Steve Brown

Do not really disagree that much. Was really suggesting establishing
a capital funds project to cover items like this. Just need someone
to take charge.

On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:38 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:

> If donations provided the necessary funds, I would not have a
> problem, but in this case, it seems that we only have $5,000 of the
> necessary $30,000. Since we must have the signs, it seems to be a
> poor way to raise funds for somehting that is necessary. I think
> donations for OBRA items is a good idea as well, but only if we
> have the option to not pursue the project or reduce its scope if
> the donations are not sufficient. In this case, we do not have
> that option. My objection is not based on philosopy, it is based
> on functionality.
>
> I do appreciate the anology. I wish I had some of Tim's ability
> though.
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Steve Brown
> I know it can be dangerous to getting involved with a contradiction
> to George, kind of like trying to hold Tim Luther on your hip high
> into turn one at Alpenrose on the bell lap of a matched sprint, but
> I think the one time request for capital funding is not a bad idea.
> Every couple a years we need a few new things. That is the time to
> ask. If there is a serious need for capital funding, suggest
> someone establish a committee, develop a plan and see how it works.
> Beyond that, a simple request for money to buy some new stuff is
> simple enough.
>
>
> Steve Brown
> On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:39 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
>
>> Not that I have a problem with a donation, as I was happy to do
>> so, but it seems to be a poor way to address these issues. If this
>> is something that OBRA must have, we need a funding source that
>> more or less guaranties that the funds will be raised. Donations
>> do not guaranty that the necessary funds will be raised, and given
>> the mandatory nature of the sign requirements, that is not
>> acceptable.
>>
>> I would think the OBRA rules should permit a special surcharge to
>> be added to the dues for a particular year. OBRA dues are fairly
>> low as it is, and an additional $15 surcharge seems fairly minor.
>> I realize that some people may think that any additional cost is
>> too much, but this is a necessary cost of racing and should be
>> borne by the membership generally. A surcharge would more or less
>> ensure that the necessay funds are raised. Donations are fine for
>> items that are discretionary, but it is not an adequate mechanism
>> for items that are necessary to conduct races. Juniors could still
>> be exempted from the surcharge.
>>
>> --
>>
>> George Schreck
>> gschreckchat@comcast.net
>> (503) 502-0425
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
>> Not knowing all those details, but assuming pretty much what you
>> and Candi just stated was why I posted what I did. I am not sure
>> what I would have purchased with the donation I made, but I do
>> know I can live without it for now. I am sure any amount people
>> donate will just get OBRA closer to being able to continue
>> providing quality support for races.
>> ron
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: john
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>>
>>
>> It has sounded to me like it has finally come to the point where
>> new road signs are a must. The old ones are heavy, cumbersome,
>> possibly dangerous, But mainly simply no longer qualified, no
>> longer approved... after a decade or so of being accomodating it
>> sounds like counties and state are starting to say no. Also if a
>> vehicle did hit a sign and someone got hurt: the ensuing liability
>> of having used a non-qualified sign.
>> It is not going to be easy to pick out the new sign/stand that
>> best fit obra's requirements... i.e. easy to handle, fast setup
>> and takedown, all fit in the truck, hard to steal, really durable
>> (or easy to fix), stay put in strong wind, yet light,?, etc, etc..
>> this is simply not going to be cheap.
>> (this all my personal opinion.. i did do a litle bit of research
>> into qualified signs, etc, result was my donation increased.)
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: David Diviney
>> To: T. Kenji Sugahara ; OBRA list list
>>
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:29:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update
>>
>> Not sure if this is the correct forum for this question but, since
>> Ron is begging (albeit jokingly).....is OBRA in under-funded? I
>> realize more money is better than less money, but is there any
>> risk of failure due to finances? I don't want to give up my
>> expensive components unless OBRA is on the verge of collapse (also
>> joking).
>>
>> Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:
>> Just my 2cents.... Why not ride some semi-expensive component just
>> one more
>> season instead of replacing it...and contribute that $$$ to obra?
>> Do it for
>> the children, pets, and general safety of all involved. Just give
>> please!
>> ronnie
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Yann Blindert"
>> To: "T. Kenji Sugahara" ; "OBRA list list"
>>
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update
>>
>>
>> > How many members are you expecting to renew or in
>> > other words are we tracking to make the $30,000 goal?
>> > It seems the average contribution is just over $14.50.
>> >
>> >
>> > Yann
>> >
>> > --- "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hey Folks,
>> >>
>> >> Quick update for y'all. First off - congrats to our
>> >> OBRA members who
>> >> performed quite well at CCX Natz. We're a ll pr o ud
>> >> of you.
>> >>
>> >> Second, 372 of you have renewed thus far with
>> >> donations of about
>> >> $5,400. We're slowly making our way to our goal of
>> >> $30K. Thank you
>> >> ALL for donating. Please renew today! (Makes it
>> >> easier for Candi and
>> >> I to get things ready for you on time)
>> >>
>> >> Third, the list of folks who will receive BAR awards
>> >> at our annual
>> >> meeting on January 12th will be announced shortly.
>> >>
>> >> Fourth, I am looking for women volunteers in
>> >> Portland, Salem, Eugene,
>> >> Southern Oregon and Bend to serve as volunteer
>> >> women's coordinators.
>> >> These individuals would serve as information
>> >> resources for women
>> >> interested in bike racing. (Would likely involve
>> >> answering simple
>> >> questions- e.g. are there any clinics in the area
>> >> etc.) We are< BR>> ;> looking for Cat 3's and above with at
>> least 3 years
>> >> of racing
>> >> experience.
>> >>
>> >> Finally, would anyone be interested in creating a
>> >> video for the annual
>> >> meeting? Contact me off list.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks so much!
>> >>
>> >> T. Kenji Sugahara
>> >> Assistant Director
>> >> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
>> >> 503-302-4935
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >
>> > Yann Blindert
>> > 646-662-7508
>> > nevens42@yahoo.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
>> Date: December 18, 2007 8:14:45 AM PST
>> To: "john" ,
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>>
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