J.Michael Manning
I agree with you, George. But why put yourself in a situation where the officer writing the ticket is allowed to make a "judgement" call?From: gschreckchat@comcast.netTo: cycleone23@hotmail.com; elongride@hotmail.com; junk@sharperphoto.com; obra@list.obra.orgSubject: RE: [OBRA Chat] cyclists ticketed in North PlainsDate: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 23:14:34 +0000
You do not have to put your foot down. We have this discussion every six months.
--George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425
-------------- Original message -------------- From: J.Michael Manning
Related to your post...last summer I was ticketed along with 7 others at the tune of $225 apiece at the very same intersection in North Plains. It was obviously a trap, as the officer sped by us about 400 meters before the intersection, whereupon he hid to watch us roll through the stop sign. During the course of writing 8 citations he explained to all of us that it was a judgement call, that we did not have to actually stop but that he had determined that we did not make sufficient effort to stop. So the best bet is to STOP and put a foot down. As much as I don't like to disrupt the flow of my workout, it's worth the effort. Then you don't have to argue the point.Mike Manning
> From: elongride@hotmail.com> To: gschreckchat@comcast.net; junk@sharperphoto.com; obra@list.obra.org> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:07:04 -0700> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclists ticketed in North Plains> > I seem to recall an Oregon law passed in recent years that, for cyclists, > effectively made stop signs yield signs - meaning that you would only stop > if there were actually traffic to stop for.> > I recall some heated debate on the obra list about this at the time, so I'm > pretty sure this law existed somewhere in Oregon.> > Does anybody remember this, or am I taking crazy pills?> > > ----Original Message Follows----> From: gschreckchat@comcast.net> To: Gary Cornilles , obra@list.obra.org> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclists ticketed in North Plains> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:38:57 +0000> > The ticket is
to the driver. Each of you happened too be one. If you want > more value for your dollar, next time, do it on a tandem.> > --> > George Schreck> gschreckchat@comcast.net> (503) 502-0425> > -------------- Original message --------------> From: Gary Cornilles > > > I was with Tim and got one of the $335. tickets. What I don't get is how > we can> > each be ticketed individually when we crossed the intersection as one. > Sureley,> > they don't expect a group of 15-20 cyclists to cross the intersection one > at a> > time do they?> >> > $335. x 3 for basically one infraction. For that kind of money We could > have> > driven while suspended, passed in a no passing zone, and killed someone. > I feel> > cheated...> >> > Are there any attorneys out ther
e that can give us advice on how to argue > this> > type of case?> >> > I agree that we should follow the rules of the road but, using safety as > a> > "reason" to site cyclists for rolling an empty 4-way stop is BS, they > should> > just call it what it is...a funding source. At least then I could be > spared the> > "speech" about how they are protecting us.> > _______________________________________________> > OBRA mailing list> > obra@list.obra.org> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> > > _______________________________________________> OBRA mailing list> obra@list.obra.org> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> > ______________________________________________________________
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