state champ residence

Edward Kendrick Sr

2007-05-10

In this age of downsizing, outsourcing, and multitasking, most folks who travel choose to get fat and take years off of their lives. The fallout of part-time residents, who are brave enough to rebel against this trend, should be welcomed with open arms, when they get the chance to do any OBRA race.

Additionally, this category of rider may have to pay for OBRA and USCF licenses, so please have a little mercy.

jakebigham wrote:
Just curious- Washington just had their state champs this past wked. what is their policy towards non-residents? Are you sure about the CA. not allowing non-residents (is that even what you are implying- I could tell for sure) ? Their instructions for entry makes it look like out of state entries are OK. Anyone know?
-Jake
On May 9, 2007, at 12:42 PM, cbsnaik@aol.com wrote:

For proof of residence:
If you race in wash or Ca, you have to have a USCF liscence, and that says your state of residence on it. If that doesnt say oregon as your residing state, then you shouldnt be able to do a Or state championship, or win any Or state leaders jerseys in the NRC races. You should have to have a Or drivers license I think. I think most everyone has one of those. I dont see why we should feel bad about excluding people who dont live here. California wont let you race in their championship races unless you live there, I dont see why we should have it differently.

chris

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shrink wrap the new truck in. Candi ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:20:08 -0700 From: Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships To: OBRA Message-ID: <985047543.1178576408786.JavaMail.root@fepweb09> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Message-ID: Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify? Dave M ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:22:41 -0700 From: James Thomas Subject: [OBRA Chat] Good News from the Mayors office To: obra@list.obra.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It looks like that check I write to the city of Portland every 3 months is doing something.... CITY OF PORTLAND,
OREGON Tom Potter, Mayor TO: Commissioner Sam Adams Commissioner Randy Leonard Commissioner Dan Saltman Commissioner Erik Sten Auditor Gary Blackmer FROM: Mayor Tom Potter DATE: May 7,2007 SUBJECT: Additional One-Time Revenue for FY 2007-08 Approved Budget OMF has advised me of S2 million in additional revenue in FY 2006-07 from higher than expected business license receipts. These funds were received and reported following the April 15 business tax filing deadline. This will result in 52 million in additional one- time funds for FY 2007-08. The timing of this good news fits well with budget approval on May 16, Council Execs met last week and developed a list of currently unfunded priority requests to include in the Approved Budget. These indude: Wordstock Event S100,OOO Commissioner Sten School/Family/HousingI nitiative S30.000 Commissioner Sten * 2417 T Support for Fire $70,000 Commissioner Sten Platinum Bicycle Master
Plan S 100,000 Commissioner Adams Artspartners S 100,000 Commissioner Adams Bumside Couch Enhancement Planning $500,000 Cormmissioner Adam These requests total $900,000. 1 am directing OMF to include these items in the "change memo" they are distributing today. We will use this as the basis for approving the Proposed Budget as amended by the change memo. Additionally, the Parks Bureau is tabling $450,000 in requests for Westmodand Park current1 y included in the Proposed Budget until next year when engineering studies are completed. Instead, the change memo should reflect the following requests for Parks: Tree Policy & Code Project $260,336 Commissioner Sal tzman City Nature Trail Planning $45,379 Commissioner Saltzman Parks Service Level Work S80,OOO Commissioner Saltzman Westmoreland Stadium Engineering $65.000 Commissioner Saltzman In addition to the requests that can now be funded, there are other requests that are important to the
Council and the community and that have already received scrutiny in the FY 2007-08 budget process. I propose that these i terns should be considered for priority funding in the fail BUMP if additional one-time funds are realized at year-end. I'm also asking OMF to include in the revised financial policies that we'll consider in June a provision that dedicates at least 25% of unanticipated ending fund balance, as determined by OMF and reported in the fall Budget Monitoring Process, to capital expenditures as an important step to begin funding our unmet asset management needs. Here's a partial list, and I welcome your input on others, so that we together develop a list of requests that will be the first to be funded with any additional one- time funds in the fall. Additional cost of archives center at PSU above what's been budgeted. Balance of original request for visioning and strategic planning, once Council adopts the vision.
Emergency operations center or regional training center facility costs if sites are identified- Funds that may be needed to acquire buildings or other assets that Multnomah County may not need, assisting the City in its needs for facilities while providing the County with additional one-time funds. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.obra.org/posts/obra/attachments/20070507/3e939dce/attachment.htm ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:31:32 -0700 From: "Candi Murray" Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships To: , Message-ID: <000601c790f7$77120520$9601a8c0@8A287A4ADEF0487> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from calling them the State
Championships and just calling them the OBRA championships Candi -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of masessa@charter.net Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM To: OBRA Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships ------------------------------ Message: 6 Message-ID: Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other Oregon races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to
be an Oregon resident to qualify? Dave M _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:37:32 -0700 From: "Laurel Gitlen" Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB: 10 spd derailleurs To: obra@list.obra.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed looking for some cheap derailleurs that will run with DA-10 speed - used 105's would be great. email me offlist laurelgitlenatgmail.com thanks! L ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:49:30 -0700 From: "Mike Murray" Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships To: "'OBRA'" Message-ID:
<00b001c790fa$0d13be90$9901a8c0@MikeLT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The problem lies in defining "Oregon resident". Do people who live in Vancouver and race frequently and only in Oregon count? What do we use as proof of residence? Drivers license? What if they don't have one? Mailing address? Anyone can have a PO Box. We have opted for the simplest definition, annual OBRA member. Alternative definitions could be proposed. Mike Murray -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of masessa@charter.net Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 15:20 PM To: OBRA Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships ------------------------------ Message: 9 Message-ID: Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the = recent past? The
reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in = at least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license = and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong = to me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he = might come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other = Oregon races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify? Dave M _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:54:46 -0700 From: "Tim Schauer" Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships To: , , Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-) -Tim Schauer -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Candi Murray Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA championships Candi -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of masessa@charter.net Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM To: OBRA Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
------------------------------ Message: 11 Message-ID: Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other Oregon races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify? Dave M _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list
obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:00:29 -0700 From: Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships To: OBRA Message-ID: <1199702399.1178578829729.JavaMail.root@fepweb09> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 If it's going to be a "State Championship" it could be just residents. But, I agree it would suck to exclude our neighbors (like Yreka also) who support OBRA every year. Maybe you should have to have a license at the start of the season to qualify for a Championship placing. This may be a rare case since the championship race was in S. Oregon this year and more Californians came up. I just hate seeing OBRA people bumped out by a one time racer from Cali. Maybe we could charge them triple for an annual license. j/k ---- Mike Murray
wrote: > The problem lies in defining "Oregon resident". Do people who live in > Vancouver and race frequently and only in Oregon count? What do we use as > proof of residence? Drivers license? What if they don't have one? Mailing > address? Anyone can have a PO Box. We have opted for the simplest > definition, annual OBRA member. Alternative definitions could be proposed. > > Mike Murray > > -----Original Message----- > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On > Behalf Of masessa@charter.net > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 15:20 PM > To: OBRA > Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships > > > From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State > Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license > holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the recent > past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at > least one case, someone from
Central California bought an annual license and > took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong to > me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might > come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other Oregon > races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to > qualify? Dave M _______________________________________________ > OBRA mailing list > obra@list.obra.org > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > OBRA mailing list > obra@list.obra.org > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:03:27 -0700 From: tackyglueit Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships To: "Tim Schauer"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges? On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote: > > Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time > OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good > OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-) > > -Tim Schauer > > -----Original Message----- > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On > Behalf Of Candi Murray > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM > To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships > > Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over > 230 come from California or
Washington. I have tried to get away from > calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA > championships Candi > > -----Original Message----- > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On > Behalf Of masessa@charter.net > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM > To: OBRA > Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships > > From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State > Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license > holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the > recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring > Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an > annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). > This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that > reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him > listed as doing any other
Oregon races. > Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify? > Dave M > _______________________________________________ > OBRA mailing list > obra@list.obra.org > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > OBRA mailing list > obra@list.obra.org > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > _______________________________________________ > OBRA mailing list > obra@list.obra.org > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.obra.org/posts/obra/attachments/20070507/7ceb2d06/attachment.htm ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:22:45 -0700 (PDT) From: hutchsraceteam Subject: Re:
[OBRA Chat] State Championships To: obra@list.obra.org Message-ID: <340590.76744.qm@web51404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I see value on both sides. One could easily argue that if one races frequently in the Seattle area during the year that they should be eligible for the USCF Washington State Championship? I think a good compromise would be to restrict the Championship based on OBRA participation. The problem is coming up with a way to administer it. I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being eligible for the Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show up and buy a membership and take home the Championship. There are other Championships available for other riders from other organizations or levels. Historically I realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost had a rider from the Tour of Italy win the regional title. AP tackyglueit
wrote: why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges? On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote: Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-) -Tim Schauer -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Candi Murray Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA championships Candi
-----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On Behalf Of masessa@charter.net Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM To: OBRA Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships ------------------------------ Message: 15 Message-ID: Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other Oregon races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify? Dave M
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I see value on both sides. One could easily argue that if one races frequently in the Seattle area during the year that they should be eligible for the USCF Washington State Championship? I think a good compromise would be to restrict the Championship based on OBRA participation. The problem is coming up with a way to administer it.
I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being eligible for the Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show up and buy a membership and take home the Championship. There are other Championships available for other riders from other organizations or levels. Historically I realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost had a rider from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.

AP

tackyglueit wrote:

why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges?




On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer <TSchauer@mackaysposito.com> wrote:
Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just calling
them the OBRA
championships Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State
Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
reason or he thought he might come
up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. --0-1981777423-1178580165=:76744-- ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:34:45 -0700 From: Jim Cavalieri Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS
Chris King Single Speed Hub To: obra@list.obra.org Message-ID: <463fb79559b9_4aaf15a38064ce7069@lizard.tmail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 New in box. Black Chris King single speed disc rear hub. Includes 18 tooth King cog. $300 ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:36:12 -0700 (PDT) From: STEVEN R HOLLAND Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships To: hutchsraceteam , obra@list.obra.org Message-ID: <317153.14995.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Before ya all get to upset about this matter.....Check out what the medal says "OBRA" Championship.....not "Oregon State" Championship. Like Candi said, these are "OBRA" championships not state championships. That being said, I would suggest no one be eligible to win a medal after buying the OBRA membership on the day of the race....... hutchsraceteam
wrote: I see value on both sides. One could easily argue that if one races frequently in the Seattle area during the year that they should be eligible for the USCF Washington State Championship? I think a good compromise would be to restrict the Championship based on OBRA participation. The problem is coming up with a way to administer it. I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being eligible for the Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show up and buy a membership and take home the Championship. There are other Championships available for other riders from other organizations or levels. Historically I realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost had a rider from the Tour of Italy win the regional title. AP tackyglueit wrote: why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state
you live in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges? On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote: Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-) -Tim Schauer -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Candi Murray Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA championships Candi -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM To: OBRA Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships ------------------------------ Message: 18 Message-ID: Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other Oregon races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify? Dave M _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe:
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Before ya all get to upset about this matter.....Check out what the medal says "OBRA" Championship.....not "Oregon State" Championship. Like Candi said, these are "OBRA" championships not state championships.
That being said, I would suggest no one be eligible to win a medal after buying the OBRA membership on the day of the race.......

hutchsraceteam wrote:
I see value on both sides. One could easily argue that if one races frequently in the Seattle area
during the year that they should be eligible for the USCF Washington State Championship? I think a good compromise would be to restrict the Championship based on OBRA participation. The problem is coming up with a way to administer it.
I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being eligible for the Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show up and buy a membership and take home the Championship. There are other Championships available for other riders from other organizations or levels. Historically I realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost had a rider from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.


AP

tackyglueit wrote:

why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges?




On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer <TSchauer@mackaysposito.com> wrote:
Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)

-Tim
Schauer

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
championships Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State
Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 23:36:11 +0000 From: gschreckchat@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships To: tackyglueit , "Tim Schauer" Cc: obra@list.obra.org Message-ID: <050720072336.7935.463FB7EB0006F8B600001EFF22165258569B0E080C050C0A9D080C9C09@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Because it is an OBRA Championship, not a state championship. Given the fact that the Portland metropolitan area includes Vancouver, I think those people belong, and the Three Rivers team lives in Longview, just across the river and put on the Three Rivers Road Race in Rainier, Oregon. I do not think it would be fair to exclude them. In fact, there are people all along the Columbia like Dave Zimbleman who consistently race in Oregon, and OBRA was certainly proud of his National Championship. This is not to ignore people in Northern California who race in Oregon as
well. Lets not be parochial and welcome everyone, and if they are the better racer, I guess we have to live with it. I think we are the better for their participation. I realize that Washington has a different rule, but there is no reason to follow their narrrow perspective. Also, they probably do not have a large contingent of out of state racers compared to Oregon, so it may be less of an issue. -- George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425 -------------- Original message -------------- From: tackyglueit why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges? On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote: Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good OBRA events up on
this side of the river too!...;-) -Tim Schauer -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Candi Murray Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA championships Candi -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On Behalf Of masessa@charter.net Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM To: OBRA Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships ------------------------------ Message: 20 Message-ID: Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license holder. Is that all that's
needed? And has this been examined in the recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other Oregon races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify? Dave M _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org
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Because it is an OBRA Championship, not a state championship. Given the fact that the Portland metropolitan area includes Vancouver, I think those people belong, and the Three Rivers team lives in Longview, just across the river and put on the Three Rivers Road Race in Rainier, Oregon. I do not think it would be fair to exclude them. In fact, there are people all along the Columbia like Dave Zimbleman who consistently race in Oregon, and OBRA was certainly proud of his National Championship. This is not to ignore people in Northern California who race in Oregon as well.
Lets not be parochial and welcome everyone, and if they are the better racer, I guess we have to live with it. I think we are the better for their
participation.
I realize that Washington has a different rule, but there is no reason to follow their narrrow perspective. Also, they probably do not have a large contingent of out of state racers compared to Oregon, so it may be less of an issue.
--

George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425
-------------- Original message --------------
From: tackyglueit
why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges?




On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer <TSchauer@mackaysposito.com>
wrote:
Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
calling
them the State Championships and jus t call ing them the OBRA
championships Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State
Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just
for that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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_______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7935_1178580971_2-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7935_1178580971_0-- ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:47:50 -0700 From: "Joe Cipale" Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships To: tackyglueit Cc: obra@list.obra.org Message-ID: <200705072347.l47NloVs025978@sapphire.spiritone.com> Hoooboy... let the smack-down start... Many of us who live in Vancouver and race in OBRA because the nearest WA race is up North at Mason Lake. Otherwise we are looking at making long drives to race 'in state'. As long as I have been a member (going on 15 years now), OBRA has never excluded based on state of residence, nor should they. If a OBRA member lives in Washington... or
Idaho... or California and takes advantage of what promoters have to offer, then they should be eligible to win OBRA Championships. Joe C. tackyglueit wrote: > why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing > outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship > privileges? > > > > On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote: > > > > Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time > > OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good > > OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-) > > > > -Tim Schauer > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On > > Behalf Of Candi Murray > > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM > > To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships > > > > Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032
riders currently jut over > > 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from > > calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA > > championships Candi > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On > > Behalf Of masessa@charter.net > > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM > > To: OBRA > > Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships > > > > From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State > > Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license > > holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the > > recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring > > Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an > > annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). > > This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that > > reason or
he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him > > listed as doing any other Oregon races. > > Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify? > > Dave M > > _______________________________________________ > > OBRA mailing list > > obra@list.obra.org > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OBRA mailing list > > obra@list.obra.org > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > _______________________________________________ > > OBRA mailing list > > obra@list.obra.org > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:56:04 -0700 From: Jim Cavalieri Subject: [OBRA Chat] Sold Chris King
Single Speed Hub To: obra@list.obra.org Message-ID: <463fbc947d2af_4aac15a96ab986a0107c@lizard.tmail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 The hub is sold. ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:57:21 -0700 From: "Guy Smith" Subject: [OBRA Chat] (no subject) To: Message-ID: <000f01c79103$75288e30$0300a8c0@FAMILY> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Chris King hubs mavic open pro rims tufo clincher tubular tires all great shape, 450.00 Mavic Ksyrium Elite`s, like new with hutchinson clincher`s 400.00 Guy Smith skippi@opusnet.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.obra.org/posts/obra/attachments/20070507/7aea9cf3/attachment.htm ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 16:02:26 -0700 From: "Dave Masessa" Subject: [OBRA Chat] Emailing: medals
001.jpg To: "OBRA" Message-ID: <000701c79032$9e1c0730$e2288d4b@yourm5d4u9r2uv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.obra.org/posts/obra/attachments/20070507/6abe8326/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: medals 001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 63020 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.obra.org/posts/obra/attachments/20070507/6abe8326/medals001.jpg ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 20:18:56 -0700 From: David Auker Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: Championship jerseys To: obra@list.obra.org Message-ID: <463FEC20.9010006@hevanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Candi Murray wrote: > Is it time to redesign our jersey? What are your thoughts? If so, anyone > want to take this
on? > Candi I'd like to see them white 'n yellow, safe colors in traffic. Then they could be worn in pride even in dimly-lit conditions, a visible statement for racing AND safety! David ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:50:53 -0700 From: "Long, Steve" Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW: Platinum Bike Master Plan To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just in case this didn't get out to the list Sweet. ________________________________ From: Van Keuren, Jeremy (Mayor's Office) [mailto:jvankeuren@ci.portland.or.us] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 2:48 PM To: Van Keuren, Jeremy (Mayor's Office) Subject: Platinum Bike Master Plan <<...OLE_Obj...>> Office of Mayor Tom Potter City of Portland Greetings: You are receiving this email in response to your
concerns that the Platinum Bicycle Master Plan was not included in Mayor Potter's initial proposed budget. The City's Office of Management and Finance has reported an additional (and unexpected) $2 million in revenue for FY 06-07. This gives Mayor Potter the opportunity to fund several important projects that were not included in the initial proposed budget. This will include the Platinum Bicycle Master Plan. Please read the attached memo for more details. I appreciate your interest. Sincerely, Jeremy Van Keuren Public Advocate Office of Mayor Tom Potter Portland, Oregon 503-823-4125 jvankeuren@ci.portland.or.us <> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.obra.org/posts/obra/attachments/20070507/9f97d370/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Additionalonetime.pdf Type:
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2007-05-09

It has been interesting to see all your responses. It you feel strong enough
about it, write it up as a rule change and submit to for vote for the annual
meeting. Besides just the idea you will have to have a way of implementing
and policing.

Candi

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of cbsnaik@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:42 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] state champ residence

For proof of residence:

If you race in wash or Ca, you have to have a USCF liscence, and that says
your state of residence on it. If that doesnt say oregon as your residing
state, then you shouldnt be able to do a Or state championship, or win any
Or state leaders jerseys in the NRC races. You should have to have a Or
drivers license I think. I think most everyone has one of those. I dont
see why we should feel bad about excluding people who dont live here.
California wont let you race in their championship races unless you live
there, I dont see why we should have it differently.

chris


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4. Good News from the Mayors office (James Thomas)

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22. Sold Chris King Single Speed Hub (Jim Cavalieri)

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24. Emailing: medals 001.jpg (Dave Masessa)

25. Re: FW: Championship jerseys (David Auker)

26. FW: Platinum Bike Master Plan (Long, Steve)

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Message: 1

Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:54:21 -0700

From: "Candi Murray" >

Subject: [OBRA Chat] does anyone know who runs cyclingrocks.com?

To: >

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They have a picture I would like to shrink wrap the new truck in.

Candi

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Message: 2

Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:20:08 -0700

From: >

Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

To: OBRA >

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Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?

Dave M

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Message: 4

Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:22:41 -0700

From: James Thomas >

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Good News from the Mayors office

To: obra@list.obra.org

Message-ID: >

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It looks like that check I write to the city of Portland every 3

months is doing something....

CITY OF

PORTLAND, OREGON Tom Potter, Mayor

TO: Commissioner Sam Adams

Commissioner Randy Leonard

Commissioner Dan Saltman

Commissioner Erik Sten

Auditor Gary Blackmer

FROM: Mayor Tom Potter

DATE: May 7,2007

SUBJECT: Additional One-Time Revenue for FY 2007-08 Approved Budget

OMF has advised me of S2 million in additional revenue in FY 2006-07

from higher than expected

business license receipts. These funds were received and reported

following the April 15 business

tax filing deadline. This will result in 52 million in additional one-

time funds for FY 2007-08. The

timing of this good news fits well with budget approval on May 16,

Council Execs met last week and developed a list of currently

unfunded priority requests to include

in the Approved Budget. These indude:

Wordstock Event S100,OOO Commissioner Sten

School/Family/HousingI nitiative S30.000 Commissioner Sten

* 2417 T Support for Fire $70,000 Commissioner Sten

Platinum Bicycle Master Plan S 100,000 Commissioner Adams

Artspartners S 100,000 Commissioner Adams

Bumside Couch Enhancement Planning $500,000 Cormmissioner Adam

These requests total $900,000. 1 am directing OMF to include these

items in the "change memo"

they are distributing today. We will use this as the basis for

approving the Proposed Budget as

amended by the change memo.

Additionally, the Parks Bureau is tabling $450,000 in requests for

Westmodand Park current1 y

included in the Proposed Budget until next year when engineering

studies are completed. Instead,

the change memo should reflect the following requests for Parks:

Tree Policy & Code Project $260,336 Commissioner Sal tzman

City Nature Trail Planning $45,379 Commissioner Saltzman

Parks Service Level Work S80,OOO Commissioner Saltzman

Westmoreland Stadium Engineering $65.000 Commissioner Saltzman

In addition to the requests that can now be funded, there are other

requests that are important to the

Council and the community and that have already received scrutiny in

the FY 2007-08 budget

process. I propose that these i terns should be considered for

priority funding in the fail BUMP if

additional one-time funds are realized at year-end. I'm also asking

OMF to include in the revised

financial policies that we'll consider in June a provision that

dedicates at least 25% of unanticipated

ending fund balance, as determined by OMF and reported in the fall

Budget Monitoring Process, to

capital expenditures as an important step to begin funding our unmet

asset management needs.

Here's a partial list, and I welcome your input on others, so that we

together develop a list of

requests that will be the first to be funded with any additional one-

time funds in the fall.

Additional cost of archives center at PSU above what's been budgeted.

Balance of original request for visioning and strategic planning,

once Council adopts the

vision.

Emergency operations center or regional training center facility

costs if sites are identified-

Funds that may be needed to acquire buildings or other assets that

Multnomah County may

not need, assisting the City in its needs for facilities while

providing the County with

additional one-time funds.

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Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:31:32 -0700

From: "Candi Murray" >

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

To: >,
>

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Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over 230

come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from calling

them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA championships

Candi

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
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Behalf Of masessa@charter.net

Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM

To: OBRA

Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

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Message: 6

Message-ID: >

Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license

holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the recent

past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at

least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license and

took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong to

me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might

come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other Oregon

races.

Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?

Dave M

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Message: 7

Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:37:32 -0700

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB: 10 spd derailleurs

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Message: 8

Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:49:30 -0700

From: "Mike Murray" >

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

To: "'OBRA'" >

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The problem lies in defining "Oregon resident". Do people who live in

Vancouver and race frequently and only in Oregon count? What do we use as

proof of residence? Drivers license? What if they don't have one? Mailing

address? Anyone can have a PO Box. We have opted for the simplest

definition, annual OBRA member. Alternative definitions could be proposed.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----

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Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license

holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the =

recent

past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in =

at

least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license =

and

took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong =

to

me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he =

might

come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other =

Oregon

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Message: 10

Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:54:46 -0700

From: "Tim Schauer" >

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

To: >, >, >

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Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time

OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good

OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On

Behalf Of Candi Murray

Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM

To: masessa@charter.net ; obra@list.obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over

230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from

calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA

championships Candi

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Behalf Of masessa@charter.net

Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

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Message: 11

Message-ID: >

Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license

holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the

recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring

Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an

annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).

This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that

reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him

listed as doing any other Oregon races.

Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?

Dave M

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Message: 12

Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:00:29 -0700

From: >

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

To: OBRA >

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If it's going to be a "State Championship" it could be just residents. But,
I

agree it would suck to exclude our neighbors (like Yreka also) who support
OBRA

every year. Maybe you should have to have a license at the start of the
season

to qualify for a Championship placing.

This may be a rare case since the championship race was in S. Oregon this
year

and more Californians came up. I just hate seeing OBRA people bumped out by
a

one time racer from Cali. Maybe we could charge them triple for an annual

license. j/k

---- Mike Murray >
wrote:

> The problem lies in defining "Oregon resident". Do people who live in

> Vancouver and race frequently and only in Oregon count? What do we use as

> proof of residence? Drivers license? What if they don't have one?
Mailing

> address? Anyone can have a PO Box. We have opted for the simplest

> definition, annual OBRA member. Alternative definitions could be
proposed.

>

> Mike Murray

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
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> Behalf Of masessa@charter.net

> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 15:20 PM

> To: OBRA

> Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

>

>

> From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State

> Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license

> holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent

> past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at

> least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license
and

> took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong
to

> me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might

> come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other
Oregon

> races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to

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Message: 13

Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:03:27 -0700

From: tackyglueit >

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

To: "Tim Schauer"
>

Cc: obra@list.obra.org

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why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing

outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship

privileges?

On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer > wrote:

>

> Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time

> OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good

> OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)

>

> -Tim Schauer

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On

> Behalf Of Candi Murray

> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM

> To: masessa@charter.net ;
obra@list.obra.org

> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

>

> Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over

> 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from

> calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA

> championships Candi

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On

> Behalf Of masessa@charter.net

> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM

> To: OBRA

> Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

>

> From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State

> Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license

> holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the

> recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring

> Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an

> annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).

> This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that

> reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him

> listed as doing any other Oregon races.

> Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?

> Dave M

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Message: 14

Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:22:45 -0700 (PDT)

From: hutchsraceteam >

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

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I see value on both sides. One could easily argue that if one races
frequently

in the Seattle area during the year that they should be eligible for the
USCF

Washington State Championship? I think a good compromise would be to
restrict

the Championship based on OBRA participation. The problem is coming up with
a

way to administer it.

I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being eligible for the

Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show up and buy a

membership and take home the Championship. There are other Championships

available for other riders from other organizations or levels. Historically
I

realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost had a rider

from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.

AP

tackyglueit > wrote:

why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently
racing

outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship

privileges?

On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer > wrote: Yep! There are

certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time

OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good

OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On

Behalf Of Candi Murray

Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM

To: masessa@charter.net ; obra@list.obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over

230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from

calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA

championships Candi

-----Original Message-----

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On

Behalf Of masessa@charter.net

Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM

To: OBRA

Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

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Message: 15

Message-ID: >

Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license

holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the

recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring

Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an

annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).

This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that

reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him

listed as doing any other Oregon races.

Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?

Dave M

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I see value on both

sides. One could easily argue that if one races frequently in the

Seattle
area

during the year that they should be eligible for the USCF Washington State

Championship? I think a good compromise would be to restrict the
Championship

based on OBRA participation. The problem is coming up with a way to
administer

it.

I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being

eligible for the Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show
up

and buy a membership and take home the

Championship. There are other

Championships available for other riders from other organizations or levels.

Historically I realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we
almost

had a rider from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.


AP

tackyglueit >

wrote:


why would someone
from

Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you
live

in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges?






On 5/7/07, Tim

Schauer <TSchauer@mackaysposito.com>

wrote:

Yep! There are certainly a
lot

of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW

Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the

river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original
Message-----
From:

obra-bounces@list.obra.org

[mailto:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org
]

On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA

Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our
2032

riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have

tried to get away from
calling them the State

Championships and just calling them the OBRA
championships

Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org

[mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org

] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent:

Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State

Championships

From what I can gather the qualifications for the
Oregon

State
Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA

license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in

the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring


Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought

an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd

place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for
that


reason or he

thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as
doing

any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an
Oregon

resident to qualify?
Dave
M
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Message: 16

Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:34:45 -0700

From: Jim Cavalieri >

Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS Chris King Single Speed Hub

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Message: 17

Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:36:12 -0700 (PDT)

From: STEVEN R HOLLAND >

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

To: hutchsraceteam
>, obra@list.obra.org

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>

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Before ya all get to upset about this matter.....Check out what the medal
says

"OBRA" Championship.....not "Oregon State" Championship. Like Candi said,
these

are "OBRA" championships not state championships.

That being said, I would suggest no one be eligible to win a medal after

buying the OBRA membership on the day of the race.......

hutchsraceteam >
wrote:

I see value on both sides. One could easily argue that if one races

frequently in the Seattle area during the year that they should be eligible
for

the USCF Washington State Championship? I think a good compromise would be
to

restrict the Championship based on OBRA participation. The problem is
coming up

with a way to administer it.

I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being eligible for the

Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show up and buy a

membership and take home the Championship. There are other Championships

available for other riders from other organizations or levels. Historically
I

realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost had a rider

from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.

AP

tackyglueit > wrote:

why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently
racing

outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship

privileges?

On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer > wrote: Yep! There are

certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time

OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good

OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On

Behalf Of Candi Murray

Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM

To: masessa@charter.net ; obra@list.obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over

230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from

calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA

championships Candi

-----Original Message-----

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On

Behalf Of masessa@charter.net

Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM

To: OBRA

Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

------------------------------

Message: 18

Message-ID: >

Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license

holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the

recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring

Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an

annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).

This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that

reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him

listed as doing any other Oregon races.

Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?

Dave M

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Before ya all get to upset about this matter.....Check out what the
medal

says "OBRA" Championship.....not "Oregon State" Championship. Like Candi
said,

these are "OBRA" championships not state championships.

That being said, I would suggest no one be eligible to win a medal
after

buying the OBRA membership on the day of the race.......


hutchsraceteam

>
wrote:

I see value on both

sides. One could easily argue that if one races frequently in the

Seattle
area

during the year that they should be eligible for the USCF Washington State

Championship? I think a good

compromise would be to restrict the Championship based on OBRA
participation.

The problem is coming up with a way to administer it.


I have nothing
against

frequent OBRA participants being eligible for the Championships. It is that

fact that anyone can just show up and buy a membership and take home the

Championship. There are other

Championships available for other riders from other organizations or levels.

Historically I realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we
almost

had a rider from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.


AP

tackyglueit >

wrote:


why would someone
from

Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you
live

in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges?






On 5/7/07, Tim

Schauer <TSchauer@mackaysposito.com>

wrote:

Yep! There are certainly a
lot

of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW

Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the

river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original
Message-----
From:

obra-bounces@list.obra.org

[mailto:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org
]

On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA

Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our
2032

riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have

tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just
calling

them the OBRA
championships Candi

-----Original
Message-----
From:

obra-bounces@list.obra.org

[mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org

] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent:

Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To:

OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

From what I can
gather

the qualifications for the Oregon State
Championships, in any event, is
that

the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed?
And

has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that
this

weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central

California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship
medal

(3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just
for

that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't
see

him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring
a

person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave
M
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Message: 19

Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 23:36:11 +0000

From: gschreckchat@comcast.net

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

To: tackyglueit >,
"Tim Schauer"

>

Cc: obra@list.obra.org

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Because it is an OBRA Championship, not a state championship. Given the
fact

that the Portland metropolitan area includes Vancouver, I think those people

belong, and the Three Rivers team lives in Longview, just across the river
and

put on the Three Rivers Road Race in Rainier, Oregon. I do not think it
would

be fair to exclude them. In fact, there are people all along the Columbia
like

Dave Zimbleman who consistently race in Oregon, and OBRA was certainly proud
of

his National Championship. This is not to ignore people in Northern
California

who race in Oregon as well.

Lets not be parochial and welcome everyone, and if they are the better
racer, I

guess we have to live with it. I think we are the better for their

participation.

I realize that Washington has a different rule, but there is no reason to
follow

their narrrow perspective. Also, they probably do not have a large
contingent

of out of state racers compared to Oregon, so it may be less of an issue.

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George Schreck

gschreckchat@comcast.net

(503) 502-0425

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From: tackyglueit >

why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing

outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship

privileges?

On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer > wrote:

Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time

OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good

OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On

Behalf Of Candi Murray

Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM

To: masessa@charter.net ; obra@list.obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over

230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from

calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA

championships Candi

-----Original Message-----

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On

Behalf Of masessa@charter.net

Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM

To: OBRA

Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

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Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license

holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the

recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring

Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an

annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).

This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that

reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him

listed as doing any other Oregon races.

Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?

Dave M

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Because it is an OBRA Championship, not a state championship. Given
the

fact that the Portland metropolitan area includes Vancouver, I think those

people belong, and the Three Rivers team lives in Longview, just across the

river and put on the Three Rivers Road Race in Rainier, Oregon. I do not
think

it would be fair to exclude them. In fact, there are people all along the

Columbia like Dave Zimbleman who consistently race in Oregon, and OBRA was

certainly proud of his National Championship. This is not to ignore people
in

Northern California who race in Oregon as well.

Lets not be parochial and welcome everyone, and if they are the better

racer, I guess we have to live with it. I think we are the better for their

participation.

I realize that Washington has a different rule, but there is no reason
to

follow their narrrow perspective. Also, they probably do not have a large

contingent of out of state racers compared to Oregon, so it may be less of
an

issue.

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George Schreck

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(503) 502-0425

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From: tackyglueit

>

why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently
racing

outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship

privileges?





On 5/7/07, Tim

Schauer <TSchauer@mackaysposito.com>

wrote:

Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal,

very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW
Washington.

There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river

too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org

[mailto:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org
]

On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA

Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our
2032

riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have

tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and jus

t call

ing them the OBRA
championships Candi

-----Original

Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org

[mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org

] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent:

Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State

Championships

From what I can gather the qualifications for the
Oregon

State
Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA

license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in

the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring


Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought

an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd

place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for
that


reason or he thought he might come up for another

race.

I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts
on

requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave

M
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Message: 21

Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:47:50 -0700

From: "Joe Cipale" >

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

To: tackyglueit >

Cc: obra@list.obra.org

Message-ID: <200705072347.l47NloVs025978@sapphire.spiritone.com
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Hoooboy... let the smack-down start...

Many of us who live in Vancouver and race in OBRA because the nearest WA
race is

up North at Mason Lake.

Otherwise we are looking at making long drives to race 'in state'. As long
as I

have been a member (going on 15 years now), OBRA has never excluded based on

state of residence, nor should they. If a OBRA member lives in Washington...
or

Idaho... or California and takes advantage of what promoters have to offer,
then

they should be eligible to win OBRA Championships.

Joe C.

tackyglueit wrote:

> why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing

> outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship

> privileges?

>

>

>

> On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer > wrote:

> >

> > Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time

> > OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good

> > OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)

> >

> > -Tim Schauer

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On

> > Behalf Of Candi Murray

> > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM

> > To: masessa@charter.net ;
obra@list.obra.org

> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

> >

> > Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over

> > 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from

> > calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA

> > championships Candi

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On

> > Behalf Of masessa@charter.net

> > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM

> > To: OBRA

> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

> >

> > From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State

> > Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license

> > holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the

> > recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring

> > Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an

> > annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).

> > This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that

> > reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him

> > listed as doing any other Oregon races.

> > Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?

> > Dave M

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Message: 22

Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:56:04 -0700

From: Jim Cavalieri >

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Sold Chris King Single Speed Hub

To: obra@list.obra.org

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The hub is sold.

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Message: 23

Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:57:21 -0700

From: "Guy Smith" >

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Chris King hubs mavic open pro rims tufo clincher tubular tires all great
shape,

450.00

Mavic Ksyrium Elite`s, like new with hutchinson clincher`s

400.00

Guy Smith

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Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 16:02:26 -0700

From: "Dave Masessa" >

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Don Leet

2007-05-09

To be a state champion in most states means you have to be a resident of that state. Not too long ago we didn't have state championships we had district championships. For example Northern Calif and most of Nevada was a district. I am sure Candy or someone knows more about this than I. I certainly do not want to prevent my good friends Dave or Terry from racing in our races. But I do feel a state is a state and that is the norm.
Don Leet
----- Original Message -----
From: jakebigham
To: cbsnaik@aol.com
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] state champ residence

Just curious-
Washington just had their state champs this past wked. what is their policy towards non-residents? Are you sure about the CA. not allowing non-residents (is that even what you are implying- I could tell for sure) ? Their instructions for entry makes it look like out of state entries are OK. Anyone know?
-Jake

On May 9, 2007, at 12:42 PM, cbsnaik@aol.com wrote:

For proof of residence:
If you race in wash or Ca, you have to have a USCF liscence, and that says your state of residence on it. If that doesnt say oregon as your residing state, then you shouldnt be able to do a Or state championship, or win any Or state leaders jerseys in the NRC races. You should have to have a Or drivers license I think. I think most everyone has one of those. I dont see why we should feel bad about excluding people who dont live here. California wont let you race in their championship races unless you live there, I dont see why we should have it differently.

chris

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Today's Topics:

1. does anyone know who runs cyclingrocks.com? (Candi Murray)
2. State Championships (masessa@charter.net)
3. (no subject)
4. Good News from the Mayors office (James Thomas)
5. Re: State Championships (Candi Murray)
6. (no subject)
7. WTB: 10 spd derailleurs (Laurel Gitlen)
8. Re: State Championships (Mike Murray)
9. (no subject)
10. Re: State Championships (Tim Schauer)
11. (no subject)
12. Re: State Championships (masessa@charter.net)
13. Re: State Championships (tackyglueit)
14. Re: State Championships (hutchsraceteam)
15. (no subject)
16. FS Chris King Single Speed Hub (Jim Cavalieri)
17. Re: State Championships (STEVEN R HOLLAND)
18. (no subject)
19. Re: State Championships (gschreckchat@comcast.net)
20. (no subject)
21. Re: State Championships (Joe Cipale)
22. Sold Chris King Single Speed Hub (Jim Cavalieri)
23. (no subject) (Guy Smith)
24. Emailing: medals 001.jpg (Dave Masessa)
25. Re: FW: Championship jerseys (David Auker)
26. FW: Platinum Bike Master Plan (Long, Steve)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:54:21 -0700
From: "Candi Murray"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] does anyone know who runs cyclingrocks.com?
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They have a picture I would like to shrink wrap the new truck in.
Candi

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Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:20:08 -0700
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Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:22:41 -0700
From: James Thomas
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Good News from the Mayors office
To: obra@list.obra.org
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It looks like that check I write to the city of Portland every 3
months is doing something....

CITY OF
PORTLAND, OREGON Tom Potter, Mayor
TO: Commissioner Sam Adams
Commissioner Randy Leonard
Commissioner Dan Saltman
Commissioner Erik Sten
Auditor Gary Blackmer

FROM: Mayor Tom Potter
DATE: May 7,2007

SUBJECT: Additional One-Time Revenue for FY 2007-08 Approved Budget

OMF has advised me of S2 million in additional revenue in FY 2006-07
from higher than expected
business license receipts. These funds were received and reported
following the April 15 business
tax filing deadline. This will result in 52 million in additional one-
time funds for FY 2007-08. The
timing of this good news fits well with budget approval on May 16,
Council Execs met last week and developed a list of currently
unfunded priority requests to include
in the Approved Budget. These indude:
Wordstock Event S100,OOO Commissioner Sten
School/Family/HousingI nitiative S30.000 Commissioner Sten
* 2417 T Support for Fire $70,000 Commissioner Sten
Platinum Bicycle Master Plan S 100,000 Commissioner Adams
Artspartners S 100,000 Commissioner Adams
Bumside Couch Enhancement Planning $500,000 Cormmissioner Adam

These requests total $900,000. 1 am directing OMF to include these
items in the "change memo"
they are distributing today. We will use this as the basis for
approving the Proposed Budget as
amended by the change memo.
Additionally, the Parks Bureau is tabling $450,000 in requests for
Westmodand Park current1 y
included in the Proposed Budget until next year when engineering
studies are completed. Instead,
the change memo should reflect the following requests for Parks:
Tree Policy & Code Project $260,336 Commissioner Sal tzman
City Nature Trail Planning $45,379 Commissioner Saltzman
Parks Service Level Work S80,OOO Commissioner Saltzman
Westmoreland Stadium Engineering $65.000 Commissioner Saltzman
In addition to the requests that can now be funded, there are other
requests that are important to the
Council and the community and that have already received scrutiny in
the FY 2007-08 budget
process. I propose that these i terns should be considered for
priority funding in the fail BUMP if
additional one-time funds are realized at year-end. I'm also asking
OMF to include in the revised
financial policies that we'll consider in June a provision that
dedicates at least 25% of unanticipated
ending fund balance, as determined by OMF and reported in the fall
Budget Monitoring Process, to
capital expenditures as an important step to begin funding our unmet
asset management needs.
Here's a partial list, and I welcome your input on others, so that we
together develop a list of
requests that will be the first to be funded with any additional one-
time funds in the fall.
Additional cost of archives center at PSU above what's been budgeted.
Balance of original request for visioning and strategic planning,
once Council adopts the
vision.
Emergency operations center or regional training center facility
costs if sites are identified-
Funds that may be needed to acquire buildings or other assets that
Multnomah County may
not need, assisting the City in its needs for facilities while
providing the County with
additional one-time funds.

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:31:32 -0700
From: "Candi Murray"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
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Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over 230
come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from calling
them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA championships
Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
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Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the recent
past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at
least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license and
took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong to
me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might
come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other Oregon
races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:37:32 -0700
From: "Laurel Gitlen"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB: 10 spd derailleurs
To: obra@list.obra.org
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looking for some cheap derailleurs that will run with DA-10 speed -
used 105's would be great. email me offlist laurelgitlenatgmail.com

thanks!

L

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:49:30 -0700
From: "Mike Murray"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: "'OBRA'"
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The problem lies in defining "Oregon resident". Do people who live in
Vancouver and race frequently and only in Oregon count? What do we use as
proof of residence? Drivers license? What if they don't have one? Mailing
address? Anyone can have a PO Box. We have opted for the simplest
definition, annual OBRA member. Alternative definitions could be proposed.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 15:20 PM
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Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the =
recent
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at
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and
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to
me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he =
might
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:54:46 -0700
From: "Tim Schauer"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: , ,
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
championships Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

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Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:00:29 -0700
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
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If it's going to be a "State Championship" it could be just residents. But, I
agree it would suck to exclude our neighbors (like Yreka also) who support OBRA
every year. Maybe you should have to have a license at the start of the season
to qualify for a Championship placing.
This may be a rare case since the championship race was in S. Oregon this year
and more Californians came up. I just hate seeing OBRA people bumped out by a
one time racer from Cali. Maybe we could charge them triple for an annual
license. j/k

---- Mike Murray wrote:
> The problem lies in defining "Oregon resident". Do people who live in
> Vancouver and race frequently and only in Oregon count? What do we use as
> proof of residence? Drivers license? What if they don't have one? Mailing
> address? Anyone can have a PO Box. We have opted for the simplest
> definition, annual OBRA member. Alternative definitions could be proposed.
>
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 15:20 PM
> To: OBRA
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
>
> From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State
> Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
> holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the recent
> past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at
> least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license and
> took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong to
> me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might
> come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other Oregon
> races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:03:27 -0700
From: tackyglueit
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: "Tim Schauer"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing
outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship
privileges?

On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote:
>
> Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
> OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
> OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)
>
> -Tim Schauer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Candi Murray
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
> To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
> Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
> 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
> calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
> championships Candi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
> To: OBRA
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
> From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State
> Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
> holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
> recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
> Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
> annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
> This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
> reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
> listed as doing any other Oregon races.
> Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
> Dave M
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:22:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: hutchsraceteam
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: obra@list.obra.org
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I see value on both sides. One could easily argue that if one races frequently
in the Seattle area during the year that they should be eligible for the USCF
Washington State Championship? I think a good compromise would be to restrict
the Championship based on OBRA participation. The problem is coming up with a
way to administer it.

I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being eligible for the
Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show up and buy a
membership and take home the Championship. There are other Championships
available for other riders from other organizations or levels. Historically I
realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost had a rider
from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.

AP

tackyglueit wrote:

why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing
outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship
privileges?


On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote: Yep! There are
certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
championships Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

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Message: 15
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Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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I see value on both
sides. One could easily argue that if one races frequently in the
Seattle area
during the year that they should be eligible for the USCF Washington State
Championship? I think a good compromise would be to restrict the Championship
based on OBRA participation. The problem is coming up with a way to administer
it.
I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being
eligible for the Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show up
and buy a membership and take home the
Championship. There are other
Championships available for other riders from other organizations or levels.
Historically I realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost
had a rider from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.



AP

tackyglueit
wrote:

why would someone from
Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you live
in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges?





On 5/7/07, Tim
Schauer
<TSchauer@mackaysposito.com>
wrote:
Yep! There are certainly a lot
of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW
Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the
river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----
From:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA
Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032
riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have
tried to get away from
calling them the State
Championships and just calling them the OBRA
championships
Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org
] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent:
Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State
Championships

From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon
State
Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA
license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in
the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring

Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought
an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd
place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that

reason or he
thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing
any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon
resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:34:45 -0700
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:36:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: STEVEN R HOLLAND
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: hutchsraceteam , obra@list.obra.org
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Before ya all get to upset about this matter.....Check out what the medal says
"OBRA" Championship.....not "Oregon State" Championship. Like Candi said, these
are "OBRA" championships not state championships.

That being said, I would suggest no one be eligible to win a medal after
buying the OBRA membership on the day of the race.......

hutchsraceteam wrote:
I see value on both sides. One could easily argue that if one races
frequently in the Seattle area during the year that they should be eligible for
the USCF Washington State Championship? I think a good compromise would be to
restrict the Championship based on OBRA participation. The problem is coming up
with a way to administer it.

I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being eligible for the
Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show up and buy a
membership and take home the Championship. There are other Championships
available for other riders from other organizations or levels. Historically I
realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost had a rider
from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.

AP

tackyglueit wrote:

why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing
outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship
privileges?


On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote: Yep! There are
certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
championships Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

------------------------------

Message: 18
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Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Before ya all get to upset about this matter.....Check out what the medal
says "OBRA" Championship.....not "Oregon State" Championship. Like Candi said,
these are "OBRA" championships not state championships.

That being said, I would suggest no one be eligible to win a medal after
buying the OBRA membership on the day of the race.......

hutchsraceteam
wrote:

I see value on both
sides. One could easily argue that if one races frequently in the
Seattle area
during the year that they should be eligible for the USCF Washington State
Championship? I think a good
compromise would be to restrict the Championship based on OBRA participation.
The problem is coming up with a way to administer it.


I have nothing against
frequent OBRA participants being eligible for the Championships. It is that
fact that anyone can just show up and buy a membership and take home the
Championship. There are other
Championships available for other riders from other organizations or levels.
Historically I realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost
had a rider from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.



AP

tackyglueit
wrote:

why would someone from
Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you live
in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges?





On 5/7/07, Tim
Schauer
<TSchauer@mackaysposito.com>
wrote:
Yep! There are certainly a lot
of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW
Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the
river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----
From:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA
Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032
riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have
tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just calling
them the OBRA
championships Candi

-----Original Message-----
From:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org
] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent:
Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To:
OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

From what I can gather
the qualifications for the Oregon State
Championships, in any event, is that
the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And
has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this
weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central
California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal
(3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for
that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see
him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a
person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 23:36:11 +0000
From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: tackyglueit , "Tim Schauer"

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Because it is an OBRA Championship, not a state championship. Given the fact
that the Portland metropolitan area includes Vancouver, I think those people
belong, and the Three Rivers team lives in Longview, just across the river and
put on the Three Rivers Road Race in Rainier, Oregon. I do not think it would
be fair to exclude them. In fact, there are people all along the Columbia like
Dave Zimbleman who consistently race in Oregon, and OBRA was certainly proud of
his National Championship. This is not to ignore people in Northern California
who race in Oregon as well.

Lets not be parochial and welcome everyone, and if they are the better racer, I
guess we have to live with it. I think we are the better for their
participation.

I realize that Washington has a different rule, but there is no reason to follow
their narrrow perspective. Also, they probably do not have a large contingent
of out of state racers compared to Oregon, so it may be less of an issue.

--

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-------------- Original message --------------
From: tackyglueit

why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing
outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship
privileges?


On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote:
Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
championships Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

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Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Because it is an OBRA Championship, not a state championship. Given the
fact that the Portland metropolitan area includes Vancouver, I think those
people belong, and the Three Rivers team lives in Longview, just across the
river and put on the Three Rivers Road Race in Rainier, Oregon. I do not think
it would be fair to exclude them. In fact, there are people all along the
Columbia like Dave Zimbleman who consistently race in Oregon, and OBRA was
certainly proud of his National Championship. This is not to ignore people in
Northern California who race in Oregon as well.


Lets not be parochial and welcome everyone, and if they are the better
racer, I guess we have to live with it. I think we are the better for their
participation.


I realize that Washington has a different rule, but there is no reason to
follow their narrrow perspective. Also, they probably do not have a large
contingent of out of state racers compared to Oregon, so it may be less of an
issue.


--

George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net

(503) 502-0425


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From: tackyglueit


why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing
outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship
privileges?






On 5/7/07, Tim
Schauer
<TSchauer@mackaysposito.com>
wrote:

Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal,
very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington.
There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river
too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA
Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032
riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have
tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and jus
t call
ing them the OBRA
championships Candi

-----Original
Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org
] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent:
Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State
Championships

From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon
State
Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA
license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in
the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring

Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought
an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd
place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that

reason or he thought he might come up for another
race.
I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on
requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave
M
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:47:50 -0700
From: "Joe Cipale"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: tackyglueit
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <200705072347.l47NloVs025978@sapphire.spiritone.com>

Hoooboy... let the smack-down start...

Many of us who live in Vancouver and race in OBRA because the nearest WA race is
up North at Mason Lake.

Otherwise we are looking at making long drives to race 'in state'. As long as I
have been a member (going on 15 years now), OBRA has never excluded based on
state of residence, nor should they. If a OBRA member lives in Washington... or
Idaho... or California and takes advantage of what promoters have to offer, then
they should be eligible to win OBRA Championships.

Joe C.

tackyglueit wrote:

> why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing
> outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship
> privileges?
>
>
>
> On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote:
> >
> > Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
> > OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
> > OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)
> >
> > -Tim Schauer
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > Behalf Of Candi Murray
> > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
> > To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> >
> > Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
> > 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
> > calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
> > championships Candi
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
> > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
> > To: OBRA
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> >
> > From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State
> > Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
> > holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
> > recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
> > Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
> > annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
> > This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
> > reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
> > listed as doing any other Oregon races.
> > Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
> > Dave M
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:56:04 -0700
From: Jim Cavalieri
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Sold Chris King Single Speed Hub
To: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <463fbc947d2af_4aac15a96ab986a0107c@lizard.tmail>
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The hub is sold.

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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:57:21 -0700
From: "Guy Smith"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] (no subject)
To:
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Chris King hubs mavic open pro rims tufo clincher tubular tires all great shape,
450.00

Mavic Ksyrium Elite`s, like new with hutchinson clincher`s
400.00

Guy Smith

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Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 16:02:26 -0700
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 20:18:56 -0700
From: David Auker
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: Championship jerseys
To: obra@list.obra.org
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Candi Murray wrote:
> Is it time to redesign our jersey? What are your thoughts? If so, anyone
> want to take this on?
> Candi
I'd like to see them white 'n yellow, safe colors in traffic. Then they
could be worn in pride even in dimly-lit conditions, a visible statement
for racing AND safety!

David

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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:50:53 -0700
From: "Long, Steve"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW: Platinum Bike Master Plan
To:
Message-ID:

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Just in case this didn't get out to the list
Sweet.

________________________________

From: Van Keuren, Jeremy (Mayor's Office)
[mailto:jvankeuren@ci.portland.or.us]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 2:48 PM
To: Van Keuren, Jeremy (Mayor's Office)
Subject: Platinum Bike Master Plan

<<...OLE_Obj...>>

Office of Mayor Tom Potter

City of Portland

Greetings:

You are receiving this email in response to your concerns that the
Platinum Bicycle Master Plan was not included in Mayor Potter's initial
proposed budget.

The City's Office of Management and Finance has reported an additional
(and unexpected) $2 million in revenue for FY 06-07. This gives Mayor
Potter the opportunity to fund several important projects that were not
included in the initial proposed budget. This will include the Platinum
Bicycle Master Plan. Please read the attached memo for more details.

I appreciate your interest.

Sincerely,

Jeremy Van Keuren
Public Advocate
Office of Mayor Tom Potter
Portland, Oregon
503-823-4125
jvankeuren@ci.portland.or.us

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2007-05-09

Just curious-
Washington just had their state champs this past wked. what is their
policy towards non-residents? Are you sure about the CA. not allowing
non-residents (is that even what you are implying- I could tell for
sure) ? Their instructions for entry makes it look like out of state
entries are OK. Anyone know?
-Jake
On May 9, 2007, at 12:42 PM, cbsnaik@aol.com wrote:

> For proof of residence:
> If you race in wash or Ca, you have to have a USCF liscence, and
> that says your state of residence on it. If that doesnt say oregon
> as your residing state, then you shouldnt be able to do a Or state
> championship, or win any Or state leaders jerseys in the NRC
> races. You should have to have a Or drivers license I think. I
> think most everyone has one of those. I dont see why we should
> feel bad about excluding people who dont live here. California
> wont let you race in their championship races unless you live
> there, I dont see why we should have it differently.
>
> chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> 1. does anyone know who runs cyclingrocks.com? (Candi Murray)
> 2. State Championships (masessa@charter.net)
> 3. (no subject)
> 4. Good News from the Mayors office (James Thomas)
> 5. Re: State Championships (Candi Murray)
> 6. (no subject)
> 7. WTB: 10 spd derailleurs (Laurel Gitlen)
> 8. Re: State Championships (Mike Murray)
> 9. (no subject)
> 10. Re: State Championships (Tim Schauer)
> 11. (no subject)
> 12. Re: State Championships (masessa@charter.net)
> 13. Re: State Championships (tackyglueit)
> 14. Re: State Championships (hutchsraceteam)
> 15. (no subject)
> 16. FS Chris King Single Speed Hub (Jim Cavalieri)
> 17. Re: State Championships (STEVEN R HOLLAND)
> 18. (no subject)
> 19. Re: State Championships (gschreckchat@comcast.net)
> 20. (no subject)
> 21. Re: State Championships (Joe Cipale)
> 22. Sold Chris King Single Speed Hub (Jim Cavalieri)
> 23. (no subject) (Guy Smith)
> 24. Emailing: medals 001.jpg (Dave Masessa)
> 25. Re: FW: Championship jerseys (David Auker)
> 26. FW: Platinum Bike Master Plan (Long, Steve)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:54:21 -0700
> From: "Candi Murray"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] does anyone know who runs cyclingrocks.com?
> To:
> Message-ID: <003d01c790e9$e3991a70$9601a8c0@8A287A4ADEF0487>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> They have a picture I would like to shrink wrap the new truck in.
> Candi
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:20:08 -0700
> From:
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> To: OBRA
> Message-ID: <985047543.1178576408786.JavaMail.root@fepweb09>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Message-ID:
>
> Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to
> qualify?
> Dave M
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:22:41 -0700
> From: James Thomas
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Good News from the Mayors office
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> It looks like that check I write to the city of Portland every 3
> months is doing something....
>
> CITY OF
> PORTLAND, OREGON Tom Potter, Mayor
> TO: Commissioner Sam Adams
> Commissioner Randy Leonard
> Commissioner Dan Saltman
> Commissioner Erik Sten
> Auditor Gary Blackmer
>
> FROM: Mayor Tom Potter
> DATE: May 7,2007
>
> SUBJECT: Additional One-Time Revenue for FY 2007-08 Approved Budget
>
> OMF has advised me of S2 million in additional revenue in FY 2006-07
> from higher than expected
> business license receipts. These funds were received and reported
> following the April 15 business
> tax filing deadline. This will result in 52 million in additional one-
> time funds for FY 2007-08. The
> timing of this good news fits well with budget approval on May 16,
> Council Execs met last week and developed a list of currently
> unfunded priority requests to include
> in the Approved Budget. These indude:
> Wordstock Event S100,OOO Commissioner Sten
> School/Family/HousingI nitiative S30.000 Commissioner Sten
> * 2417 T Support for Fire $70,000 Commissioner Sten
> Platinum Bicycle Master Plan S 100,000 Commissioner Adams
> Artspartners S 100,000 Commissioner Adams
> Bumside Couch Enhancement Planning $500,000 Cormmissioner Adam
>
> These requests total $900,000. 1 am directing OMF to include these
> items in the "change memo"
> they are distributing today. We will use this as the basis for
> approving the Proposed Budget as
> amended by the change memo.
> Additionally, the Parks Bureau is tabling $450,000 in requests for
> Westmodand Park current1 y
> included in the Proposed Budget until next year when engineering
> studies are completed. Instead,
> the change memo should reflect the following requests for Parks:
> Tree Policy & Code Project $260,336 Commissioner Sal tzman
> City Nature Trail Planning $45,379 Commissioner Saltzman
> Parks Service Level Work S80,OOO Commissioner Saltzman
> Westmoreland Stadium Engineering $65.000 Commissioner Saltzman
> In addition to the requests that can now be funded, there are other
> requests that are important to the
> Council and the community and that have already received scrutiny in
> the FY 2007-08 budget
> process. I propose that these i terns should be considered for
> priority funding in the fail BUMP if
> additional one-time funds are realized at year-end. I'm also asking
> OMF to include in the revised
> financial policies that we'll consider in June a provision that
> dedicates at least 25% of unanticipated
> ending fund balance, as determined by OMF and reported in the fall
> Budget Monitoring Process, to
> capital expenditures as an important step to begin funding our unmet
> asset management needs.
> Here's a partial list, and I welcome your input on others, so that we
> together develop a list of
> requests that will be the first to be funded with any additional one-
> time funds in the fall.
> Additional cost of archives center at PSU above what's been budgeted.
> Balance of original request for visioning and strategic planning,
> once Council adopts the
> vision.
> Emergency operations center or regional training center facility
> costs if sites are identified-
> Funds that may be needed to acquire buildings or other assets that
> Multnomah County may
> not need, assisting the City in its needs for facilities while
> providing the County with
> additional one-time funds.
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> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:31:32 -0700
> From: "Candi Murray"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> To: ,
> Message-ID: <000601c790f7$77120520$9601a8c0@8A287A4ADEF0487>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut
> over 230
> come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
> calling
> them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
> championships
> Candi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
> To: OBRA
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Message-ID:
>
> Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA
> license
> holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in
> the recent
> past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
> Thaw, in at
> least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual
> license and
> took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems
> wrong to
> me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought
> he might
> come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any
> other Oregon
> races.
> Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to
> qualify?
> Dave M
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:37:32 -0700
> From: "Laurel Gitlen"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB: 10 spd derailleurs
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> looking for some cheap derailleurs that will run with DA-10 speed -
> used 105's would be great. email me offlist laurelgitlenatgmail.com
>
> thanks!
>
> L
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:49:30 -0700
> From: "Mike Murray"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> To: "'OBRA'"
> Message-ID: <00b001c790fa$0d13be90$9901a8c0@MikeLT>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> The problem lies in defining "Oregon resident". Do people who live in
> Vancouver and race frequently and only in Oregon count? What do we
> use as
> proof of residence? Drivers license? What if they don't have
> one? Mailing
> address? Anyone can have a PO Box. We have opted for the simplest
> definition, annual OBRA member. Alternative definitions could be
> proposed.
>
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 15:20 PM
> To: OBRA
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Message-ID:
>
> Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA
> license
> holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the =
> recent
> past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
> Thaw, in =
> at
> least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual
> license =
> and
> took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems
> wrong =
> to
> me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he =
> might
> come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other =
> Oregon
> races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to
> qualify? Dave M _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:54:46 -0700
> From: "Tim Schauer"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> To: , ,
> Message-ID:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long
> time
> OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
> OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)
>
> -Tim Schauer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Candi Murray
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
> To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
> Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
> 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
> calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
> championships Candi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
> To: OBRA
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
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> Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA
> license
> holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
> recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
> Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
> annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
> This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
> reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't
> see him
> listed as doing any other Oregon races.
> Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to
> qualify?
> Dave M
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> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:00:29 -0700
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> If it's going to be a "State Championship" it could be just
> residents. But, I
> agree it would suck to exclude our neighbors (like Yreka also) who
> support OBRA
> every year. Maybe you should have to have a license at the start of
> the season
> to qualify for a Championship placing.
> This may be a rare case since the championship race was in S.
> Oregon this year
> and more Californians came up. I just hate seeing OBRA people
> bumped out by a
> one time racer from Cali. Maybe we could charge them triple for an
> annual
> license. j/k
>
> ---- Mike Murray wrote:
> > The problem lies in defining "Oregon resident". Do people who
> live in
> > Vancouver and race frequently and only in Oregon count? What do
> we use as
> > proof of residence? Drivers license? What if they don't have
> one? Mailing
> > address? Anyone can have a PO Box. We have opted for the simplest
> > definition, annual OBRA member. Alternative definitions could be
> proposed.
> >
> > Mike Murray
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
> > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 15:20 PM
> > To: OBRA
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> >
> >
> > From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State
> > Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA
> license
> > holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in
> the recent
> > past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
> Thaw, in at
> > least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual
> license and
> > took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just
> seems wrong to
> > me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought
> he might
> > come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any
> other Oregon
> > races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon
> resident to
> > qualify? Dave M _______________________________________________
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> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:03:27 -0700
> From: tackyglueit
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> To: "Tim Schauer"
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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> why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently
> racing
> outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state
> championship
> privileges?
>
>
>
> On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote:
> >
> > Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing,
> long time
> > OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few
> good
> > OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)
> >
> > -Tim Schauer
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > Behalf Of Candi Murray
> > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
> > To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> >
> > Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut
> over
> > 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away
> from
> > calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
> > championships Candi
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
> > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
> > To: OBRA
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> >
> > From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State
> > Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA
> license
> > holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
> > recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the
> Spring
> > Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California
> bought an
> > annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
> > This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for
> that
> > reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't
> see him
> > listed as doing any other Oregon races.
> > Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to
> qualify?
> > Dave M
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> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:22:45 -0700 (PDT)
> From: hutchsraceteam
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
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> I see value on both sides. One could easily argue that if one
> races frequently
> in the Seattle area during the year that they should be eligible
> for the USCF
> Washington State Championship? I think a good compromise would be
> to restrict
> the Championship based on OBRA participation. The problem is
> coming up with a
> way to administer it.
>
> I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being eligible
> for the
> Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show up and buy a
> membership and take home the Championship. There are other
> Championships
> available for other riders from other organizations or levels.
> Historically I
> realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost
> had a rider
> from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.
>
> AP
>
> tackyglueit wrote:
>
> why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why
> frequently racing
> outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state
> championship
> privileges?
>
>
>
> On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote: Yep!
> There are
> certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
> OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
> OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)
>
> -Tim Schauer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Candi Murray
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
> To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
> Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
> 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
> calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
> championships Candi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org ] On
> Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
> To: OBRA
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
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>
> Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA
> license
> holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
> recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
> Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
> annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
> This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
> reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't
> see him
> listed as doing any other Oregon races.
> Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to
> qualify?
> Dave M
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I see value
> on both
> sides. One could easily argue that if one races frequently in the
> com:office:smarttags"
> />Seattle
> st1:City> area
> during the year that they should be eligible for the USCF
> Washington State
> Championship? I think a good compromise would be to restrict the
> Championship
> based on OBRA participation. The problem is coming up with a way
> to administer
> it. com:office:office"
> />
I have nothing against frequent OBRA
> participants being
> eligible for the Championships. It is that fact that anyone can
> just show up
> and buy a membership and take home the
> Championship. There are other
> Championships available for other riders from other organizations
> or levels.
> Historically I realize that this has not been an issue, but last
> year we almost
> had a rider from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.
> SPAN>

>


> DIV>

>
AP

tackyglueit
> wrote:

why would
> someone from
> Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the
> state you live
> in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges?

>




>

On 5/7/07, class=gmail_sendername>Tim
> Schauer
< href="mailto:TSchauer@mackaysposito.com">TSchauer@mackaysposito.com >>
> wrote:
Yep! There are
> certainly a lot
> of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that
> reside in SW
> Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this
> side of the
> river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original
> Message-----
From:
> obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org

> [mailto: obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org
]
> On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32
> PM
To: href="mailto:masessa@charter.net">masessa@charter.net; href="mailto:obra@list.obra.org">obra@list.obra.org
> A>
Subject: Re: [OBRA
> Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out
> of our 2032
> riders currently jut over
230 come from California or
> Washington. I have
> tried to get away from
calling them the State
> Championships and just calling them the OBRA
championships
> Candi

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> ] On
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Sent:
> Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State
> Championships

From what I can gather the qualifications for
> the Oregon
> State
Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an
> annual OBRA
> license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been
> examined in
> the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at
> the Spring
>
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought
> an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd
> place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it
> just for that
>
reason or he
> thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see
> him
listed as doing
> any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be
> an Oregon
> resident to qualify?
Dave
> M
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> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:36:12 -0700 (PDT)
> From: STEVEN R HOLLAND
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> To: hutchsraceteam , obra@list.obra.org
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> Before ya all get to upset about this matter.....Check out what the
> medal says
> "OBRA" Championship.....not "Oregon State" Championship. Like Candi
> said, these
> are "OBRA" championships not state championships.
>
> That being said, I would suggest no one be eligible to win a
> medal after
> buying the OBRA membership on the day of the race.......
>
> hutchsraceteam wrote:
> I see value on both sides. One could easily argue that if one
> races
> frequently in the Seattle area during the year that they should be
> eligible for
> the USCF Washington State Championship? I think a good compromise
> would be to
> restrict the Championship based on OBRA participation. The problem
> is coming up
> with a way to administer it.
>
> I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being eligible
> for the
> Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show up and buy a
> membership and take home the Championship. There are other
> Championships
> available for other riders from other organizations or levels.
> Historically I
> realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost
> had a rider
> from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.
>
> AP
>
> tackyglueit wrote:
>
> why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why
> frequently racing
> outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state
> championship
> privileges?
>
>
>
> On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote: Yep!
> There are
> certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
> OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
> OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)
>
> -Tim Schauer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Candi Murray
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
> To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
> Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
> 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
> calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
> championships Candi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org ] On
> Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
> To: OBRA
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Message-ID:
>
> Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA
> license
> holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
> recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
> Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
> annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
> This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
> reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't
> see him
> listed as doing any other Oregon races.
> Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to
> qualify?
> Dave M
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Before ya all get to upset about this matter.....Check out
> what the medal
> says "OBRA" Championship.....not "Oregon State" Championship. Like
> Candi said,
> these are "OBRA" championships not state championships.

>

>
That being said, I would suggest no one be eligible to win a
> medal after
> buying the OBRA membership on the day of the race.......
>

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>
wrote:
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> style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff
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>
I see value
> on both
> sides. One could easily argue that if one races frequently in the
> com:office:smarttags"
> />Seattle
> st1:City> area
> during the year that they should be eligible for the USCF
> Washington State
> Championship? I think a good
> compromise would be to restrict the Championship based on OBRA
> participation.
> The problem is coming up with a way to administer it.
> xml:namespace prefix = o
> ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
> SPAN>

>

> o:p>

>
I have
> nothing against
> frequent OBRA participants being eligible for the Championships.
> It is that
> fact that anyone can just show up and buy a membership and take
> home the
> Championship. There are other
> Championships available for other riders from other organizations
> or levels.
> Historically I realize that this has not been an issue, but last
> year we almost
> had a rider from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.
> SPAN>

>


> DIV>

>
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tackyglueit
> wrote:

why would
> someone from
> Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the
> state you live
> in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges?

>




>

On 5/7/07, class=gmail_sendername>Tim
> Schauer
< href="mailto:TSchauer@mackaysposito.com">TSchauer@mackaysposito.com >>
> wrote:
Yep! There are
> certainly a lot
> of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that
> reside in SW
> Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this
> side of the
> river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

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> Message-----
From:
> href="mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org">obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org

> [mailto: obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org
]
> On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32
> PM
To: href="mailto:masessa@charter.net">masessa@charter.net; href="mailto:obra@list.obra.org">obra@list.obra.org
> A>
Subject: Re: [OBRA
> Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out
> of our 2032
> riders currently jut over
230 come from California or
> Washington. I have
> tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and
> just calling
> them the OBRA
championships Candi

-----Original
> Message-----
From:
>
obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org

> [mailto:obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org

> ] On
Behalf Of href="mailto:masessa@charter.net">masessa@charter.net
Sent:
> Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To:
> OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

From what
> I can gather
> the qualifications for the Oregon State
Championships, in any
> event, is that
> the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's
> needed? And
> has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking
> is that this
> weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from
> Central
> California bought an
annual license and took home a State
> Championship medal
> (3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he
> did it just for
> that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I
> didn't see
> him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on
> requiring a
> person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave
> M
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> Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 23:36:11 +0000
> From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> To: tackyglueit , "Tim Schauer"
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> Because it is an OBRA Championship, not a state championship.
> Given the fact
> that the Portland metropolitan area includes Vancouver, I think
> those people
> belong, and the Three Rivers team lives in Longview, just across
> the river and
> put on the Three Rivers Road Race in Rainier, Oregon. I do not
> think it would
> be fair to exclude them. In fact, there are people all along the
> Columbia like
> Dave Zimbleman who consistently race in Oregon, and OBRA was
> certainly proud of
> his National Championship. This is not to ignore people in
> Northern California
> who race in Oregon as well.
>
> Lets not be parochial and welcome everyone, and if they are the
> better racer, I
> guess we have to live with it. I think we are the better for their
> participation.
>
> I realize that Washington has a different rule, but there is no
> reason to follow
> their narrrow perspective. Also, they probably do not have a large
> contingent
> of out of state racers compared to Oregon, so it may be less of an
> issue.
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: tackyglueit
>
> why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently
> racing
> outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state
> championship
> privileges?
>
>
>
> On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote:
> Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long
> time
> OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
> OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)
>
> -Tim Schauer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Candi Murray
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
> To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
> Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
> 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
> calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
> championships Candi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org ] On
> Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
> To: OBRA
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Message-ID:
>
> Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA
> license
> holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
> recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
> Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
> annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
> This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
> reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't
> see him
> listed as doing any other Oregon races.
> Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to
> qualify?
> Dave M
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Because it is an OBRA Championship, not a state championship.
> Given the
> fact that the Portland metropolitan area includes Vancouver, I
> think those
> people belong, and the Three Rivers team lives in Longview, just
> across the
> river and put on the Three Rivers Road Race in Rainier, Oregon. I
> do not think
> it would be fair to exclude them. In fact, there are people all
> along the
> Columbia like Dave Zimbleman who consistently race in Oregon, and
> OBRA was
> certainly proud of his National Championship. This is not to
> ignore people in
> Northern California who race in Oregon as well.

>

>
Lets not be parochial and welcome everyone, and if they are
> the better
> racer, I guess we have to live with it. I think we are the better
> for their
> participation.

>

>
I realize that Washington has a different rule, but there is
> no reason to
> follow their narrrow perspective. Also, they probably do not have
> a large
> contingent of out of state racers compared to Oregon, so it may be
> less of an
> issue.

>

>
--

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>
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>
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>

>
-------------- Original message --------------
From:
> tackyglueit
>

>
why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why
> frequently racing
> outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state
> championship
> privileges?

>




>

On 5/7/07, Tim
> Schauer
< href="mailto:TSchauer@mackaysposito.com">TSchauer@mackaysposito.com >>
> wrote:

>
Yep! There are certainly a lot
> of loyal,
> very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW
> Washington.
> There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river
> too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

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> [mailto: obra-
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> On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32
> PM
To: href="mailto:masessa@charter.net">masessa@charter.net; href="mailto:obra@list.obra.org">obra@list.obra.org
> A>
Subject: Re: [OBRA
> Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out
> of our 2032
> riders currently jut over
230 come from California or
> Washington. I have
> tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and jus
> t call
> ing them the OBRA
championships Candi

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> ] On
Behalf Of href="mailto:masessa@charter.net">masessa@charter.net
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> Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State
> Championships

From what I can gather the qualifications for
> the Oregon
> State
Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an
> annual OBRA
> license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been
> examined in
> the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at
> the Spring
>
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought
> an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd
> place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it
> just for that
>
reason or he thought he might come up for another
> race.
> I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any
> thoughts on
> requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave
> M
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> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:47:50 -0700
> From: "Joe Cipale"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> To: tackyglueit
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <200705072347.l47NloVs025978@sapphire.spiritone.com>
>
> Hoooboy... let the smack-down start...
>
> Many of us who live in Vancouver and race in OBRA because the
> nearest WA race is
> up North at Mason Lake.
>
> Otherwise we are looking at making long drives to race 'in state'.
> As long as I
> have been a member (going on 15 years now), OBRA has never excluded
> based on
> state of residence, nor should they. If a OBRA member lives in
> Washington... or
> Idaho... or California and takes advantage of what promoters have
> to offer, then
> they should be eligible to win OBRA Championships.
>
> Joe C.
>
> tackyglueit wrote:
>
> > why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why
> frequently racing
> > outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state
> championship
> > privileges?
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing,
> long time
> > > OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a
> few good
> > > OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)
> > >
> > > -Tim Schauer
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Candi Murray
> > > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
> > > To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
> > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> > >
> > > Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently
> jut over
> > > 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get
> away from
> > > calling them the State Championships and just calling them the
> OBRA
> > > championships Candi
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > > Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
> > > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
> > > To: OBRA
> > > Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> > >
> > > From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State
> > > Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual
> OBRA license
> > > holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined
> in the
> > > recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the
> Spring
> > > Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California
> bought an
> > > annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd
> place).
> > > This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just
> for that
> > > reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I
> didn't see him
> > > listed as doing any other Oregon races.
> > > Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to
> qualify?
> > > Dave M
> > > _______________________________________________
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>
> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:56:04 -0700
> From: Jim Cavalieri
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Sold Chris King Single Speed Hub
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> The hub is sold.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:57:21 -0700
> From: "Guy Smith"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] (no subject)
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> Chris King hubs mavic open pro rims tufo clincher tubular tires all
> great shape,
> 450.00
>
> Mavic Ksyrium Elite`s, like new with hutchinson clincher`s
> 400.00
>
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> From: "Dave Masessa"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Emailing: medals 001.jpg
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> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 20:18:56 -0700
> From: David Auker
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: Championship jerseys
> To: obra@list.obra.org
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> Candi Murray wrote:
> > Is it time to redesign our jersey? What are your thoughts? If so,
> anyone
> > want to take this on?
> > Candi
> I'd like to see them white 'n yellow, safe colors in traffic. Then
> they
> could be worn in pride even in dimly-lit conditions, a visible
> statement
> for racing AND safety!
>
> David
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:50:53 -0700
> From: "Long, Steve"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW: Platinum Bike Master Plan
> To:
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> Just in case this didn't get out to the list
> Sweet.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Van Keuren, Jeremy (Mayor's Office)
> [mailto:jvankeuren@ci.portland.or.us]
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 2:48 PM
> To: Van Keuren, Jeremy (Mayor's Office)
> Subject: Platinum Bike Master Plan
>
>
>
>
>
> <<...OLE_Obj...>>
>
>
> Office of Mayor Tom Potter
>
> City of Portland
>
>
> Greetings:
>
> You are receiving this email in response to your concerns that the
> Platinum Bicycle Master Plan was not included in Mayor Potter's
> initial
> proposed budget.
>
> The City's Office of Management and Finance has reported an additional
> (and unexpected) $2 million in revenue for FY 06-07. This gives Mayor
> Potter the opportunity to fund several important projects that were
> not
> included in the initial proposed budget. This will include the
> Platinum
> Bicycle Master Plan. Please read the attached memo for more details.
>
> I appreciate your interest.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jeremy Van Keuren
> Public Advocate
> Office of Mayor Tom Potter
> Portland, Oregon
> 503-823-4125
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2007-05-09

For proof of residence:
If you race in wash or Ca, you have to have a USCF liscence, and that says your state of residence on it. If that doesnt say oregon as your residing state, then you shouldnt be able to do a Or state championship, or win any Or state leaders jerseys in the NRC races. You should have to have a Or drivers license I think. I think most everyone has one of those. I dont see why we should feel bad about excluding people who dont live here. California wont let you race in their championship races unless you live there, I dont see why we should have it differently.

chris

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1. does anyone know who runs cyclingrocks.com? (Candi Murray)
2. State Championships (masessa@charter.net)
3. (no subject)
4. Good News from the Mayors office (James Thomas)
5. Re: State Championships (Candi Murray)
6. (no subject)
7. WTB: 10 spd derailleurs (Laurel Gitlen)
8. Re: State Championships (Mike Murray)
9. (no subject)
10. Re: State Championships (Tim Schauer)
11. (no subject)
12. Re: State Championships (masessa@charter.net)
13. Re: State Championships (tackyglueit)
14. Re: State Championships (hutchsraceteam)
15. (no subject)
16. FS Chris King Single Speed Hub (Jim Cavalieri)
17. Re: State Championships (STEVEN R HOLLAND)
18. (no subject)
19. Re: State Championships (gschreckchat@comcast.net)
20. (no subject)
21. Re: State Championships (Joe Cipale)
22. Sold Chris King Single Speed Hub (Jim Cavalieri)
23. (no subject) (Guy Smith)
24. Emailing: medals 001.jpg (Dave Masessa)
25. Re: FW: Championship jerseys (David Auker)
26. FW: Platinum Bike Master Plan (Long, Steve)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:54:21 -0700
From: "Candi Murray"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] does anyone know who runs cyclingrocks.com?
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They have a picture I would like to shrink wrap the new truck in.
Candi

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Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:22:41 -0700
From: James Thomas
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Good News from the Mayors office
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It looks like that check I write to the city of Portland every 3
months is doing something....

CITY OF
PORTLAND, OREGON Tom Potter, Mayor
TO: Commissioner Sam Adams
Commissioner Randy Leonard
Commissioner Dan Saltman
Commissioner Erik Sten
Auditor Gary Blackmer

FROM: Mayor Tom Potter
DATE: May 7,2007

SUBJECT: Additional One-Time Revenue for FY 2007-08 Approved Budget

OMF has advised me of S2 million in additional revenue in FY 2006-07
from higher than expected
business license receipts. These funds were received and reported
following the April 15 business
tax filing deadline. This will result in 52 million in additional one-
time funds for FY 2007-08. The
timing of this good news fits well with budget approval on May 16,
Council Execs met last week and developed a list of currently
unfunded priority requests to include
in the Approved Budget. These indude:
Wordstock Event S100,OOO Commissioner Sten
School/Family/HousingI nitiative S30.000 Commissioner Sten
* 2417 T Support for Fire $70,000 Commissioner Sten
Platinum Bicycle Master Plan S 100,000 Commissioner Adams
Artspartners S 100,000 Commissioner Adams
Bumside Couch Enhancement Planning $500,000 Cormmissioner Adam

These requests total $900,000. 1 am directing OMF to include these
items in the "change memo"
they are distributing today. We will use this as the basis for
approving the Proposed Budget as
amended by the change memo.
Additionally, the Parks Bureau is tabling $450,000 in requests for
Westmodand Park current1 y
included in the Proposed Budget until next year when engineering
studies are completed. Instead,
the change memo should reflect the following requests for Parks:
Tree Policy & Code Project $260,336 Commissioner Sal tzman
City Nature Trail Planning $45,379 Commissioner Saltzman
Parks Service Level Work S80,OOO Commissioner Saltzman
Westmoreland Stadium Engineering $65.000 Commissioner Saltzman
In addition to the requests that can now be funded, there are other
requests that are important to the
Council and the community and that have already received scrutiny in
the FY 2007-08 budget
process. I propose that these i terns should be considered for
priority funding in the fail BUMP if
additional one-time funds are realized at year-end. I'm also asking
OMF to include in the revised
financial policies that we'll consider in June a provision that
dedicates at least 25% of unanticipated
ending fund balance, as determined by OMF and reported in the fall
Budget Monitoring Process, to
capital expenditures as an important step to begin funding our unmet
asset management needs.
Here's a partial list, and I welcome your input on others, so that we
together develop a list of
requests that will be the first to be funded with any additional one-
time funds in the fall.
Additional cost of archives center at PSU above what's been budgeted.
Balance of original request for visioning and strategic planning,
once Council adopts the
vision.
Emergency operations center or regional training center facility
costs if sites are identified-
Funds that may be needed to acquire buildings or other assets that
Multnomah County may
not need, assisting the City in its needs for facilities while
providing the County with
additional one-time funds.

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:31:32 -0700
From: "Candi Murray"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: ,
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Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over 230
come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from calling
them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA championships
Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

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Message: 6
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Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the recent
past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at
least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license and
took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong to
me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might
come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other Oregon
races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:37:32 -0700
From: "Laurel Gitlen"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB: 10 spd derailleurs
To: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID:

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looking for some cheap derailleurs that will run with DA-10 speed -
used 105's would be great. email me offlist laurelgitlenatgmail.com

thanks!

L

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:49:30 -0700
From: "Mike Murray"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: "'OBRA'"
Message-ID: <00b001c790fa$0d13be90$9901a8c0@MikeLT>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

The problem lies in defining "Oregon resident". Do people who live in
Vancouver and race frequently and only in Oregon count? What do we use as
proof of residence? Drivers license? What if they don't have one? Mailing
address? Anyone can have a PO Box. We have opted for the simplest
definition, annual OBRA member. Alternative definitions could be proposed.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 15:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

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Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the =
recent
past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in =
at
least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license =
and
took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong =
to
me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he =
might
come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other =
Oregon
races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:54:46 -0700
From: "Tim Schauer"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: , ,
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
championships Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

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Message: 11
Message-ID:

Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:00:29 -0700
From:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: OBRA
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

If it's going to be a "State Championship" it could be just residents. But, I
agree it would suck to exclude our neighbors (like Yreka also) who support OBRA
every year. Maybe you should have to have a license at the start of the season
to qualify for a Championship placing.
This may be a rare case since the championship race was in S. Oregon this year
and more Californians came up. I just hate seeing OBRA people bumped out by a
one time racer from Cali. Maybe we could charge them triple for an annual
license. j/k

---- Mike Murray wrote:
> The problem lies in defining "Oregon resident". Do people who live in
> Vancouver and race frequently and only in Oregon count? What do we use as
> proof of residence? Drivers license? What if they don't have one? Mailing
> address? Anyone can have a PO Box. We have opted for the simplest
> definition, annual OBRA member. Alternative definitions could be proposed.
>
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 15:20 PM
> To: OBRA
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
>
> From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State
> Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
> holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the recent
> past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring Thaw, in at
> least one case, someone from Central California bought an annual license and
> took home a State Championship medal (3rd place). This just seems wrong to
> me. I don't know if he did it just for that reason or he thought he might
> come up for another race. I didn't see him listed as doing any other Oregon
> races. Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to
> qualify? Dave M _______________________________________________
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:03:27 -0700
From: tackyglueit
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: "Tim Schauer"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing
outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship
privileges?

On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote:
>
> Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
> OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
> OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)
>
> -Tim Schauer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Candi Murray
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
> To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
> Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
> 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
> calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
> championships Candi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
> To: OBRA
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
>
> From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State
> Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
> holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
> recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
> Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
> annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
> This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
> reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
> listed as doing any other Oregon races.
> Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
> Dave M
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:22:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: hutchsraceteam
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: obra@list.obra.org
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I see value on both sides. One could easily argue that if one races frequently
in the Seattle area during the year that they should be eligible for the USCF
Washington State Championship? I think a good compromise would be to restrict
the Championship based on OBRA participation. The problem is coming up with a
way to administer it.

I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being eligible for the
Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show up and buy a
membership and take home the Championship. There are other Championships
available for other riders from other organizations or levels. Historically I
realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost had a rider
from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.

AP

tackyglueit wrote:

why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing
outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship
privileges?


On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote: Yep! There are
certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
championships Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

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Message: 15
Message-ID:

Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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I see value on both
sides. One could easily argue that if one races frequently in the
Seattle area
during the year that they should be eligible for the USCF Washington State
Championship? I think a good compromise would be to restrict the Championship
based on OBRA participation. The problem is coming up with a way to administer
it.
I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being
eligible for the Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show up
and buy a membership and take home the
Championship. There are other
Championships available for other riders from other organizations or levels.
Historically I realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost
had a rider from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.



AP

tackyglueit
wrote:

why would someone from
Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you live
in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges?





On 5/7/07, Tim
Schauer
<TSchauer@mackaysposito.com>
wrote:
Yep! There are certainly a lot
of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW
Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the
river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----
From:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA
Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032
riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have
tried to get away from
calling them the State
Championships and just calling them the OBRA
championships
Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org
] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent:
Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State
Championships

From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon
State
Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA
license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in
the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring

Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought
an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd
place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that

reason or he
thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing
any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon
resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:34:45 -0700
From: Jim Cavalieri
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS Chris King Single Speed Hub
To: obra@list.obra.org
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

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cog. $300

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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:36:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: STEVEN R HOLLAND
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: hutchsraceteam , obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <317153.14995.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Before ya all get to upset about this matter.....Check out what the medal says
"OBRA" Championship.....not "Oregon State" Championship. Like Candi said, these
are "OBRA" championships not state championships.

That being said, I would suggest no one be eligible to win a medal after
buying the OBRA membership on the day of the race.......

hutchsraceteam wrote:
I see value on both sides. One could easily argue that if one races
frequently in the Seattle area during the year that they should be eligible for
the USCF Washington State Championship? I think a good compromise would be to
restrict the Championship based on OBRA participation. The problem is coming up
with a way to administer it.

I have nothing against frequent OBRA participants being eligible for the
Championships. It is that fact that anyone can just show up and buy a
membership and take home the Championship. There are other Championships
available for other riders from other organizations or levels. Historically I
realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost had a rider
from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.

AP

tackyglueit wrote:

why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing
outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship
privileges?


On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote: Yep! There are
certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
championships Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

------------------------------

Message: 18
Message-ID:

Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Before ya all get to upset about this matter.....Check out what the medal
says "OBRA" Championship.....not "Oregon State" Championship. Like Candi said,
these are "OBRA" championships not state championships.

That being said, I would suggest no one be eligible to win a medal after
buying the OBRA membership on the day of the race.......

hutchsraceteam
wrote:

I see value on both
sides. One could easily argue that if one races frequently in the
Seattle area
during the year that they should be eligible for the USCF Washington State
Championship? I think a good
compromise would be to restrict the Championship based on OBRA participation.
The problem is coming up with a way to administer it.


I have nothing against
frequent OBRA participants being eligible for the Championships. It is that
fact that anyone can just show up and buy a membership and take home the
Championship. There are other
Championships available for other riders from other organizations or levels.
Historically I realize that this has not been an issue, but last year we almost
had a rider from the Tour of Italy win the regional title.



AP

tackyglueit
wrote:

why would someone from
Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing outside the state you live
in qualifies you for out of state championship privileges?





On 5/7/07, Tim
Schauer
<TSchauer@mackaysposito.com>
wrote:
Yep! There are certainly a lot
of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW
Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the
river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----
From:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA
Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032
riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have
tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just calling
them the OBRA
championships Candi

-----Original Message-----
From:
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[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org
] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent:
Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To:
OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

From what I can gather
the qualifications for the Oregon State
Championships, in any event, is that
the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And
has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this
weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central
California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal
(3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for
that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see
him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a
person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 23:36:11 +0000
From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: tackyglueit , "Tim Schauer"

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Because it is an OBRA Championship, not a state championship. Given the fact
that the Portland metropolitan area includes Vancouver, I think those people
belong, and the Three Rivers team lives in Longview, just across the river and
put on the Three Rivers Road Race in Rainier, Oregon. I do not think it would
be fair to exclude them. In fact, there are people all along the Columbia like
Dave Zimbleman who consistently race in Oregon, and OBRA was certainly proud of
his National Championship. This is not to ignore people in Northern California
who race in Oregon as well.

Lets not be parochial and welcome everyone, and if they are the better racer, I
guess we have to live with it. I think we are the better for their
participation.

I realize that Washington has a different rule, but there is no reason to follow
their narrrow perspective. Also, they probably do not have a large contingent
of out of state racers compared to Oregon, so it may be less of an issue.

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-------------- Original message --------------
From: tackyglueit

why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing
outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship
privileges?


On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote:
Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
championships Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org ] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships

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Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave M
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Because it is an OBRA Championship, not a state championship. Given the
fact that the Portland metropolitan area includes Vancouver, I think those
people belong, and the Three Rivers team lives in Longview, just across the
river and put on the Three Rivers Road Race in Rainier, Oregon. I do not think
it would be fair to exclude them. In fact, there are people all along the
Columbia like Dave Zimbleman who consistently race in Oregon, and OBRA was
certainly proud of his National Championship. This is not to ignore people in
Northern California who race in Oregon as well.


Lets not be parochial and welcome everyone, and if they are the better
racer, I guess we have to live with it. I think we are the better for their
participation.


I realize that Washington has a different rule, but there is no reason to
follow their narrrow perspective. Also, they probably do not have a large
contingent of out of state racers compared to Oregon, so it may be less of an
issue.


--

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(503) 502-0425


-------------- Original message --------------
From: tackyglueit


why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing
outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship
privileges?






On 5/7/07, Tim
Schauer
<TSchauer@mackaysposito.com>
wrote:

Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal,
very actively racing, long time
OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington.
There are even a few good
OBRA events up on this side of the river
too!...;-)

-Tim Schauer

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto: obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On
Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA
Chat] State Championships

Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032
riders currently jut over
230 come from California or Washington. I have
tried to get away from
calling them the State Championships and jus
t call
ing them the OBRA
championships Candi

-----Original
Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org
] On
Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
Sent:
Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] State
Championships

From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon
State
Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA
license
holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in
the
recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring

Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought
an
annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd
place).
This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that

reason or he thought he might come up for another
race.
I didn't see him
listed as doing any other Oregon races.
Any thoughts on
requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
Dave
M
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:47:50 -0700
From: "Joe Cipale"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
To: tackyglueit
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <200705072347.l47NloVs025978@sapphire.spiritone.com>

Hoooboy... let the smack-down start...

Many of us who live in Vancouver and race in OBRA because the nearest WA race is
up North at Mason Lake.

Otherwise we are looking at making long drives to race 'in state'. As long as I
have been a member (going on 15 years now), OBRA has never excluded based on
state of residence, nor should they. If a OBRA member lives in Washington... or
Idaho... or California and takes advantage of what promoters have to offer, then
they should be eligible to win OBRA Championships.

Joe C.

tackyglueit wrote:

> why would someone from Vancouver count? i don't see why frequently racing
> outside the state you live in qualifies you for out of state championship
> privileges?
>
>
>
> On 5/7/07, Tim Schauer wrote:
> >
> > Yep! There are certainly a lot of loyal, very actively racing, long time
> > OBRA members, that reside in SW Washington. There are even a few good
> > OBRA events up on this side of the river too!...;-)
> >
> > -Tim Schauer
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > Behalf Of Candi Murray
> > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:32 PM
> > To: masessa@charter.net; obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> >
> > Yes that is indeed the rule. Out of our 2032 riders currently jut over
> > 230 come from California or Washington. I have tried to get away from
> > calling them the State Championships and just calling them the OBRA
> > championships Candi
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> > Behalf Of masessa@charter.net
> > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
> > To: OBRA
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] State Championships
> >
> > From what I can gather the qualifications for the Oregon State
> > Championships, in any event, is that the racer be an annual OBRA license
> > holder. Is that all that's needed? And has this been examined in the
> > recent past? The reason I'm asking is that this weekend at the Spring
> > Thaw, in at least one case, someone from Central California bought an
> > annual license and took home a State Championship medal (3rd place).
> > This just seems wrong to me. I don't know if he did it just for that
> > reason or he thought he might come up for another race. I didn't see him
> > listed as doing any other Oregon races.
> > Any thoughts on requiring a person to be an Oregon resident to qualify?
> > Dave M
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:56:04 -0700
From: Jim Cavalieri
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Sold Chris King Single Speed Hub
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The hub is sold.

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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:57:21 -0700
From: "Guy Smith"
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Chris King hubs mavic open pro rims tufo clincher tubular tires all great shape,
450.00

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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 16:02:26 -0700
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 20:18:56 -0700
From: David Auker
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: Championship jerseys
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Candi Murray wrote:
> Is it time to redesign our jersey? What are your thoughts? If so, anyone
> want to take this on?
> Candi
I'd like to see them white 'n yellow, safe colors in traffic. Then they
could be worn in pride even in dimly-lit conditions, a visible statement
for racing AND safety!

David

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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:50:53 -0700
From: "Long, Steve"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW: Platinum Bike Master Plan
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Just in case this didn't get out to the list
Sweet.

________________________________

From: Van Keuren, Jeremy (Mayor's Office)
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Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 2:48 PM
To: Van Keuren, Jeremy (Mayor's Office)
Subject: Platinum Bike Master Plan

<<...OLE_Obj...>>

Office of Mayor Tom Potter

City of Portland

Greetings:

You are receiving this email in response to your concerns that the
Platinum Bicycle Master Plan was not included in Mayor Potter's initial
proposed budget.

The City's Office of Management and Finance has reported an additional
(and unexpected) $2 million in revenue for FY 06-07. This gives Mayor
Potter the opportunity to fund several important projects that were not
included in the initial proposed budget. This will include the Platinum
Bicycle Master Plan. Please read the attached memo for more details.

I appreciate your interest.

Sincerely,

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