smclaughry

Perhaps it's time to re-direct the conversation to a topic more relevant to the subject line.

Have you contacted your State Senator in support of Senate Bill 926 yet?

http://www.leg.state.or.us/writelegsltr/

If so, how about contacting the Governor's Office?

Have you visited www.portlandvelodrome.org and pledged your support?

Alternatively, if you feel that your time would be better spent arguing about which town deserves the title of "Oregon's Second Largest City", feel free.

-stephen

----- Original Message ----
From: Craig Austin
To: KO Kevin ; Rick Johnson ; kevin@verboort.org
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 10:59:22 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] velodrome

This is no $hit, hands down, the dumbest argument I've ever seen on this
email list.

Craig Austin

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of KO Kevin
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 8:56 PM
To: Rick Johnson; kevin@verboort.org
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] velodrome

At the risk of beating this to death, there are 6 Metropolitan
Statistical Areas in Oregon, as determined by the US Department of Urban
Development (In alpha order): Bend MSA, Corvallis MSA,
Eugene-Springfield MSA, Medford MSA, Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton MSA,
Salem MSA. Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton is the most populous (by far)
and Eugene-Springfield is the second most populous MSA in Oregon.

Kevin

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2000 population top ten ranking, by county:

1. Multnomah 662,400
2. Washington 449,250
3. Clackamas 340,000
4. Lane 323,950
5. Marion 286,300
6. Jackson 182,200
7. Deschutes 116,600
8. Linn 103,350
9. Douglas 100,500
10. Yamhill 85,500

2040 estimated population top ten ranking, by county:

1. Washington 920,852
2. Multnomah 842,009
3. Clackamas 620,703
4. Lane 471,511
5. Marion 448,671
6. Jackson 297,496
7. Deschutes 257,088
8. Yamhill 166,776
9. Linn 146,260
10. Douglas 140,619

Source: Oregon Office of Economic Analysis

KO Kevin wrote:

Eugene/Springfield is the second largest metropolitan area in
Oregon. Yes, it's larger than Salem/Keizer. And because the only thing
that separates the two cities is the width of I-5, it makes a hell of a
lot more sense to say Eugene/Springfield than Seattle/Tacoma or
Portland/Salem. We are, indeed, joined at the hip. Yes, there has been
talk at the grassroots level about building a velodrome in our area.
And you are correct that it really comes down to a matter of dollars and
cents.

I don't doubt that the population of our area can support a
velodrome. I do have concerns whether we can generate the public
funding support for such an undertaking. A private/public partnership
is more likely to yield results. A reasonable scenario is if the public
sector put up the land and provide management/maintenance services
through a parks district, and funding for design and construction be
raised through private donors.

I would love to see something like this gain momentum in
Eugene/Springfield. And yes, I would donate my time to help it happen.

Kevin Ko

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Van Dyke
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 4:25 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] velodrome

No offense intended, but Eugene is not the second largest city,
Salem is. Eugene is the third largest in Oregon. Saying
Eugene-Springfield is almost as irritating as saying Seattle-Tacoma.
You might as well say Portland-Salem. Sorry, I digress.

Eugene is centrally located? Tell that to Bend (or Prineville!)
If by centrally located you mean the center of population, it's not that
either. There is a comparitively large population in the Portland metro
area that skews your claim.

Regardless of size of a city, or geographic location, it boils
down to dollars and cents. There must be a large enough population
close enough to your proposed venue that are willing to foot the bill,
either through tax support, or admissions and sponsorships, or
combination of all three.

Has anyone ever talked about building a velodrome in Eugene?
Probably.

Talk however is cheap........... facilities are built with
dollars.

Like I said, no offense intended whatsoever. I just want to
help clarify some reasons why it hasn't happened.

Kevin

>
>Doug Turnbull wrote:
> After reading all these excited emails about building
two new
>velodromes in Portland and southern Oregon, I am
curious as to why
>Eugene is not one of the proposed sites.
Eugene/Springfield is the
>second largest city in the state, we have a large
cycling community,
>and we are centrally located geographically. I
certainly think the
>proposal to build more velodromes is fantastic, but I
am just
>wondering (with a bit of jealousy) why Portland and
southern Oregon
>were picked instead of my town. Has there ever been
talk of building
>one here?
>
>-Doug
>

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