gschreckchat@comcast.net
I disagree with your position. I know people from Guatemala and you are not well liked in Guatemala.
--
George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Greg Crane
> I use a fake (stolen) I.D. I give to the cops, I don't
> pay taxes, am in the country illegally and have a ton
> of credit card debt I will never have to pay. At
> least 11 states have warrants for my arrest and in
> Canada I am "persona non grata". I am however well
> liked in Guatemala
>
> I also race masters though my real age is 32, cross
> the center line all the time, draft in TT's and have
> long ago lost track of what I put in my body.
>
> Rules are for suckers, fight the power and stick it to
> the man. Personal responsibility is so old school.
>
> Greg
> The sarcasm in this e-mail is made with 85% recycled
> material and the bitterness is derived from a 100%
> Fair Trade, Shade Grown joyless childhood.
> --- Edward Kendrick Sr
> wrote:
>
> > It's amazing that the people are willing to honor
> > such goings-on. Don't stop for these cops. Don't
> > give your name or accept a ticket.
> >
> > Would you stop for the "red-coats?" A gov't that
> > behaves this way has made itself illegitimate.
> >
> > Kristin wrote:
> > I got one as well during the infamous Salmon
> > sting...I plead not
> > guilty and showed up to court; my ticket was changed
> > to a pedestrian
> > violation (won't be on my driving record now) and
> > the fine was brought
> > down to around $100 instead of 250.
> >
> > Kristin
> >
> > On 7/8/07, David Oliphant wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I got a ticket rolling a stop sign earlier this
> > year. If you get one....do
> > > the following:
> > >
> > > 1) Plead not guilty
> > > 2) Get a court date
> > > 3) Go to court and plead your case (I did...the
> > judge threw out the fine)
> > > 4) If found guilty (like I was) - ask the judge to
> > record the ticket as a
> > > bicycle infraction. Reason: If you don't...it can
> > be recorded DMV record as
> > > a moving violation.
> > >
> > > The good thing for me...no fine ($244 ticket
> > originally)...I was found
> > > guilty for not stopping (but, DMV does not
> > recognize bicycle infraction on
> > > your
> > > driving record).
> > >
> > > Bottomline....the whole thing is a big 'goat
> > rodeo' and money maker for the
> > > city / county.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Edward Kendrick Sr
> > > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 3:18 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclists ticketed in
> > North Plains
> > >
> > >
> > > We are in the paradigm of the automobile. As long
> > as that is true, bicycle
> > > riders should always be judged as innocent, even
> > if they do something
> > > unreasonable. Yes, global warming and such has
> > made this true.
> > >
> > > $225 & $335. Hmmm. That's like having a cop force
> > you to strip naked and
> > > dance the macarena. Why not simply ignore the
> > writhings of this policeman
> > > and the ticket?
> > >
> > > Is this a symptom of a civil disobedience
> > shortage?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "J.Michael Manning" wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree with you, George. But why put yourself in
> > a situation where the
> > > officer writing the ticket is allowed to make a
> > "judgement" call?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > > To: cycleone23@hotmail.com; elongride@hotmail.com;
> > junk@sharperphoto.com;
> > > obra@list.obra.org
> > > Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] cyclists ticketed in
> > North Plains
> > > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 23:14:34 +0000
> > >
> > >
> > > You do not have to put your foot down. We have
> > this discussion every six
> > > months.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > George Schreck
> > > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > > (503) 502-0425
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: J.Michael Manning
> > >
> > > Related to your post...last summer I was ticketed
> > along with 7 others at the
> > > tune of $225 apiece at the very same intersection
> > in North Plains. It was
> > > obviously a trap, as the officer sped by us about
> > 400 meters before the
> > > intersection, whereupon he hid to watch us roll
> > through the stop sign.
> > > During the course of writing 8 citations he
> > explained to all of us that it
> > > was a judgement call, that we did not have to
> > actually stop but that he had
> > > determined that we did not make sufficient effort
> > to stop. So the best bet
> > > is to STOP and put a foot down. As much as I don't
> > like to disrupt the flow
> > > of my workout, it's worth the effort. Then you
> > don't have to argue the
> > > point.
> > > Mike Manning
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > > From: elongride@hotmail.com
> > > > To: gschreckchat@comcast.net;
> > junk@sharperphoto.com; obra@list.obra.org
> > > > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:07:04 -0700
> > > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclists ticketed in
> > North Plains
> > > >
> > > > I seem to recall an Oregon law passed in recent
> > years that, for cyclists,
> > > > effectively made stop signs yield signs -
> > meaning that you would only stop
> > > > if there were actually traffic to stop for.
> > > >
> > > > I recall some heated debate on the obra list
> > about this at the time, so
> > > I'm
> > > > pretty sure this law existed somewhere in
> > Oregon.
> > > >
> > > > Does anybody remember this, or am I taking crazy
> > pills?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > > From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > > > To: Gary Cornilles , obra@list.obra.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclists ticketed in
> > North Plains
> > > > Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:38:57 +0000
> > > >
> > > > The ticket is to the driver. Each of you
> > happened too be one. If you want
> > > > more value for your dollar, next time, do it on
> > a tandem.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > George Schreck
> > > > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > > > (503) 502-0425
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Gary Cornilles
> > > >
> > > > > I was with Tim and got one of the $335.
> > tickets. What I don't get is how
> > > > we can
> > > > > each be ticketed individually when we crossed
> > the intersection as one.
> > > > Sureley,
> > > > > they don't expect a group of 15-20 cyclists to
> > cross the intersection
> > > one
> > > > at a
> > > > > time do they?
> > > > >
> > > > > $335. x 3 for basically one infraction. For
> > that kind of money We could
> > > > have
> > > > > driven while suspended, passed in a no passing
> > zone, and killed someone.
> > > > I feel
> > > > > cheated...
> > > > >
> > > > > Are there any attorneys out ther e that can
> > give us advice on how to
> > > argue
> > > > this
> > > > > type of case?
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree that we should follow the rules of the
> > road
> === message truncated ===>
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