Brian Engelen
What is the requirement for large groups? Is only 1 bike allowed to proceed
per sequence? Or, can the whole group go together? I have been with big
groups of riders where we all stop together then proceed together. Is this
OK or are going to get ticketed?
Brian Engelen
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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of gschreckchat@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 4:15 PM
To: J.Michael Manning; Erik Long; junk@sharperphoto.com; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclists ticketed in North Plains
You do not have to put your foot down. We have this discussion every six
months.
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George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: J.Michael Manning
Related to your post...last summer I was ticketed along with 7 others at the
tune of $225 apiece at the very same intersection in North Plains. It was
obviously a trap, as the officer sped by us about 400 meters before the
intersection, whereupon he hid to watch us roll through the stop sign.
During the course of writing 8 citations he explained to all of us that it
was a judgement call, that we did not have to actually stop but that he had
determined that we did not make sufficient effort to stop. So the best bet
is to STOP and put a foot down. As much as I don't like to disrupt the flow
of my workout, it's worth the effort. Then you don't have to argue the
point.
Mike Manning
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> From: elongride@hotmail.com
> To: gschreckchat@comcast.net; junk@sharperphoto.com; obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:07:04 -0700
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclists ticketed in North Plains
>
> I seem to recall an Oregon law passed in recent years that, for cyclists,
> effectively made stop signs yield signs - meaning that you would only stop
> if there were actually traffic to stop for.
>
> I recall some heated debate on the obra list about this at the time, so
I'm
> pretty sure this law existed somewhere in Oregon.
>
> Does anybody remember this, or am I taking crazy pills?
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> To: Gary Cornilles , obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclists ticketed in North Plains
> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:38:57 +0000
>
> The tic ket is to the driver. Each of you happened too be one. If you want
> more value for your dollar, next time, do it on a tandem.
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Gary Cornilles
>
> > I was with Tim and got one of the $335. tickets. What I don't get is how
> we can
> > each be ticketed individually when we crossed the intersection as one.
> Sureley,
> > they don't expect a group of 15-20 cyclists to cross the intersection
one
> at a
> > time do they?
> >
> > $335. x 3 for basically one infraction. For that kind of money We could
> have
> > driven while suspended, passed in a no passing zone, and killed someone.
> I feel
> > cheated...
> >
> > Are there any attorneys ou t ther e that can give us advice on how to
argue
> this
> > type of case?
> >
> > I agree that we should follow the rules of the road but, using safety as
> a
> > "reason" to site cyclists for rolling an empty 4-way stop is BS, they
> should
> > just call it what it is...a funding source. At least then I could be
> spared the
> > "speech" about how they are protecting us.
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