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In some states, liability waivers are enforceable and in other states they are not. In Oregon they often (but not always) are enforceable, but in some stes like Massachusetts, a person cannot waive negligence in advance. In addition, if you run unsanctioned races in a community, if you irritate the community, it may make it impossible for a promoter to get a permit for a real race as all bicyclists get lumped together in the collective minds of the community. There is no valid reason for not getting a permit if you want to have an event.

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From: "Mike Murray"

I am not a lawyer (and I don't play one on TV) but I would not count on the strength of any waiver to provide protection against lawsuits. They may help you win suits but they will certainly not keep you from getting sued. Liability insurance is an absolute necessity. Most landowners and road use authorities will not give you permission to use their property or roads without it. Use without permission carries its own risks.

An event with a small number of competitors that doesn't cause much impact is one thing. Events with large numbers of participants are something completely different.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: eric aldinger [mailto:ewascent@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 23:03 PM
To: Luciano bailey
Cc: mike.murray@obra.org; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Interesting Story - A Cycling Phenomenon

Funny. I was just contemplating the desirability of an unsanctioned local marathon MTB race. I see the success of the Continental Divide race as a bellweather that free racing can work. Seems like all you need are a map, a group of hardy fools, and a solid liability waiver.

On Dec 10, 2007 9:54 PM, Luciano bailey wrote:

Well said Mike having participated in unsanctioned races I can tell you first hand the drama becomes exponential and I feel having an orginization in place to cover all of those unforseen is the only way to go. Heck even the messenger races this year were sanctioned cheers.

> From: mike.murray@obra.org
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:03:59 -0800
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Interesting Story - A Cycling Phenomenon
>
> My concern with the unsanctioned and unofficial races that Jeb describes is
> that they can often generate ill will in the non-cycling public, cause
> conflict with police agencies and occasionally lead to serious injuries and
> lawsuits. I have been on some of these rides in various parts of the
> country and they can be fun but they can also be pretty scary. Personally I
> have always thought that one of the strongest aspects of the bike racing
> scene in Portland is that we do NOT have unsanctioned regular races.
> Personally I think we are all better off when racing to have rules,
> officials, liability insurance, road use permits, first aid support, etc.
> Obviously bad things happen at official races too but at least there is an
> organized effort to minimize these. I guess the cost of this is entry fees
> and less "freedom". I think it is a reasonable price to pay.
>
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeb Stewart
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:46 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Interesting Story - A Cycling Phenomenon
>
>
> I know this might come across as shameless self-promotion because I am
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