Patrick wilder

The reality is substance abuse in general is a HUGE problem. The long haul trucker does a little meth so he can make his delivery on time so he can keep his J-O-B.

It's not surprising these guys think they won't get caught, that is part of the cycle of addiction and substance abuse.

The reality is they are out of touch with it.

Erik Long wrote:
Why are we all so surprised at Vinokourov's positive test? When did we all
go back to thinking that the UCI Pro-Tour is so different from other
professional sports?

Are they doping? Hell Yeah, in addition to more training miles than you'll
ever see in your lifetime. It's not like these guys inject a magic
substance, sit on the couch and just get faster. Hell, EPO only works if
you're riding a hard schedule. The pain of riding hard is still there for
these riders, they're just going 10% faster than than they would if the dope
didn't exist.

Is it unfair to the riders who aren't doping? It would be naive of us to
assume that there are cyclists on the Pro Tour who don't care to keep their
jobs. But under the assumption that there are Pro Tour riders who "ride
clean", then yes, it would be unfair to them.

Vino's job (his J-O-B) is to be competitive at the top level of a
professional sport. Hundreds of miles of training every week, the strict
diet, the ability to handle a bike at 80mph, and all the natural talent in
the world isn't going to get 1 rider in 3 million to average 31mph in a 55k
time trial, no matter who's bike you put 'em on. That takes pharmaceutical
assistance, and if you want to keep your job, you'll do it because there
will always be new talent waiting to take your place.

That's the cold, hard, reality. And now that Vino's been caught doing what
he had to do in order to do his job, he'll lose his job, his career will
end, and the tour will go to another great rider and eventually, he'll get
caught, too.

----Original Message Follows----
From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
To: judson@math.harvard.edu, obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] vino = cheater
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:42:48 +0000

I think Atana's and Vino's silence speaks volumes. The result apparently
came from the test after the TT. In this case, there is not much reason to
wait. These guys are going to kill professional cycling.

Of course, I suspect that if other sports had rigorous testing, these would
be a lot of sports in trouble. I notice no one ever followed up on the
soccer palyers that supposedly were working with Fuentes. In baseball, guys
who tested positive are still playing and apparently in football, you can
still pay in the playoffs, make the alll star team and be eligible for
defensive player of the year after you serve your massive six-game
suspension for steriods. Attendance in all those sports still sets records
which only goes to show that the fans do not really care, nor do the money
interests. For some reason cycling always seems to be in everyone's
headlights both on the road and the press. It is not an excuse for cyclists
taking drugs, just a question why the rules are not enforced a stringently
for other sports. I suppose there is more moeny involved in other sports
which drives everything..

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George Schreck
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> Let's wait for the B sample to come back before we
> judge Vino as a cheater. Let the process run its
> course. There have been false positives in the past.
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