KO Kevin

Yeah, I know...but I felt that I owe it to Rick to admit I was wrong. I
sent my previous reply from home last night, but when I went to my HUD
data sets this morning I found the following population figures (2003
data):

Portland/Vancouver/Beaverton MSA --- 2,040,279
Salem MSA --- 364,674
Eugene/Springfield MSA --- 330,012
Medford MSA --- 190,380
Bend MSA --- 129,546
Corvallis MSA --- 79,149

Thanks all for your tolerance. Rick, I owe you a beer!

Kevin Ko
Housing Programs Specialist
(541) 726-2302
(541) 741-2763 fax

Development Services
City of Springfield
225 Fifth Street, 97477
http://www.ci.springfield.or.us

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Johnson [mailto:RCJohnson1@attglobal.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 10:08 PM
To: KO Kevin
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] velodrome

You call that beating it to death? Come on, quote some numbers to go
with the MSAs if you're going that far... that will truly beating it to
death!
;-)

(I'd like to hear 'em, but perhaps I'm the only one...)

Rick

KO Kevin wrote:

>At the risk of beating this to death, there are 6 Metropolitan
Statistical Areas in Oregon, as determined by the US Department of Urban
Development (In alpha order): Bend MSA, Corvallis MSA,
Eugene-Springfield MSA, Medford MSA, Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton MSA,
Salem MSA. Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton is the most populous (by far)
and Eugene-Springfield is the second most populous MSA in Oregon.
>
>Kevin
>
>________________________
>
>2000 population top ten ranking, by county:
>
>
>1. Multnomah 662,400
>2. Washington 449,250
>3. Clackamas 340,000
>4. Lane 323,950
>5. Marion 286,300
>6. Jackson 182,200
>7. Deschutes 116,600
>8. Linn 103,350
>9. Douglas 100,500
>10. Yamhill 85,500
>
>
>2040 estimated population top ten ranking, by county:
>
>
>1. Washington 920,852
>2. Multnomah 842,009
>3. Clackamas 620,703
>4. Lane 471,511
>5. Marion 448,671
>6. Jackson 297,496
>7. Deschutes 257,088
>8. Yamhill 166,776
>9. Linn 146,260
>10. Douglas 140,619
>
>Source: Oregon Office of Economic Analysis
>
>
>KO Kevin wrote:
>
> Eugene/Springfield is the second largest metropolitan area in
Oregon. Yes, it's larger than Salem/Keizer. And because the only thing
that separates the two cities is the width of I-5, it makes a hell of a
lot more sense to say Eugene/Springfield than Seattle/Tacoma or
Portland/Salem. We are, indeed, joined at the hip. Yes, there has been
talk at the grassroots level about building a velodrome in our area.
And you are correct that it really comes down to a matter of dollars and
cents.
>
>
>
> I don't doubt that the population of our area can support a
velodrome. I do have concerns whether we can generate the public
funding support for such an undertaking. A private/public partnership
is more likely to yield results. A reasonable scenario is if the public
sector put up the land and provide management/maintenance services
through a parks district, and funding for design and construction be
raised through private donors.
>
>
>
> I would love to see something like this gain momentum in
Eugene/Springfield. And yes, I would donate my time to help it happen.
>
>
>
> Kevin Ko
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Van Dyke
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 4:25 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] velodrome
>
>
>
> No offense intended, but Eugene is not the second largest city,
Salem is. Eugene is the third largest in Oregon. Saying
Eugene-Springfield is almost as irritating as saying Seattle-Tacoma.
You might as well say Portland-Salem. Sorry, I digress.
>
>
>
> Eugene is centrally located? Tell that to Bend (or Prineville!)
If by centrally located you mean the center of population, it's not that
either. There is a comparitively large population in the Portland metro
area that skews your claim.
>
>
>
> Regardless of size of a city, or geographic location, it boils
down to dollars and cents. There must be a large enough population
close enough to your proposed venue that are willing to foot the bill,
either through tax support, or admissions and sponsorships, or
combination of all three.
>
>
>
> Has anyone ever talked about building a velodrome in Eugene?
Probably.
>
> Talk however is cheap........... facilities are built with
dollars.
>
>
>
> Like I said, no offense intended whatsoever. I just want to
help clarify some reasons why it hasn't happened.
>
>
>
> Kevin
>
> >
> >Doug Turnbull wrote:
> > After reading all these excited emails about building
two new
> >velodromes in Portland and southern Oregon, I am
curious as to why
> >Eugene is not one of the proposed sites.
Eugene/Springfield is the
> >second largest city in the state, we have a large
cycling community,
> >and we are centrally located geographically. I
certainly think the
> >proposal to build more velodromes is fantastic, but I
am just
> >wondering (with a bit of jealousy) why Portland and
southern Oregon
> >were picked instead of my town. Has there ever been
talk of building
> >one here?
> >
> >-Doug
> >
>
>
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