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In no way shape or form did he do what he HAD to do to keep his job. I see allot of riders slower than him who have jobs. Do they fire every rider who doesn't win? Of course not.
---- Erik Long wrote:
> Why are we all so surprised at Vinokourov's positive test? When did we all
> go back to thinking that the UCI Pro-Tour is so different from other
> professional sports?
>
> Are they doping? Hell Yeah, in addition to more training miles than you'll
> ever see in your lifetime. It's not like these guys inject a magic
> substance, sit on the couch and just get faster. Hell, EPO only works if
> you're riding a hard schedule. The pain of riding hard is still there for
> these riders, they're just going 10% faster than than they would if the dope
> didn't exist.
>
> Is it unfair to the riders who aren't doping? It would be naive of us to
> assume that there are cyclists on the Pro Tour who don't care to keep their
> jobs. But under the assumption that there are Pro Tour riders who "ride
> clean", then yes, it would be unfair to them.
>
> Vino's job (his J-O-B) is to be competitive at the top level of a
> professional sport. Hundreds of miles of training every week, the strict
> diet, the ability to handle a bike at 80mph, and all the natural talent in
> the world isn't going to get 1 rider in 3 million to average 31mph in a 55k
> time trial, no matter who's bike you put 'em on. That takes pharmaceutical
> assistance, and if you want to keep your job, you'll do it because there
> will always be new talent waiting to take your place.
>
> That's the cold, hard, reality. And now that Vino's been caught doing what
> he had to do in order to do his job, he'll lose his job, his career will
> end, and the tour will go to another great rider and eventually, he'll get
> caught, too.
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> To: judson@math.harvard.edu, obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] vino = cheater
> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:42:48 +0000
>
> I think Atana's and Vino's silence speaks volumes. The result apparently
> came from the test after the TT. In this case, there is not much reason to
> wait. These guys are going to kill professional cycling.
>
> Of course, I suspect that if other sports had rigorous testing, these would
> be a lot of sports in trouble. I notice no one ever followed up on the
> soccer palyers that supposedly were working with Fuentes. In baseball, guys
> who tested positive are still playing and apparently in football, you can
> still pay in the playoffs, make the alll star team and be eligible for
> defensive player of the year after you serve your massive six-game
> suspension for steriods. Attendance in all those sports still sets records
> which only goes to show that the fans do not really care, nor do the money
> interests. For some reason cycling always seems to be in everyone's
> headlights both on the road and the press. It is not an excuse for cyclists
> taking drugs, just a question why the rules are not enforced a stringently
> for other sports. I suppose there is more moeny involved in other sports
> which drives everything..
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
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>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Thomas W. Judson"
>
> > Let's wait for the B sample to come back before we
> > judge Vino as a cheater. Let the process run its
> > course. There have been false positives in the past.
> > --- Mike Bene wrote:
> >
> > >
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