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If there is a membership surcharge, it would have to be an add on to the dues and would have to be part of that process. It would not work as a separate process, as it would become voluntary.

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George Schreck
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From: tioflaco@comcast.net (Gordon Cumming)

> George,
> Your idea of a committe or surcharge are great, you should follow through on
> your great idea and volunteer your services to raise the needed funds. Don't
> know how busy Kenji is, but he can not do it all.
> Gordie
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > Agreed. We need a fund. I would appoint you, since you have superior
> > orgnaizational skills, and I have none whatsoever. However, this probably is
> a
> > project for Kenji.
> >
> > --
> >
> > George Schreck
> > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > (503) 502-0425
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Steve Brown
> > Do not really disagree that much. Was really suggesting establishing a capital
> > funds project to cover items like this. Just need someone to take charge.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:38 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> >
> > If donations provided the necessary funds, I would not have a problem, but in
> > this case, it seems that we only have $5,000 of the necessary $30,000. Since
> we
> > must have the signs, it seems to be a poor way to raise funds for somehting
> that
> > is necessary. I think donations for OBRA items is a good idea as well, but
> only
> > if we have the option to not pursue the project or reduce its scope if the
> > donations are not sufficient. In this case, we do not have that option. My
> > objection is not based on philosopy, it is based on functionality.
> >
> > I do appreciate the anology. I wish I had some of Tim's ability though.
> >
> > --
> >
> > George Schreck
> > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > (503) 502-0425
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Steve Brown
> > I know it can be dangerous to getting involved with a contradiction to George,
> > kind of like trying to hold Tim Luther on your hip high into turn one at
> > Alpenrose on the bell lap of a matched sprint, but I think the one time
> request
> > for capital funding is not a bad idea.
> > Every couple a years we need a few new things. That is the time to ask. If
> there
> > is a serious need for capital funding, suggest someone establish a committee,
> > develop a plan and see how it works. Beyond that, a simple request for money
> to
> > buy some new stuff is simple enough.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve Brown
> > On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:39 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> >
> > Not that I have a problem with a donation, as I was happy to do so, but it
> seems
> > to be a poor way to address these issues. If this is something that OBRA must
> > have, we need a funding source that more or less guaranties that the funds
> will
> > be raised. Donations do not guaranty that the necessary funds will be raised,
> > and given the mandatory nature of the sign requirements, that is not
> acceptable.
> >
> > I would think the OBRA rules should permit a special surcharge to be added to
> > the dues for a particular year. OBRA dues are fairly low as it is, and an
> > additional $15 surcharge seems fairly minor. I realize that some people may
> > think that any additional cost is too much, but this is a necessary cost of
> > racing and should be borne by the membership generally. A surcharge would more
> > or less ensure that the necessay funds are raised. Donations are fine for
> items
> > that are discretionary, but it is not an adequate mechanism for items that are
> > necessary to conduct races. Juniors could still be exempted from the
> surcharge.
> >
> > --
> >
> > George Schreck
> > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > (503) 502-0425
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
> >
> > Not knowing all those details, but assuming pretty much what you and Candi
> just
> > stated was why I posted what I did. I am not sure what I would have purchased
> > with the donation I made, but I do know I can live without it for now. I am
> sure
> > any amount people donate will just get OBRA closer to being able to continue
> > providing quality support for races.
> > ron
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: john
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
> >
> >
> >
> > It has sounded to me like it has finally come to the point where new road
> signs
> > are a must. The old ones are heavy, cumbersome, possibly dangerous, But mainly
> > simply no longer qualified, no longer approved... after a decade or so of
> being
> > accomodating it sounds like counties and state are starting to say no. Also if
> a
> > vehicle did hit a sign and someone got hurt: the ensuing liability of having
> > used a non-qualified sign.
> > It is not going to be easy to pick out the new sign/stand that best fit obra's
> > requirements... i.e. easy to handle, fast setup and takedown, all fit in the
> > truck, hard to steal, really durable (or easy to fix), stay put in strong
> wind,
> > yet light,?, etc, etc.. this is simply not going to be cheap.
> > (this all my personal opinion.. i did do a litle bit of research into
> qualified
> > signs, etc, result was my donation increased.)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: David Diviney
> > To: T. Kenji Sugahara ; OBRA list list
> > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:29:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update
> >
> > Not sure if this is the correct forum for this question but, since Ron is
> > begging (albeit jokingly).....is OBRA in under-funded? I realize more money is
> > better than less money, but is there any risk of failure due to finances? I
> > don't want to give up my expensive components unless OBRA is on the verge of
> > collapse (also joking).
> >
> > Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:
> > Just my 2cents.... Why not ride some semi-expensive component just one more
> > season instead of replacing it...and contribute that $$$ to obra? Do it for
> > the children, pets, and general safety of all involved. Just give please!
> > ronnie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Yann Blindert"
> > To: "T. Kenji Sugahara" ; "OBRA list list"
> >
> > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:55 AM
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update
> >
> >
> > > How many members are you expecting to renew or in
> > > other words are we tracking to make the $30,000 goal?
> > > It seems the average contribution is just over $14.50.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yann
> > >
> > > --- "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hey Folks,
> > >>
> > >> Quick update for y'all. First off - congrats to our
> > >> OBRA members who
> > >> performed quite well at CCX Natz. We're a ll pr o ud
> > >> of you.
> > >>
> > >> Second, 372 of you have renewed thus far with
> > >> donations of about
> > >> $5,400. We're slowly making our way to our goal of
> > >> $30K. Thank you
> > >> ALL for donating. Please renew today! (Makes it
> > >> easier for Candi and
> > >> I to get things ready for you on time)
> > >>
> > >> Third, the list of folks who will receive BAR awards
> > >> at our annual
> > >> meeting on January 12th will be announced shortly.
> > >>
> > >> Fourth, I am looking for women volunteers in
> > >> Portland, Salem, Eugene,
> > >> Southern Oregon and Bend to serve as volunteer
> > >> women's coordinators.
> > >> These individuals would serve as information
> > >> resources for women
> > >> interested in bike racing. (Would likely involve
> > >> answering simple
> > >> questions- e.g. are there any clinics in the area
> > >> etc.) We are< BR>> ;> looking for Cat 3's and above with at least 3 years
> > >> of racing
> > >> experience.
> > >>
> > >> Finally, would anyone be interested in creating a
> > >> video for the annual
> > >> meeting? Contact me off list.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks so much!
> > >>
> > >> T. Kenji Sugahara
> > >> Assistant Director
> > >> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
> > >> 503-302-4935
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >
> > >
> > > Yann Blindert
> > > 646-662-7508
> > > nevens42@yahoo.com
> > >
> > >
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> > From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
> > Date: December 18, 2007 8:14:45 AM PST
> > To: "john" ,
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
> >
> >
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