Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team

What about a sign sponsor. Their could be more than one. If we need 30 signs we charge 1000.00 per sign. You could put their name on the sign. How long is the sings good for. A name on a sign for 5 years for 1000.00 is a great deal.Cliff McCann
From: tioflaco@comcast.netTo: gschreckchat@comcast.net; sbrown@stevebrowncompany.comDate: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:00:32 +0000CC: obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signsGeorge,Your idea of a committe or surcharge are great, you should follow through on your great idea and volunteer your services to raise the needed funds. Don't know how busy Kenji is, but he can not do it all.Gordie -------------- Original message ----------------------From: gschreckchat@comcast.net> Agreed. We need a fund. I would appoint you, since you have superior > orgnaizational skills, and I have none whatsoever. However, this probably is a > project for Kenji.> > --> > George Schreck > gschreckchat@comcast.net > (503) 502-0425> > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Steve Brown > Do not really disagree that much. Was really suggesting establishing a capital > funds project to cover items like this. Just need someone to take charge.> > > > > On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:38 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:> > > If donations provided the necessary funds, I would not have a problem, but in > this case, it seems that we only have $5,000 of the necessary $30,000. Since we > must have the signs, it seems to be a poor way to raise funds for somehting that > is necessary. I think donations for OBRA items is a good idea as well, but only > if we have the option to not pursue the project or reduce its scope if the > donations are not sufficient. In this case, we do not have that option. My > objection is not based on philosopy, it is based on functionality.> > I do appreciate the anology. I wish I had some of Tim's ability though. > > --> > George Schreck > gschreckchat@comcast.net > (503) 502-0425> > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Steve Brown > I know it can be dangerous to getting involved with a contradiction to George, > kind of like trying to hold Tim Luther on your hip high into turn one at > Alpenrose on the bell lap of a matched sprint, but I think the one time request > for capital funding is not a bad idea. > Every couple a years we need a few new things. That is the time to ask. If there > is a serious need for capital funding, suggest someone establish a committee, > develop a plan and see how it works. Beyond that, a simple request for money to > buy some new stuff is simple enough.> > > > > Steve Brown> On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:39 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:> > > Not that I have a problem with a donation, as I was happy to do so, but it seems > to be a poor way to address these issues. If this is something that OBRA must > have, we need a funding source that more or less guaranties that the funds will > be raised. Donations do not guaranty that the necessary funds will be raised, > and given the mandatory nature of the sign requirements, that is not acceptable.> > I would think the OBRA rules should permit a special surcharge to be added to > the dues for a particular year. OBRA dues are fairly low as it is, and an > additional $15 surcharge seems fairly minor. I realize that some people may > think that any additional cost is too much, but this is a necessary cost of > racing and should be borne by the membership generally. A surcharge would more > or less ensure that the necessay funds are raised. Donations are fine for items > that are discretionary, but it is not an adequate mechanism for items that are > necessary to conduct races. Juniors could still be exempted from the surcharge. > > --> > George Schreck > gschreckchat@comcast.net > (503) 502-0425> > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser" > > Not knowing all those details, but assuming pretty much what you and Candi just > stated was why I posted what I did. I am not sure what I would have purchased > with the donation I made, but I do know I can live without it for now. I am sure > any amount people donate will just get OBRA closer to being able to continue > providing quality support for races.> ron> ----- Original Message ----- > From: john > To: obra@list.obra.org > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:04 PM> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs> > > > It has sounded to me like it has finally come to the point where new road signs > are a must. The old ones are heavy, cumbersome, possibly dangerous, But mainly > simply no longer qualified, no longer approved... after a decade or so of being > accomodating it sounds like counties and state are starting to say no. Also if a > vehicle did hit a sign and someone got hurt: the ensuing liability of having > used a non-qualified sign.> It is not going to be easy to pick out the new sign/stand that best fit obra's > requirements... i.e. easy to handle, fast setup and takedown, all fit in the > truck, hard to steal, really durable (or easy to fix), stay put in strong wind, > yet light,?, etc, etc.. this is simply not going to be cheap. > (this all my personal opinion.. i did do a litle bit of research into qualified > signs, etc, result was my donation increased.)> > > ----- Original Message ----> From: David Diviney > To: T. Kenji Sugahara ; OBRA list list > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:29:05 PM> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update> > Not sure if this is the correct forum for this question but, since Ron is > begging (albeit jokingly).....is OBRA in under-funded? I realize more money is > better than less money, but is there any risk of failure due to finances? I > don't want to give up my expensive components unless OBRA is on the verge of > collapse (also joking).> > Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote: > Just my 2cents.... Why not ride some semi-expensive component just one more > season instead of replacing it...and contribute that $$$ to obra? Do it for > the children, pets, and general safety of all involved. Just give please!> ronnie> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yann Blindert" > To: "T. Kenji Sugahara" ; "OBRA list list" > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:55 AM> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update> > > > How many members are you expecting to renew or in> > other words are we tracking to make the $30,000 goal?> > It seems the average contribution is just over $14.50.> >> >> > Yann> >> > --- "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:> >> >> Hey Folks,> >>> >> Quick update for y'all. First off - congrats to our> >> OBRA members who> >> performed quite well at CCX Natz. We're a ll pr o ud> >> of you.> >>> >> Second, 372 of you have renewed thus far with> >> donations of about> >> $5,400. We're slowly making our way to our goal of> >> $30K. Thank you> >> ALL for donating. Please renew today! (Makes it> >> easier for Candi and> >> I to get things ready for you on time)> >>> >> Third, the list of folks who will receive BAR awards> >> at our annual> >> meeting on January 12th will be announced shortly.> >>> >> Fourth, I am looking for women volunteers in> >> Portland, Salem, Eugene,> >> Southern Oregon and Bend to serve as volunteer> >> women's coordinators.> >> These individuals would serve as information> >> resources for women> >> interested in bike racing. (Would likely involve> >> answering simple> >> questions- e.g. are there any clinics in the area> >> etc.) We are< BR>> ;> looking for Cat 3's and above with at least 3 years> >> of racing> >> experience.> >>> >> Finally, would anyone be interested in creating a> >> video for the annual> >> meeting? Contact me off list.> >>> >> Thanks so much!> >>> >> T. Kenji Sugahara> >> Assistant Director> >> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association> >> 503-302-4935> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> OBRA mailing list> >> obra@list.obra.org> >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> >>> >> >> > Yann Blindert> > 646-662-7508> > nevens42@yahoo.com> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________________________________ ______ > _______> > Be a better friend, newshound, and> > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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--Forwarded Message Attachment--From: gschreckchat@comcast.netTo: sbrown@stevebrowncompany.comCC: obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signsDate: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:36:23 +0000
Agreed. We need a fund. I would appoint you, since you have superior orgnaizational skills, and I have none whatsoever. However, this probably is a project for Kenji.

--George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message -------------- From: Steve Brown Do not really disagree that much. Was really suggesting establishing a capital funds project to cover items like this. Just need someone to take charge.

On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:38 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:

If donations provided the necessary funds, I would not have a problem, but in this case, it seems that we only have $5,000 of the necessary $30,000. Since we must have the signs, it seems to be a poor way to raise funds for somehting that is necessary. I think donations for OBRA items is a good idea as well, but only if we have the option to not pursue the project or reduce its scope if the donations are not sufficient. In this case, we do not have that option. My objection is not based on philosopy, it is based on functionality.

I do appreciate the anology. I wish I had some of Tim's ability though.

--George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message -------------- From: Steve Brown I know it can be dangerous to getting involved with a contradiction to George, kind of like trying to hold Tim Luther on your hip high into turn one at Alpenrose on the bell lap of a matched sprint, but I think the one time request for capital funding is not a bad idea.
Every couple a years we need a few new things. That is the time to ask. If there is a serious need for capital funding, suggest someone establish a committee, develop a plan and see how it works. Beyond that, a simple request for money to buy some new stuff is simple enough.

Steve Brown

On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:39 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:

Not that I have a problem with a donation, as I was happy to do so, but it seems to be a poor way to address these issues. If this is something that OBRA must have, we need a funding source that more or less guaranties that the funds will be raised. Donations do not guaranty that the necessary funds will be raised, and given the mandatory nature of the sign requirements, that is not acceptable.

I would think the OBRA rules should permit a special surcharge to be added to the dues for a particular year. OBRA dues are fairly low as it is, and an additional $15 surcharge seems fairly minor. I realize that some people may think that any additional cost is too much, but this is a necessary cost of racing and should be borne by the membership generally. A surcharge would more or less ensure that the necessay funds are raised. Donations are fine for items that are discretionary, but it is not an adequate mechanism for items that are necessary to conduct races. Juniors could still be exempted from the surcharge.

--George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425

-------------- Original message -------------- From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
Not knowing all those details, but assuming pretty much what you and Candi just stated was why I posted what I did. I am not sure what I would have purchased with the donation I made, but I do know I can live without it for now. I am sure any amount people donate will just get OBRA closer to being able to continue providing quality support for races.
ron

----- Original Message -----
From: john
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs

It has sounded to me like it has finally come to the point where new road signs are a must. The old ones are heavy, cumbersome, possibly dangerous, But mainly simply no longer qualified, no longer approved... after a decade or so of being accomodating it sounds like counties and state are starting to say no. Also if a vehicle did hit a sign and someone got hurt: the ensuing liability of having used a non-qualified sign.
It is not going to be easy to pick out the new sign/stand that best fit obra's requirements... i.e. easy to handle, fast setup and takedown, all fit in the truck, hard to steal, really durable (or easy to fix), stay put in strong wind, yet light,?, etc, etc.. this is simply not going to be cheap.
(this all my personal opinion.. i did do a litle bit of research into qualified signs, etc, result was my donation increased.)

----- Original Message ----From: David Diviney To: T. Kenji Sugahara ; OBRA list list Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:29:05 PMSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] UpdateNot sure if this is the correct forum for this question but, since Ron is begging (albeit jokingly).....is OBRA in under-funded? I realize more money is better than less money, but is there any risk of failure due to finances? I don't want to give up my expensive components unless OBRA is on the verge of collapse (also joking).Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:
Just my 2cents.... Why not ride some semi-expensive component just one more season instead of replacing it...and contribute that $$$ to obra? Do it for the children, pets, and general safety of all involved. Just give please!ronnie----- Original Message ----- From: "Yann Blindert" To: "T. Kenji Sugahara" ; "OBRA list list" Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:55 AMSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update> How many members are you expecting to renew or in> other words are we tracking to make the $30,000 goal?> It seems the average contribution is just over $14.50.>>> Yann>> --- "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:>>> Hey Folks,>>>> Quick update for y'all. First off - congrats to our>> OBRA members who>> performed quite well at CCX Natz. We're all pro ud>> of you.>>>> Second, 372 of you have renewed thus far with>> donations of about>> $5,400. We're slowly making our way to our goal of>> $30K. Thank you>> ALL for donating. Please renew today! (Makes it>> easier for Candi and>> I to get things ready for you on time)>>>> Third, the list of folks who will receive BAR awards>> at our annual>> meeting on January 12th will be announced shortly.>>>> Fourth, I am looking for women volunteers in>> Portland, Salem, Eugene,>> Southern Oregon and Bend to serve as volunteer>> women's coordinators.>> These individuals would serve as information>> resources for women>> interested in bike racing. (Would likely involve>> answering simple>> questions- e.g. are there any clinics in the area>> etc.) We are
> ;> looking for Cat 3's and above with at least 3 years>> of racing>> experience.>>>> Finally, would anyone be interested in creating a>> video for the annual>> meeting? Contact me off list.>>>> Thanks so much!>>>> T. Kenji Sugahara>> Assistant Director>> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association>> 503-302-4935>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________>> OBRA mailing list>> obra@list.obra.org>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org>>>>> Yann Blindert> 646-662-7508> nevens42@yahoo.com>>> > _______________________________________________________________________ ______ _______> Be a better friend, newshound, and> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ>> _______________________________________________> OBRA mailing list> obra@list.obra.org> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> _______________________________________________OBRA mailing listobra@list.obra.orgget=_blank>http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obraUnsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

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Date: December 18, 2007 8:14:45 AM PST
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