Greg Crane
I use a fake (stolen) I.D. I give to the cops, I don't
pay taxes, am in the country illegally and have a ton
of credit card debt I will never have to pay. At
least 11 states have warrants for my arrest and in
Canada I am "persona non grata". I am however well
liked in Guatemala
I also race masters though my real age is 32, cross
the center line all the time, draft in TT's and have
long ago lost track of what I put in my body.
Rules are for suckers, fight the power and stick it to
the man. Personal responsibility is so old school.
Greg
The sarcasm in this e-mail is made with 85% recycled
material and the bitterness is derived from a 100%
Fair Trade, Shade Grown joyless childhood.
--- Edward Kendrick Sr
wrote:
> It's amazing that the people are willing to honor
> such goings-on. Don't stop for these cops. Don't
> give your name or accept a ticket.
>
> Would you stop for the "red-coats?" A gov't that
> behaves this way has made itself illegitimate.
>
> Kristin wrote:
> I got one as well during the infamous Salmon
> sting...I plead not
> guilty and showed up to court; my ticket was changed
> to a pedestrian
> violation (won't be on my driving record now) and
> the fine was brought
> down to around $100 instead of 250.
>
> Kristin
>
> On 7/8/07, David Oliphant wrote:
> >
> >
> > I got a ticket rolling a stop sign earlier this
> year. If you get one....do
> > the following:
> >
> > 1) Plead not guilty
> > 2) Get a court date
> > 3) Go to court and plead your case (I did...the
> judge threw out the fine)
> > 4) If found guilty (like I was) - ask the judge to
> record the ticket as a
> > bicycle infraction. Reason: If you don't...it can
> be recorded DMV record as
> > a moving violation.
> >
> > The good thing for me...no fine ($244 ticket
> originally)...I was found
> > guilty for not stopping (but, DMV does not
> recognize bicycle infraction on
> > your
> > driving record).
> >
> > Bottomline....the whole thing is a big 'goat
> rodeo' and money maker for the
> > city / county.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Edward Kendrick Sr
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 3:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclists ticketed in
> North Plains
> >
> >
> > We are in the paradigm of the automobile. As long
> as that is true, bicycle
> > riders should always be judged as innocent, even
> if they do something
> > unreasonable. Yes, global warming and such has
> made this true.
> >
> > $225 & $335. Hmmm. That's like having a cop force
> you to strip naked and
> > dance the macarena. Why not simply ignore the
> writhings of this policeman
> > and the ticket?
> >
> > Is this a symptom of a civil disobedience
> shortage?
> >
> >
> >
> > "J.Michael Manning" wrote:
> >
> > I agree with you, George. But why put yourself in
> a situation where the
> > officer writing the ticket is allowed to make a
> "judgement" call?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > To: cycleone23@hotmail.com; elongride@hotmail.com;
> junk@sharperphoto.com;
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] cyclists ticketed in
> North Plains
> > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 23:14:34 +0000
> >
> >
> > You do not have to put your foot down. We have
> this discussion every six
> > months.
> >
> > --
> >
> > George Schreck
> > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > (503) 502-0425
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: J.Michael Manning
> >
> > Related to your post...last summer I was ticketed
> along with 7 others at the
> > tune of $225 apiece at the very same intersection
> in North Plains. It was
> > obviously a trap, as the officer sped by us about
> 400 meters before the
> > intersection, whereupon he hid to watch us roll
> through the stop sign.
> > During the course of writing 8 citations he
> explained to all of us that it
> > was a judgement call, that we did not have to
> actually stop but that he had
> > determined that we did not make sufficient effort
> to stop. So the best bet
> > is to STOP and put a foot down. As much as I don't
> like to disrupt the flow
> > of my workout, it's worth the effort. Then you
> don't have to argue the
> > point.
> > Mike Manning
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > > From: elongride@hotmail.com
> > > To: gschreckchat@comcast.net;
> junk@sharperphoto.com; obra@list.obra.org
> > > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:07:04 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclists ticketed in
> North Plains
> > >
> > > I seem to recall an Oregon law passed in recent
> years that, for cyclists,
> > > effectively made stop signs yield signs -
> meaning that you would only stop
> > > if there were actually traffic to stop for.
> > >
> > > I recall some heated debate on the obra list
> about this at the time, so
> > I'm
> > > pretty sure this law existed somewhere in
> Oregon.
> > >
> > > Does anybody remember this, or am I taking crazy
> pills?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > > To: Gary Cornilles , obra@list.obra.org
> > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclists ticketed in
> North Plains
> > > Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:38:57 +0000
> > >
> > > The ticket is to the driver. Each of you
> happened too be one. If you want
> > > more value for your dollar, next time, do it on
> a tandem.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > George Schreck
> > > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > > (503) 502-0425
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Gary Cornilles
> > >
> > > > I was with Tim and got one of the $335.
> tickets. What I don't get is how
> > > we can
> > > > each be ticketed individually when we crossed
> the intersection as one.
> > > Sureley,
> > > > they don't expect a group of 15-20 cyclists to
> cross the intersection
> > one
> > > at a
> > > > time do they?
> > > >
> > > > $335. x 3 for basically one infraction. For
> that kind of money We could
> > > have
> > > > driven while suspended, passed in a no passing
> zone, and killed someone.
> > > I feel
> > > > cheated...
> > > >
> > > > Are there any attorneys out ther e that can
> give us advice on how to
> > argue
> > > this
> > > > type of case?
> > > >
> > > > I agree that we should follow the rules of the
> road
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