants the bureau to look into putting the noisy track
> > in an industrial area". As the threads mentioned,
> > wasn't that area an "industrial area" to begin with??
>
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http://www.universitypark.org/vanport/

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Michael O'Hair"

> If you've wandered around out by PIR, it is still definitely industrial. It
> would be interesting to see who is really complaining.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven B"
>
> "The mayor
> > wants the bureau to look into putting the noisy track
> > in an industrial area". As the threads mentioned,
> > wasn't that area an "industrial area" to begin with??
>
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Long, Steve

That information should be of public record.

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Michael O'Hair
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:02 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] PIR on the move

If you've wandered around out by PIR, it is still definitely industrial.
It would be interesting to see who is really complaining.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven B"

"The mayor
> wants the bureau to look into putting the noisy track in an industrial

> area". As the threads mentioned, wasn't that area an "industrial area"

> to begin with??

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Michael O'Hair

If you've wandered around out by PIR, it is still definitely industrial. It
would be interesting to see who is really complaining.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven B"

"The mayor
> wants the bureau to look into putting the noisy track
> in an industrial area". As the threads mentioned,
> wasn't that area an "industrial area" to begin with??

Randy Dreiling

My guess is:
A. These people really are that bored and whinny
OR
B. Someone has plans for that general area and this is
phase two now that they have pretty much shut down the
horse track right across the road.

--- Steven B wrote:

> Evan wasn't blowing smoke. In an article in last
> weekends Boregonian, Mayor Potter actually asked the
> parks department to look into moving PIR. "The mayor
> wants the bureau to look into putting the noisy
> track
> in an industrial area". As the threads mentioned,
> wasn't that area an "industrial area" to begin
> with??
> Full story at http://tinyurl.com/lwdoo
>
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Evan wasn't blowing smoke. In an article in last
weekends Boregonian, Mayor Potter actually asked the
parks department to look into moving PIR. "The mayor
wants the bureau to look into putting the noisy track
in an industrial area". As the threads mentioned,
wasn't that area an "industrial area" to begin with??
Full story at http://tinyurl.com/lwdoo

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