Edward Kendrick Sr
In this age of downsizing, outsourcing, and multitasking, most folks who travel choose to get fat and take years off of their lives. The fallout of part-time residents, who are brave enough to rebel against this trend, should be welcomed with open arms, when they get the chance to do any OBRA race.
Additionally, this category of rider may have to pay for OBRA and USCF licenses, so please have a little mercy.
jakebigham wrote:
Just curious- Washington just had their state champs this past wked. what is their policy towards non-residents? Are you sure about the CA. not allowing non-residents (is that even what you are implying- I could tell for sure) ? Their instructions for entry makes it look like out of state entries are OK. Anyone know?
-Jake
On May 9, 2007, at 12:42 PM, cbsnaik@aol.com wrote:
For proof of residence:
If you race in wash or Ca, you have to have a USCF liscence, and that says your state of residence on it. If that doesnt say oregon as your residing state, then you shouldnt be able to do a Or state championship, or win any Or state leaders jerseys in the NRC races. You should have to have a Or drivers license I think. I think most everyone has one of those. I dont see why we should feel bad about excluding people who dont live here. California wont let you race in their championship races unless you live there, I dont see why we should have it differently.
chris
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shrink wrap the new truck in. Candi ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:20:08 -0700 From: Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships To: OBRA Message-ID: <985047543.1178576408786.JavaMail.root@fepweb09> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Message-ID: Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify? Dave M ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:22:41 -0700 From: James Thomas Subject: [OBRA Chat] Good News from the Mayors office To: obra@list.obra.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It looks like that check I write to the city of Portland every 3 months is doing something.... CITY OF PORTLAND,
OREGON Tom Potter, Mayor TO: Commissioner Sam Adams Commissioner Randy Leonard Commissioner Dan Saltman Commissioner Erik Sten Auditor Gary Blackmer FROM: Mayor Tom Potter DATE: May 7,2007 SUBJECT: Additional One-Time Revenue for FY 2007-08 Approved Budget OMF has advised me of S2 million in additional revenue in FY 2006-07 from higher than expected business license receipts. These funds were received and reported following the April 15 business tax filing deadline. This will result in 52 million in additional one- time funds for FY 2007-08. The timing of this good news fits well with budget approval on May 16, Council Execs met last week and developed a list of currently unfunded priority requests to include in the Approved Budget. These indude: Wordstock Event S100,OOO Commissioner Sten School/Family/HousingI nitiative S30.000 Commissioner Sten * 2417 T Support for Fire $70,000 Commissioner Sten Platinum Bicycle Master
Plan S 100,000 Commissioner Adams Artspartners S 100,000 Commissioner Adams Bumside Couch Enhancement Planning $500,000 Cormmissioner Adam These requests total $900,000. 1 am directing OMF to include these items in the "change memo" they are distributing today. We will use this as the basis for approving the Proposed Budget as amended by the change memo. Additionally, the Parks Bureau is tabling $450,000 in requests for Westmodand Park current1 y included in the Proposed Budget until next year when engineering studies are completed. Instead, the change memo should reflect the following requests for Parks: Tree Policy & Code Project $260,336 Commissioner Sal tzman City Nature Trail Planning $45,379 Commissioner Saltzman Parks Service Level Work S80,OOO Commissioner Saltzman Westmoreland Stadium Engineering $65.000 Commissioner Saltzman In addition to the requests that can now be funded, there are other requests that are important to the
Council and the community and that have already received scrutiny in the FY 2007-08 budget process. I propose that these i terns should be considered for priority funding in the fail BUMP if additional one-time funds are realized at year-end. I'm also asking OMF to include in the revised financial policies that we'll consider in June a provision that dedicates at least 25% of unanticipated ending fund balance, as determined by OMF and reported in the fall Budget Monitoring Process, to capital expenditures as an important step to begin funding our unmet asset management needs. Here's a partial list, and I welcome your input on others, so that we together develop a list of requests that will be the first to be funded with any additional one- time funds in the fall. Additional cost of archives center at PSU above what's been budgeted. Balance of original request for visioning and strategic planning, once Council adopts the vision.
Emergency operations center or regional training center facility costs if sites are identified- Funds that may be needed to acquire buildings or other assets that Multnomah County may not need, assisting the City in its needs for facilities while providing the County with additional one-time funds. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.obra.org/posts/obra/attachments/20070507/3e939dce/attachment.htm ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:31:32 -0700 From: "Candi Murray" Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships To: , Message-ID: <000601c790f7$77120520$9601a8c0@8A287A4ADEF0487> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from calling them the State
Championships and just calling them the OBRA championships Candi -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of masessa@charter.net Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM To: OBRA Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships ------------------------------ Message: 6 Message-ID: Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other Oregon races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to
be an Oregon resident to qualify? Dave M _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:37:32 -0700 From: "Laurel Gitlen" Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB: 10 spd derailleurs To: obra@list.obra.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed looking for some cheap derailleurs that will run with DA-10 speed - used 105's would be great. email me offlist laurelgitlenatgmail.com thanks! L ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:49:30 -0700 From: "Mike Murray" Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships To: "'OBRA'" Message-ID:
<00b001c790fa$0d13be90$9901a8c0@MikeLT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The problem lies in defining "Oregon resident". Do people who live in Vancouver and race frequently and only in Oregon count? What do we use as proof of residence? Drivers license? What if they don't have one? Mailing address? Anyone can have a PO Box. We have opted for the simplest definition, annual OBRA member. Alternative definitions could be proposed. Mike Murray -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of masessa@charter.net Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 15:20 PM To: OBRA Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships ------------------------------ Message: 9 Message-ID: Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the = recent past? The
reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in = at least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license = and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong = to me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he = might come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other = Oregon races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify? Dave M _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:54:46 -0700 From: "Tim Schauer" Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships To: , , Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-) -Tim Schauer -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Candi Murray Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA championships Candi -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of masessa@charter.net Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM To: OBRA Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
------------------------------ Message: 11 Message-ID: Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other Oregon races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify? Dave M _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list
obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:00:29 -0700 From: Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships To: OBRA Message-ID: <1199702399.1178578829729.JavaMail.root@fepweb09> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 If it's going to be a "State Championship" it could be just residents. But, I agree it would suck to exclude our neighbors (like Yreka also) who support OBRA every year. Maybe you should have to have a license at the start of the season to qualify for a Championship placing. This may be a rare case since the championship race was in S. Oregon this year and more Californians came up. I just hate seeing OBRA people bumped out by a one time racer from Cali. Maybe we could charge them triple for an annual license. j/k ---- Mike Murray
wrote: > The problem lies in defining "Oregon resident". Do people who live in > Vancouver and race frequently and only in Oregon count? What do we use as > proof of residence? Drivers license? What if they don't have one? Mailing > address? Anyone can have a PO Box. We have opted for the simplest > definition, annual OBRA member. Alternative definitions could be proposed. > > Mike Murray > > -----Original Message----- > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On > Behalf Of masessa@charter.net > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 15:20 PM > To: OBRA > Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships > > > From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State > Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license > holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the recent > past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at > least one case, someone from
Central California bought an annual license and > took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong to > me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might > come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other Oregon > races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to > qualify? Dave M _______________________________________________ > OBRA mailing list > obra@list.obra.org > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > OBRA mailing list > obra@list.obra.org > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:03:27 -0700 From: tackyglueit Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships To: "Tim Schauer"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges? On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote: > > Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time > OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good > OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-) > > -Tim Schauer > > -----Original Message----- > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On > Behalf Of Candi Murray > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM > To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships > > Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over > 230 come from California or
Washington. I have tried to get away from > calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA > championships Candi > > -----Original Message----- > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On > Behalf Of masessa@charter.net > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM > To: OBRA > Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships > > From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State > Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license > holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the > recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring > Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an > annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). > This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that > reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him > listed as doing any other
Oregon races. > Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify? > Dave M > _______________________________________________ > OBRA mailing list > obra@list.obra.org > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > OBRA mailing list > obra@list.obra.org > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > _______________________________________________ > OBRA mailing list > obra@list.obra.org > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.obra.org/posts/obra/attachments/20070507/7ceb2d06/attachment.htm ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:22:45 -0700 (PDT) From: hutchsraceteam Subject: Re:
[OBRA Chat] State Championships To: obra@list.obra.org Message-ID: <340590.76744.qm@web51404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I see value on both sides. One could easily argue that if one races frequently in the Seattle area during the year that they should be eligible for the USCF Washington State Championship? I think a good compromise would be to restrict the Championship based on OBRA participation. The problem is coming up with a way to administer it. I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being eligible for the Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show up and buy a membership and take home the Championship. There are other Championships available for other riders from other organizations or levels. Historically I realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost had a rider from the Tour of Italy win the regional title. AP tackyglueit
wrote: why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges? On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote: Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-) -Tim Schauer -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Candi Murray Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA championships Candi
-----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On Behalf Of masessa@charter.net Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM To: OBRA Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships ------------------------------ Message: 15 Message-ID: Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other Oregon races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify? Dave M
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tackyglueit wrote:
why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges?
On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer <TSchauer@mackaysposito.com> wrote:Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)
-Tim Schauer
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just calling
them the OBRA
championships Candi
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State
Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
reason or he thought he might come
up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Chris King Single Speed Hub To: obra@list.obra.org Message-ID: <463fb79559b9_4aaf15a38064ce7069@lizard.tmail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 New in box. Black Chris King single speed disc rear hub. Includes 18 tooth King cog. $300 ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:36:12 -0700 (PDT) From: STEVEN R HOLLAND Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships To: hutchsraceteam , obra@list.obra.org Message-ID: <317153.14995.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Before ya all get to upset about this matter.....Check out what the medal says "OBRA" Championship.....not "Oregon State" Championship. Like Candi said, these are "OBRA" championships not state championships. That being said, I would suggest no one be eligible to win a medal after buying the OBRA membership on the day of the race....... hutchsraceteam
wrote: I see value on both sides. One could easily argue that if one races frequently in the Seattle area during the year that they should be eligible for the USCF Washington State Championship? I think a good compromise would be to restrict the Championship based on OBRA participation. The problem is coming up with a way to administer it. I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being eligible for the Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show up and buy a membership and take home the Championship. There are other Championships available for other riders from other organizations or levels. Historically I realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost had a rider from the Tour of Italy win the regional title. AP tackyglueit wrote: why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state
you live in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges? On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote: Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-) -Tim Schauer -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Candi Murray Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA championships Candi -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM To: OBRA Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships ------------------------------ Message: 18 Message-ID: Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other Oregon races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify? Dave M _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe:
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hutchsraceteam wrote:
I see value on both sides. One could easily argue that if one races frequently in the Seattle area
during the year that they should be eligible for the USCF Washington State Championship? I think a good compromise would be to restrict the Championship based on OBRA participation. The problem is coming up with a way to administer it.I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being eligible for the Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show up and buy a membership and take home the Championship. There are other Championships available for other riders from other organizations or levels. Historically I realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost had a rider from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.
AP
tackyglueit wrote:
why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges?
On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer <TSchauer@mackaysposito.com> wrote:Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)
-Tim
Schauer
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
championships Candi
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State
Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 23:36:11 +0000 From: gschreckchat@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships To: tackyglueit , "Tim Schauer" Cc: obra@list.obra.org Message-ID: <050720072336.7935.463FB7EB0006F8B600001EFF22165258569B0E080C050C0A9D080C9C09@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Because it is an OBRA Championship, not a state championship. Given the fact that the Portland metropolitan area includes Vancouver, I think those people belong, and the Three Rivers team lives in Longview, just across the river and put on the Three Rivers Road Race in Rainier, Oregon. I do not think it would be fair to exclude them. In fact, there are people all along the Columbia like Dave Zimbleman who consistently race in Oregon, and OBRA was certainly proud of his National Championship. This is not to ignore people in Northern California who race in Oregon as
well. Lets not be parochial and welcome everyone, and if they are the better racer, I guess we have to live with it. I think we are the better for their participation. I realize that Washington has a different rule, but there is no reason to follow their narrrow perspective. Also, they probably do not have a large contingent of out of state racers compared to Oregon, so it may be less of an issue. -- George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425 -------------- Original message -------------- From: tackyglueit why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges? On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote: Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good OBRA events up on
this side of the river too!...;-) -Tim Schauer -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Candi Murray Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA championships Candi -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On Behalf Of masessa@charter.net Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM To: OBRA Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships ------------------------------ Message: 20 Message-ID: Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license holder. Is that all that's
needed? And has this been examined in the recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other Oregon races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify? Dave M _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org
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From: tackyglueit
why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges?
On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer <TSchauer@mackaysposito.com>
wrote:Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)
-Tim Schauer
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Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
calling
them the State Championships and jus t call ing them the OBRA
championships Candi
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Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State
Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just
for that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Idaho... or California and takes advantage of what promoters have to offer, then they should be eligible to win OBRA Championships. Joe C. tackyglueit wrote: > why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing > outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship > privileges? > > > > On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote: > > > > Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time > > OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good > > OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-) > > > > -Tim Schauer > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On > > Behalf Of Candi Murray > > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM > > To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships > > > > Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032
riders currently jut over > > 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from > > calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA > > championships Candi > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On > > Behalf Of masessa@charter.net > > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM > > To: OBRA > > Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships > > > > From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State > > Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license > > holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the > > recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring > > Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an > > annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). > > This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that > > reason or
he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him > > listed as doing any other Oregon races. > > Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify? > > Dave M > > _______________________________________________ > > OBRA mailing list > > obra@list.obra.org > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OBRA mailing list > > obra@list.obra.org > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > _______________________________________________ > > OBRA mailing list > > obra@list.obra.org > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:56:04 -0700 From: Jim Cavalieri Subject: [OBRA Chat] Sold Chris King
Single Speed Hub To: obra@list.obra.org Message-ID: <463fbc947d2af_4aac15a96ab986a0107c@lizard.tmail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 The hub is sold. ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:57:21 -0700 From: "Guy Smith" Subject: [OBRA Chat] (no subject) To: Message-ID: <000f01c79103$75288e30$0300a8c0@FAMILY> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Chris King hubs mavic open pro rims tufo clincher tubular tires all great shape, 450.00 Mavic Ksyrium Elite`s, like new with hutchinson clincher`s 400.00 Guy Smith skippi@opusnet.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.obra.org/posts/obra/attachments/20070507/7aea9cf3/attachment.htm ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 16:02:26 -0700 From: "Dave Masessa" Subject: [OBRA Chat] Emailing: medals
001.jpg To: "OBRA" Message-ID: <000701c79032$9e1c0730$e2288d4b@yourm5d4u9r2uv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.obra.org/posts/obra/attachments/20070507/6abe8326/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: medals 001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 63020 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.obra.org/posts/obra/attachments/20070507/6abe8326/medals001.jpg ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 20:18:56 -0700 From: David Auker Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: Championship jerseys To: obra@list.obra.org Message-ID: <463FEC20.9010006@hevanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Candi Murray wrote: > Is it time to redesign our jersey? What are your thoughts? If so, anyone > want to take this
on? > Candi I'd like to see them white 'n yellow, safe colors in traffic. Then they could be worn in pride even in dimly-lit conditions, a visible statement for racing AND safety! David ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:50:53 -0700 From: "Long, Steve" Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW: Platinum Bike Master Plan To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just in case this didn't get out to the list Sweet. ________________________________ From: Van Keuren, Jeremy (Mayor's Office) [mailto:jvankeuren@ci.portland.or.us] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 2:48 PM To: Van Keuren, Jeremy (Mayor's Office) Subject: Platinum Bike Master Plan <<...OLE_Obj...>> Office of Mayor Tom Potter City of Portland Greetings: You are receiving this email in response to your
concerns that the Platinum Bicycle Master Plan was not included in Mayor Potter's initial proposed budget. The City's Office of Management and Finance has reported an additional (and unexpected) $2 million in revenue for FY 06-07. This gives Mayor Potter the opportunity to fund several important projects that were not included in the initial proposed budget. This will include the Platinum Bicycle Master Plan. Please read the attached memo for more details. I appreciate your interest. Sincerely, Jeremy Van Keuren Public Advocate Office of Mayor Tom Potter Portland, Oregon 503-823-4125 jvankeuren@ci.portland.or.us <> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.obra.org/posts/obra/attachments/20070507/9f97d370/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Additionalonetime.pdf Type:
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