Joe Cipale

Yes.. correct.. EPO DOES have legitmate uses.. My Mother-in-Law was on it when she was recovering from Breast cancer. So was a college classmate.. so was my Uncle. EPO boosts red blood cell production. More red blood cells means greater oxygen capacity. If you have too much red bloods cells... you die... becuase instead of being able to flow through the body smoothly, the blood cells begin to clump becasue they are too dense.

You are obviously new to the sport and have not had much of a chance to learn/read about the foibles and follies that many former riders have gone through to get us to this point. Tommy SImpson died from doping... Many other have been caught (ala Vino) for blood boosting. Many have been caught (at various levels no less) using performance enhancing drugs. Pros, Amatuer, College... all have had their own runins with drugs and cheating regardless of the sport.

No one here has accused Mister Liggett of being anything but truthful. ANd as far as Phil is concerned, he is just as pissed off about the recent spate of news as anyone. Phill has been doing this a hell of a lot longer than YOU have been spinning your pedals. So if anyone has a clue as to what is what, it is Phil.

If someone cheats... that degrades not only thier performance, but also that of the competetors. It casts doubt into the minds of not only the particpants but also the organizers and the fans. Case in point: Have you been following the NBA scandal where the referee has admitted to 'point shaving' and calling games so as to influence the outcome of a game to affect the Vegas point spread? If you have, then you are fully aware of how the fans feel.. Now they question how much a single person influenced not only the outcome of a game, but the outcome of a season! (Did a team miss the playoffs becuase this offical was asked to influence the outcome? Did it impact temas that had made the playoffs?)

Fair play is a requirement for sport competition as well as life. It is something that most of us strive for. Those who cheat cheat everyone... including themselves.

Before you go any further (and make a bigger mistake of trying to argue this point), I suggest you read up on the history of not only Cycling. Google Tommy SImpson and Jacques Anquietil for starters, then move to Pedro Delgado, Marco Pantani, Kevin Lingingston (Yeah... I am convinced HE doped!).
Then you will understand the point of why people here are upset, disappointed, etc...

Joe

Karleta Reierson wrote:

> Oh, Mr. Liggitt is talking out his you know what? They use EPO for cancer
> patients. It can't be all bad..... I agree to disagree with what you have
> to say. I think if they won they should be able to keep their title.
> Karleta
>
>
> >From: "Malcolm, Gary"
> >To: Mark Jenkins , Erik Voldengen
> >
> >CC: obra@list.obra.org
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] vino = cheater
> >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:03:29 -0700
> >
> >The least credible event in sports is Mr. No-Neck beating Hank Aarons home
> >run tally, closely followed by any WWF match, followed by the Super Bowl of
> >450lbs meat packages, followed by Thoroughbred Horse Racing. You get my
> >point.
> >
> >
> >
> >Apparently, if you want to win a pro-cycling event you have to risk
> >strokes,
> >liver failure and blood poisoning in addition to 60 mph down hills. Sadly,
> >these people need to be protected from themselves.
> >
> >
> >
> >It's time for the Guillotine. I agree with Phil Liggett that anyone proved
> >to have doped should be banned forever and all their wins expunged back to
> >junior racing, starting today. Then the same for every paid member of their
> >support staff.
> >
> >
> >
> >You can tell I'm moving quickly through the shock and amazement phase
> >straight to being pissed, and I can only imagine what the VS. network, SAAB
> >and Subaru must be thinking
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Gary Malcolm
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >From: Mark Jenkins [mailto:mark.sopelana@gmail.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:56 AM
> >To: Erik Voldengen
> >Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] vino = cheater
> >
> >
> >
> >It's pretty clear that the amount of self-righteousness and hand wringing
> >among the Tour organizers at ASO is inversely proportional to the
> >credibility of the race.
> >
> >Does it seem to anyone else that ASO in recent months has backed off of
> >Armstrong? Could it be that in the wake of the Riis confession that they
> >were faced with the possibility that if Armstrong cheated -- as they
> >believed -- they would have no clean winners back to 1996? Riis, Ullrich,
> >Pantani, Armstrong, Landis. All of a sudden they very badly need Lance
> >Armstrong to be clean.
> >
> >If they had been successful in bringing Armstrong down, that would have
> >made
> >the Tour officially the least credible race on anyone's calendar, and
> >possibly the least credible major event in sports . So instead, they're all
> >over taking Riis's yellow jersey (pathetic) and squabbling with UCI
> >(absurd).
> >
> >How can it be otherwise? The sport has a problem, and this is the highest
> >stakes race in that problem sport for everyone involved -- sponsors,
> >riders,
> >teams. And on top of everything else, the race itself is brutal. Now you
> >have UCI and ASO saying publicly they hope Rasmussen doesn't win. What a
> >disaster.
> >
> >On 7/24/07, Erik Voldengen >
> >wrote:
> >
> >On 7/24/07, Malcolm, Gary > > wrote:
> >
> >Then four sketchy Rasmussen training disappearances make the press, My
> >beloved Vino mixes up blood bags (don't they label those things?), and now
> >I'm thinking, "Why is Contador SOOOO much better than anyone else?"
> >
> >
> >
> >I think it was only two missed checks, and UCI and Dutch Federation were
> >using the same database? Four warnings, but only two offenses. It takes
> >three to get suspended. Not that I think he's squeaky clean or anything,
> >I'm just sayin...
> >
> >Regarding Contador, how quickly we forget who he was riding for last year
> >(hint - Spanish guy caught with a briefcase full of money and some frozen
> >bags of blood). Not that I think he's dirty or anything, I'm just
> >saying...
> >
> >
> >-Erik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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