Gordon Cumming
Cliff,
Interesting idea, MTB folks only pay for mtb stuff, roadies only pay for road stuff, track people pay for track stuff. Maybe as a community we pay for the equipment necessary to keep cycling in Oregon thriving and safe. I would pay because I'm part of OBRA.
Gordie
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team
>
> Are these signs used by mountain bike too. If not, I don't see why the mountain
> bike only people should pay extra. I would pay because I do both.Cliff McCann
> Team Pistis
> 541-659-4104
>
>
> From: gschreckchat@comcast.netTo: tioflaco@comcast.net;
> sbrown@stevebrowncompany.comDate: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:01:57 +0000CC:
> obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
> If there is a membership surcharge, it would have to be an add on to the dues
> and would have to be part of that process. It would not work as a separate
> process, as it would become voluntary.
>
> --George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message -------------- From: tioflaco@comcast.net
> (Gordon Cumming) > George, > Your idea of a committe or surcharge are great, you
> should follow through on > your great idea and volunteer your services to raise
> the needed funds. Don't > know how busy Kenji is, but he can not do it all. >
> Gordie > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From:
> gschreckchat@comcast.net > > Agreed. We need a fund. I would appoint you, since
> you have superior > > orgnaizational skills, and I have none whatsoever.
> However, this probably is > a > > project for Kenji. > > > > -- > > > > George
> Schreck > > gschreckchat@comcast.net > > (503) 502-0425 > > > > --------------
> Original message -------------- &g t; > From: Steve Brown > > Do not really
> disagree that much. Was really suggesting establishing a capital > > funds
> project to cover items like this. Just need someone to take charge. > > > > > >
> > > > > On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:38 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > >
> If donations provided the necessary funds, I would not have a problem, but in >
> > this case, it seems that we only have $5,000 of the necessary $30,000. Since >
> we > > must have the signs, it seems to be a poor way to raise funds for
> somehting > that > > is necessary. I think donations for OBRA items is a good
> idea as well, but > only > > if we have the option to not pursue the project or
> reduce its scope if the > > donations are not sufficient. In this case, we do
> not have that option. My > > object ion is not based on philosopy, it is based
> on functionality. > > > > I do appreciate the anology. I wish I had some of
> Tim's ability though. > > > > -- > > > > George Schreck > >
> gschreckchat@comcast.net > > (503) 502-0425 > > > > -------------- Original
> message -------------- > > From: Steve Brown > > I know it can be dangerous to
> getting involved with a contradiction to George, > > kind of like trying to hold
> Tim Luther on your hip high into turn one at > > Alpenrose on the bell lap of a
> matched sprint, but I think the one time > request > > for capital funding is
> not a bad idea. > > Every couple a years we need a few new things. That is the
> time to ask. If > there > > is a serious need for capital funding, suggest
> someone establish a committee, > > deve lop a plan and see how it works. Beyond
> that, a simple request for money > to > > buy some new stuff is simple enough. >
> > > > > > > > > > Steve Brown > > On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:39 AM,
> gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > > Not that I have a problem with a
> donation, as I was happy to do so, but it > seems > > to be a poor way to
> address these issues. If this is something that OBRA must > > have, we need a
> funding source that more or less guaranties that the funds > will > > be raised.
> Donations do not guaranty that the necessary funds will be raised, > > and given
> the mandatory nature of the sign requirements, that is not > acceptable. > > > >
> I would think the OBRA rules should permit a special surcharge to be added to >
> > the dues for a particular year. OBRA dues are fairly low as it is, and an > >
> additional $15 surcharge seems fairly minor. I realize that some people may > >
> think that any additional cost is too much, but this is a necessary cost of > >
> racing and should be borne by the membership generally. A surcharge would more >
> > or less ensure that the necessay funds are raised. Donations are fine for >
> items > > that are discretionary, but it is not an adequate mechanism for items
> that are > > necessary to conduct races. Juniors could still be exempted from
> the > surcharge. > > > > -- > > > > George Schreck > > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > > (503) 502-0425 > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > >
> From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser" > > > > Not knowing all those details, but
> assuming pretty much what you and Candi > just > ; > stated was why I posted
> what I did. I am not sure what I would have purchased > > with the donation I
> made, but I do know I can live without it for now. I am > sure > > any amount
> people donate will just get OBRA closer to being able to continue > > providing
> quality support for races. > > ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:
> john > > To: obra@list.obra.org > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:04 PM > >
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs > > > > > > > > It has sounded to
> me like it has finally come to the point where new road > signs > > are a must.
> The old ones are heavy, cumbersome, possibly dangerous, But mainly > > simply no
> longer qualified, no longer approved... after a decade or so of > being > >
> accomodating it sounds like counties and state are starting to say no. Als o if
> < BR>> a > > vehicle did hit a sign and someone got hurt: the ensuing liability
> of having > > used a non-qualified sign. > > It is not going to be easy to pick
> out the new sign/stand that best fit obra's > > requirements... i.e. easy to
> handle, fast setup and takedown, all fit in the > > truck, hard to steal, really
> durable (or easy to fix), stay put in strong > wind, > > yet light,?, etc, etc..
> this is simply not going to be cheap. > > (this all my personal opinion.. i did
> do a litle bit of research into > qualified > > signs, etc, result was my
> donation increased.) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: David
> Diviney > > To: T. Kenji Sugahara ; OBRA list list > > Sent: Monday, December
> 17, 2007 3:29:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update < BR>> ; > > > Not sure
> if this is the correct forum for this question but, since Ron is > > begging
> (albeit jokingly).....is OBRA in under-funded? I realize more money is > >
> better than less money, but is there any risk of failure due to finances? I > >
> don't want to give up my expensive components unless OBRA is on the verge of > >
> collapse (also joking). > > > > Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote: > > Just my
> 2cents.... Why not ride some semi-expensive component just one more > > season
> instead of replacing it...and contribute that $$$ to obra? Do it for > > the
> children, pets, and general safety of all involved. Just give please! > > ronnie
> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Yann Blindert" > > To: "T. Kenji
> Sugahara" ; "OBRA list list" > > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:55 AM >
> ; > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update > > > > > > > How many members are you
> expecting to renew or in > > > other words are we tracking to make the $30,000
> goal? > > > It seems the average contribution is just over $14.50. > > > > > > >
> > > Yann > > > > > > --- "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote: > > > > > >> Hey Folks, > >
> >> > > >> Quick update for y'all. First off - congrats to our > > >> OBRA
> members who > > >> performed quite well at CCX Natz. We're a ll pr o ud > > >>
> of you. > > >> > > >> Second, 372 of you have renewed thus far with > > >>
> donations of about > > >> $5,400. We're slowly making our way to our goal of > >
> >> $30K. Thank you > > >> ALL for donati ng. Pl ease renew today! (Makes it > >
> >> easier for Candi and > > >> I to get things ready for you on time) > > >> > >
> >> Third, the list of folks who will receive BAR awards > > >> at our annual > >
> >> meeting on January 12th will be announced shortly. > > >> > > >> Fourth, I am
> looking for women volunteers in > > >> Portland, Salem, Eugene, > > >> Southern
> Oregon and Bend to serve as volunteer > > >> women's coordinators. > > >> These
> individuals would serve as information > > >> resources for women > > >>
> interested in bike racing. (Would likely involve > > >> answering simple > > >>
> questions- e.g. are there any clinics in the area > > >> etc.) We are< BR>> ;>
> looking for Cat 3's and above with at l east 3 years > > >> of racing > > >>
> experience. > > >> > > >> Finally, would anyone be interested in creating a > >
> >> video for the annual > > >> meeting? Contact me off list. > > >> > > >>
> Thanks so much! > > >> > > >> T. Kenji Sugahara > > >> Assistant Director > > >>
> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association > > >> 503-302-4935 > > >> > > >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> OBRA mailing
> list > > >> obra@list.obra.org > > >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > > >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ya
> nn Bli ndert > > > 646-662-7508 > > > nevens42@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > > > > > > > From: "Ron and
> Dorothy Strasser" > > Date: December 18, 2007 8:14:45 AM PST > > To: "john" , >
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs > > > > > > > > > >
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> --Forwarded Message Attachment--From: tioflaco@comcast.netTo:
> gschreckchat@comcast.net; sbrown@stevebrowncompany.comCC:
> obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signsDate: Tue, 18 Dec
> 2007 19:00:33 +0000
> --Forwarded Message Attachment--From: gschreckchat@comcast.netTo:
> sbrown@stevebrowncompany.comCC: obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat]
> Update / road signsDate: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:36:23 +0000
> Agreed. We need a fund. I would appoint you, since you have superior
> orgnaizational skills, and I have none whatsoever. However, this probably is a
> project for Kenji.
>
> --George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Steve Brown
> Do not really disagree that much. Was really
> suggesting establishing a capital funds project to cover items like this. Just
> need someone to take charge.
>
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:38 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
>
> If donations provided the necessary funds, I would not have a problem, but in
> this case, it seems that we only have $5,000 of the necessary $30,000. Since we
> must have the signs, it seems to be a poor way to raise funds for somehting that
> is necessary. I think donations for OBRA items is a good idea as well, but only
> if we have the option to not pursue the project or reduce its scope if the
> donations are not sufficient. In this case, we do not have that option. My
> objection is not based on philosopy, it is based on functionality.
>
> I do appreciate the anology. I wish I had some of Tim's ability though.
>
> --George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Steve Brown
> I know it can be dangerous to getting involved
> with a contradiction to George, kind of like trying to hold Tim Luther on your
> hip high into turn one at Alpenrose on the bell lap of a matched sprint, but I
> think the one time request for capital funding is not a bad idea.
> Every couple a years we need a few new things. That is the time to ask. If there
> is a serious need for capital funding, suggest someone establish a committee,
> develop a plan and see how it works. Beyond that, a simple request for money to
> buy some new stuff is simple enough.
>
>
> Steve Brown
>
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:39 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
>
> Not that I have a problem with a donation, as I was happy to do so, but it seems
> to be a poor way to address these issues. If this is something that OBRA must
> have, we need a funding source that more or less guaranties that the funds will
> be raised. Donations do not guaranty that the necessary funds will be raised,
> and given the mandatory nature of the sign requirements, that is not acceptable.
>
> I would think the OBRA rules should permit a special surcharge to be added to
> the dues for a particular year. OBRA dues are fairly low as it is, and an
> additional $15 surcharge seems fairly minor. I realize that some people may
> think that any additional cost is too much, but this is a necessary cost of
> racing and should be borne by the membership generally. A surcharge would more
> or less ensure that the necessay funds are raised. Donations are fine for items
> that are discretionary, but it is not an adequate mechanism for items that are
> necessary to conduct races. Juniors could still be exempted from the surcharge.
>
> --George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425
>
> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
>
> Not knowing all those details, but assuming pretty much what you and Candi just
> stated was why I posted what I did. I am not sure what I would have purchased
> with the donation I made, but I do know I can live without it for now. I am sure
> any amount people donate will just get OBRA closer to being able to continue
> providing quality support for races.
> ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: john
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>
>
>
> It has sounded to me like it has finally come to the point where new road signs
> are a must. The old ones are heavy, cumbersome, possibly dangerous, But mainly
> simply no longer qualified, no longer approved... after a decade or so of being
> accomodating it sounds like counties and state are starting to say no. Also if a
> vehicle did hit a sign and someone got hurt: the ensuing liability of having
> used a non-qualified sign.
> It is not going to be easy to pick out the new sign/stand that best fit obra's
> requirements... i.e. easy to handle, fast setup and takedown, all fit in the
> truck, hard to steal, really durable (or easy to fix), stay put in strong wind,
> yet light,?, etc, etc.. this is simply not going to be cheap.
> (this all my personal opinion.. i did do a litle bit of research into qualified
> signs, etc, result was my donation increased.)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----From: David Diviney To: T.
> Kenji Sugahara ; OBRA list list Sent:
> Monday, December 17, 2007 3:29:05 PMSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] UpdateNot sure if
> this is the correct forum for this question but, since Ron is begging (albeit
> jokingly).....is OBRA in under-funded? I realize more money is better than less
> money, but is there any risk of failure due to finances? I don't want to give up
> my expensive components unless OBRA is on the verge of collapse (also
> joking).Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:
> Just my 2cents.... Why not ride some semi-expensive component just one more
> season instead of replacing it...and contribute that $$$ to obra? Do it for the
> children, pets, and general safety of all involved. Just give please!ronnie-----
> Original Message ----- From: "Yann Blindert" To: "T. Kenji Sugahara" ; "OBRA
> list list" Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:55 AMSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat]
> Update> How many members are you expecting to renew or in> other words are we
> tracking to make the $30,000 goal?> It seems the average contribution is just
> over $14.50.>>> Yann>> --- "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:>>> Hey Folks,>>>> Quick
> update for y'all. First off - congrats to our>> OBRA members who>> performed
> quite well at CCX Natz. We're a ll pr o ud>> of you.>>>> Second, 372 of you have
> renewed thus far with>> donations of about>> $5,400. We're slowly making our way
> to our goal of>> $30K. Thank you>> ALL for donating. Please renew today! (Makes
> it>> easier for Candi and>> I to get things ready for you on time)>>>> Third,
> the list of folks who will receive BAR awards>> at our annual>> meeting on
> January 12th will be announced shortly.>>>> Fourth, I am looking for women
> volunteers in>> Portland, Salem, Eugene,>> Southern Oregon and Bend to serve as
> volunteer>> women's coordinators.>> These individuals would serve as
> information>> resources for women>> interested in bike racing. (Would likely
> involve>> answering simple>> questions- e.g. are there any clinics in the area>>
> etc.) We a re< BR>> ;> looking for Cat 3's and above with at least 3 years>> of
> racing>> experience.>>>> Finally, would anyone be interested in creating a>>
> video for the annual>> meeting? Contact me off list.>>>> Thanks so much!>>>> T.
> Kenji Sugahara>> Assistant Director>> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association>>
> 503-302-4935>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________>> OBRA
> mailing list>> obra@list.obra.org>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra>>
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org>>>>> Yann Blindert> 646-662-7508>
> nevens42@yahoo.com>>> >
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