Luciano bailey

Well said lets not forget crashes which even the best fail to recover or
find a comfort level without assistance of some kind. I don't personally
have any issue with any epo that wasn't available to all as a recovery
assistantance agent. Many of the riders who have tested positive have
coicidentally been the victims of crashes, and doping as a temporay remedy
is the common treatment in many sports. Just my penny

>From: "Erik Long"
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Vino's reality:
>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:00:43 -0700
>
>Why are we all so surprised at Vinokourov's positive test? When did we
>all go back to thinking that the UCI Pro-Tour is so different from other
>professional sports?
>
>Are they doping? Hell Yeah, in addition to more training miles than you'll
>ever see in your lifetime. It's not like these guys inject a magic
>substance, sit on the couch and just get faster. Hell, EPO only works if
>you're riding a hard schedule. The pain of riding hard is still there for
>these riders, they're just going 10% faster than than they would if the
>dope didn't exist.
>
>Is it unfair to the riders who aren't doping? It would be naive of us to
>assume that there are cyclists on the Pro Tour who don't care to keep their
>jobs. But under the assumption that there are Pro Tour riders who "ride
>clean", then yes, it would be unfair to them.
>
>Vino's job (his J-O-B) is to be competitive at the top level of a
>professional sport. Hundreds of miles of training every week, the strict
>diet, the ability to handle a bike at 80mph, and all the natural talent in
>the world isn't going to get 1 rider in 3 million to average 31mph in a 55k
>time trial, no matter who's bike you put 'em on. That takes pharmaceutical
>assistance, and if you want to keep your job, you'll do it because there
>will always be new talent waiting to take your place.
>
>That's the cold, hard, reality. And now that Vino's been caught doing what
>he had to do in order to do his job, he'll lose his job, his career will
>end, and the tour will go to another great rider and eventually, he'll get
>caught, too.
>
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
>To: judson@math.harvard.edu, obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] vino = cheater
>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:42:48 +0000
>
>I think Atana's and Vino's silence speaks volumes. The result apparently
>came from the test after the TT. In this case, there is not much reason to
>wait. These guys are going to kill professional cycling.
>
>Of course, I suspect that if other sports had rigorous testing, these would
>be a lot of sports in trouble. I notice no one ever followed up on the
>soccer palyers that supposedly were working with Fuentes. In baseball,
>guys who tested positive are still playing and apparently in football, you
>can still pay in the playoffs, make the alll star team and be eligible for
>defensive player of the year after you serve your massive six-game
>suspension for steriods. Attendance in all those sports still sets records
>which only goes to show that the fans do not really care, nor do the money
>interests. For some reason cycling always seems to be in everyone's
>headlights both on the road and the press. It is not an excuse for
>cyclists taking drugs, just a question why the rules are not enforced a
>stringently for other sports. I suppose there is more moeny involved in
>other sports which drives everything..
>
>--
>
>George Schreck
>gschreckchat@comcast.net
>(503) 502-0425
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: "Thomas W. Judson"
>
> > Let's wait for the B sample to come back before we
> > judge Vino as a cheater. Let the process run its
> > course. There have been false positives in the past.
> > --- Mike Bene wrote:
> >
> > >
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