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Jeff Tedder & Shari

2007-12-18

Kenji,

I think with a few more glasses of Champagne, we could figure it out....

See ya
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
To: "Gordon Cumming"
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs

> Just to fill in a little more, I've talked with Candi about setting a
> capital improvement fund. That shouldn't be difficult. At the moment,
> we do have a savings account- but I really think it is a matter of
> accounting.
>
> As far as the purpose of the donations- there is more than the road
> signs. We have to replace radios (that are also used for CCX and
> other events), buy some new computers for registration (we are
> currently figuring out a way to network a bunch of computers to link
> registration and the finish camera). We also adding barcodes to your
> new membership cards to eventually be used to speed your registration
> process.
>
> We're doing this to make sure we all have the best experience
> possible! (by making the entire process more accurate and efficient!).
>
> If you ever have any questions, Candi and I are here to answer em for
> you!
>
> Thanks!
>
> k-
>
> ps. Fitting all the OBRA equipment in my Subaru would be an
> interesting task. :D
>
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Gordon Cumming wrote:
>
>> Cliff,
>> Interesting idea, MTB folks only pay for mtb stuff, roadies only pay
>> for road stuff, track people pay for track stuff. Maybe as a
>> community we pay for the equipment necessary to keep cycling in
>> Oregon thriving and safe. I would pay because I'm part of OBRA.
>> Gordie
>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team
>>>
>>> Are these signs used by mountain bike too. If not, I don't see why
>>> the mountain
>>> bike only people should pay extra. I would pay because I do
>>> both.Cliff McCann
>>> Team Pistis
>>> 541-659-4104
>>>
>>>
>>> From: gschreckchat@comcast.netTo: tioflaco@comcast.net;
>>> sbrown@stevebrowncompany.comDate: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:01:57 +0000CC:
>>> obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>>> If there is a membership surcharge, it would have to be an add on
>>> to the dues
>>> and would have to be part of that process. It would not work as a
>>> separate
>>> process, as it would become voluntary.
>>>
>>> --George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message -------------- From:
>>> tioflaco@comcast.net
>>> (Gordon Cumming) > George, > Your idea of a committe or surcharge
>>> are great, you
>>> should follow through on > your great idea and volunteer your
>>> services to raise
>>> the needed funds. Don't > know how busy Kenji is, but he can not do
>>> it all. >
>>> Gordie > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >
>>> From:
>>> gschreckchat@comcast.net > > Agreed. We need a fund. I would
>>> appoint you, since
>>> you have superior > > orgnaizational skills, and I have none
>>> whatsoever.
>>> However, this probably is > a > > project for Kenji. > > > > -- > >
>>> > > George
>>> Schreck > > gschreckchat@comcast.net > > (503) 502-0425 > > > >
>>> --------------
>>> Original message -------------- &g t; > From: Steve Brown > > Do
>>> not really
>>> disagree that much. Was really suggesting establishing a capital >
>>> > funds
>>> project to cover items like this. Just need someone to take charge.
>>> > > > > > >
>>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:38 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote: >
>>>>>>> > > > > >
>>> If donations provided the necessary funds, I would not have a
>>> problem, but in >
>>>> this case, it seems that we only have $5,000 of the necessary
>>>> $30,000. Since >
>>> we > > must have the signs, it seems to be a poor way to raise
>>> funds for
>>> somehting > that > > is necessary. I think donations for OBRA items
>>> is a good
>>> idea as well, but > only > > if we have the option to not pursue
>>> the project or
>>> reduce its scope if the > > donations are not sufficient. In this
>>> case, we do
>>> not have that option. My > > object ion is not based on philosopy,
>>> it is based
>>> on functionality. > > > > I do appreciate the anology. I wish I had
>>> some of
>>> Tim's ability though. > > > > -- > > > > George Schreck > >
>>> gschreckchat@comcast.net > > (503) 502-0425 > > > > --------------
>>> Original
>>> message -------------- > > From: Steve Brown > > I know it can be
>>> dangerous to
>>> getting involved with a contradiction to George, > > kind of like
>>> trying to hold
>>> Tim Luther on your hip high into turn one at > > Alpenrose on the
>>> bell lap of a
>>> matched sprint, but I think the one time > request > > for capital
>>> funding is
>>> not a bad idea. > > Every couple a years we need a few new things.
>>> That is the
>>> time to ask. If > there > > is a serious need for capital funding,
>>> suggest
>>> someone establish a committee, > > deve lop a plan and see how it
>>> works. Beyond
>>> that, a simple request for money > to > > buy some new stuff is
>>> simple enough. >
>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Brown > > On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:39 AM,
>>> gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > > Not that I have a
>>> problem with a
>>> donation, as I was happy to do so, but it > seems > > to be a poor
>>> way to
>>> address these issues. If this is something that OBRA must > > have,
>>> we need a
>>> funding source that more or less guaranties that the funds > will >
>>> > be raised.
>>> Donations do not guaranty that the necessary funds will be raised,
>>> > > and given
>>> the mandatory nature of the sign requirements, that is not >
>>> acceptable. > > > >
>>> I would think the OBRA rules should permit a special surcharge to
>>> be added to >
>>>> the dues for a particular year. OBRA dues are fairly low as it is,
>>>> and an > >
>>> additional $15 surcharge seems fairly minor. I realize that some
>>> people may > >
>>> think that any additional cost is too much, but this is a necessary
>>> cost of > >
>>> racing and should be borne by the membership generally. A surcharge
>>> would more >
>>>> or less ensure that the necessay funds are raised. Donations are
>>>> fine for >
>>> items > > that are discretionary, but it is not an adequate
>>> mechanism for items
>>> that are > > necessary to conduct races. Juniors could still be
>>> exempted from
>>> the > surcharge. > > > > -- > > > > George Schreck > >
>>> gschreckchat@comcast.net
>>>>> (503) 502-0425 > > > > -------------- Original message
>>>>> -------------- > >
>>> From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser" > > > > Not knowing all those
>>> details, but
>>> assuming pretty much what you and Candi > just > ; > stated was why
>>> I posted
>>> what I did. I am not sure what I would have purchased > > with the
>>> donation I
>>> made, but I do know I can live without it for now. I am > sure > >
>>> any amount
>>> people donate will just get OBRA closer to being able to continue >
>>> > providing
>>> quality support for races. > > ron > > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > > From:
>>> john > > To: obra@list.obra.org > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007
>>> 5:04 PM > >
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs > > > > > > > > It has
>>> sounded to
>>> me like it has finally come to the point where new road > signs > >
>>> are a must.
>>> The old ones are heavy, cumbersome, possibly dangerous, But mainly
>>> > > simply no
>>> longer qualified, no longer approved... after a decade or so of >
>>> being > >
>>> accomodating it sounds like counties and state are starting to say
>>> no. Als o if
>>> > a > > vehicle did hit a sign and someone got hurt: the
>>> ensuing liability
>>> of having > > used a non-qualified sign. > > It is not going to be
>>> easy to pick
>>> out the new sign/stand that best fit obra's > > requirements...
>>> i.e. easy to
>>> handle, fast setup and takedown, all fit in the > > truck, hard to
>>> steal, really
>>> durable (or easy to fix), stay put in strong > wind, > > yet
>>> light,?, etc, etc..
>>> this is simply not going to be cheap. > > (this all my personal
>>> opinion.. i did
>>> do a litle bit of research into > qualified > > signs, etc, result
>>> was my
>>> donation increased.) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > >
>>> From: David
>>> Diviney > > To: T. Kenji Sugahara ; OBRA list list > > Sent:
>>> Monday, December
>>> 17, 2007 3:29:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update > ; >
>>> > > Not sure
>>> if this is the correct forum for this question but, since Ron is >
>>> > begging
>>> (albeit jokingly).....is OBRA in under-funded? I realize more money
>>> is > >
>>> better than less money, but is there any risk of failure due to
>>> finances? I > >
>>> don't want to give up my expensive components unless OBRA is on the
>>> verge of > >
>>> collapse (also joking). > > > > Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote: > >
>>> Just my
>>> 2cents.... Why not ride some semi-expensive component just one more
>>> > > season
>>> instead of replacing it...and contribute that $$$ to obra? Do it
>>> for > > the
>>> children, pets, and general safety of all involved. Just give
>>> please! > > ronnie
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Yann Blindert" > > To:
>>>>> "T. Kenji
>>> Sugahara" ; "OBRA list list" > > > > Sent: Monday, December 17,
>>> 2007 11:55 AM >
>>> ; > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update > > > > > > > How many members
>>> are you
>>> expecting to renew or in > > > other words are we tracking to make
>>> the $30,000
>>> goal? > > > It seems the average contribution is just over $14.50.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>>>> Yann > > > > > > --- "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote: > > > > > >> Hey
>>>>> Folks, > >
>>>>>>>>> Quick update for y'all. First off - congrats to our > > >> OBRA
>>> members who > > >> performed quite well at CCX Natz. We're a ll pr
>>> o ud > > >>
>>> of you. > > >> > > >> Second, 372 of you have renewed thus far with
>>> > > >>
>>> donations of about > > >> $5,400. We're slowly making our way to
>>> our goal of > >
>>>>> $30K. Thank you > > >> ALL for donati ng. Pl ease renew today!
>>>>> (Makes it > >
>>>>> easier for Candi and > > >> I to get things ready for you on
>>>>> time) > > >> > >
>>>>> Third, the list of folks who will receive BAR awards > > >> at
>>>>> our annual > >
>>>>> meeting on January 12th will be announced shortly. > > >> > > >>
>>>>> Fourth, I am
>>> looking for women volunteers in > > >> Portland, Salem, Eugene, > >
>>> >> Southern
>>> Oregon and Bend to serve as volunteer > > >> women's coordinators.
>>> > > >> These
>>> individuals would serve as information > > >> resources for women >
>>> > >>
>>> interested in bike racing. (Would likely involve > > >> answering
>>> simple > > >>
>>> questions- e.g. are there any clinics in the area > > >> etc.) We
>>> are > ;>
>>> looking for Cat 3's and above with at l east 3 years > > >> of
>>> racing > > >>
>>> experience. > > >> > > >> Finally, would anyone be interested in
>>> creating a > >
>>>>> video for the annual > > >> meeting? Contact me off list. > > >>
>>>>> > > >>
>>> Thanks so much! > > >> > > >> T. Kenji Sugahara > > >> Assistant
>>> Director > > >>
>>> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association > > >> 503-302-4935 > > >> > > >>
>>> > > >> > >
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >> OBRA
>>>>>>>>> mailing
>>> list > > >> obra@list.obra.org > > >>
>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>>>>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > >> > > > > > >
>>>>>>> > > > Ya
>>> nn Bli ndert > > > 646-662-7508 > > > nevens42@yahoo.com > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
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>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > > > > > > > From:
>>> "Ron and
>>> Dorothy Strasser" > > Date: December 18, 2007 8:14:45 AM PST > >
>>> To: "john" , >
>>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs > > > > > > > > > >
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>>> --Forwarded Message Attachment--From: tioflaco@comcast.netTo:
>>> gschreckchat@comcast.net; sbrown@stevebrowncompany.comCC:
>>> obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signsDate:
>>> Tue, 18 Dec
>>> 2007 19:00:33 +0000
>>> --Forwarded Message Attachment--From: gschreckchat@comcast.netTo:
>>> sbrown@stevebrowncompany.comCC: obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re:
>>> [OBRA Chat]
>>> Update / road signsDate: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:36:23 +0000
>>> Agreed. We need a fund. I would appoint you, since you have
>>> superior
>>> orgnaizational skills, and I have none whatsoever. However, this
>>> probably is a
>>> project for Kenji.
>>>
>>> --George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Steve Brown
>>> Do not really disagree that much.
>>> Was really
>>> suggesting establishing a capital funds project to cover items like
>>> this. Just
>>> need someone to take charge.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:38 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
>>>
>>> If donations provided the necessary funds, I would not have a
>>> problem, but in
>>> this case, it seems that we only have $5,000 of the necessary
>>> $30,000. Since we
>>> must have the signs, it seems to be a poor way to raise funds for
>>> somehting that
>>> is necessary. I think donations for OBRA items is a good idea as
>>> well, but only
>>> if we have the option to not pursue the project or reduce its scope
>>> if the
>>> donations are not sufficient. In this case, we do not have that
>>> option. My
>>> objection is not based on philosopy, it is based on functionality.
>>>
>>> I do appreciate the anology. I wish I had some of Tim's ability
>>> though.
>>>
>>> --George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Steve Brown
>>> I know it can be dangerous to
>>> getting involved
>>> with a contradiction to George, kind of like trying to hold Tim
>>> Luther on your
>>> hip high into turn one at Alpenrose on the bell lap of a matched
>>> sprint, but I
>>> think the one time request for capital funding is not a bad idea.
>>> Every couple a years we need a few new things. That is the time to
>>> ask. If there
>>> is a serious need for capital funding, suggest someone establish a
>>> committee,
>>> develop a plan and see how it works. Beyond that, a simple request
>>> for money to
>>> buy some new stuff is simple enough.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Brown
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:39 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Not that I have a problem with a donation, as I was happy to do so,
>>> but it seems
>>> to be a poor way to address these issues. If this is something that
>>> OBRA must
>>> have, we need a funding source that more or less guaranties that
>>> the funds will
>>> be raised. Donations do not guaranty that the necessary funds will
>>> be raised,
>>> and given the mandatory nature of the sign requirements, that is
>>> not acceptable.
>>>
>>> I would think the OBRA rules should permit a special surcharge to
>>> be added to
>>> the dues for a particular year. OBRA dues are fairly low as it is,
>>> and an
>>> additional $15 surcharge seems fairly minor. I realize that some
>>> people may
>>> think that any additional cost is too much, but this is a necessary
>>> cost of
>>> racing and should be borne by the membership generally. A surcharge
>>> would more
>>> or less ensure that the necessay funds are raised. Donations are
>>> fine for items
>>> that are discretionary, but it is not an adequate mechanism for
>>> items that are
>>> necessary to conduct races. Juniors could still be exempted from
>>> the surcharge.
>>>
>>> --George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Ron and
>>> Dorothy Strasser"
>>>
>>> Not knowing all those details, but assuming pretty much what you
>>> and Candi just
>>> stated was why I posted what I did. I am not sure what I would have
>>> purchased
>>> with the donation I made, but I do know I can live without it for
>>> now. I am sure
>>> any amount people donate will just get OBRA closer to being able to
>>> continue
>>> providing quality support for races.
>>> ron
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: john
>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It has sounded to me like it has finally come to the point where
>>> new road signs
>>> are a must. The old ones are heavy, cumbersome, possibly dangerous,
>>> But mainly
>>> simply no longer qualified, no longer approved... after a decade or
>>> so of being
>>> accomodating it sounds like counties and state are starting to say
>>> no. Also if a
>>> vehicle did hit a sign and someone got hurt: the ensuing liability
>>> of having
>>> used a non-qualified sign.
>>> It is not going to be easy to pick out the new sign/stand that best
>>> fit obra's
>>> requirements... i.e. easy to handle, fast setup and takedown, all
>>> fit in the
>>> truck, hard to steal, really durable (or easy to fix), stay put in
>>> strong wind,
>>> yet light,?, etc, etc.. this is simply not going to be cheap.
>>> (this all my personal opinion.. i did do a litle bit of research
>>> into qualified
>>> signs, etc, result was my donation increased.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----From: David Diviney >> >To: T.
>>> Kenji Sugahara ; OBRA list list
>>> Sent:
>>> Monday, December 17, 2007 3:29:05 PMSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat]
>>> UpdateNot sure if
>>> this is the correct forum for this question but, since Ron is
>>> begging (albeit
>>> jokingly).....is OBRA in under-funded? I realize more money is
>>> better than less
>>> money, but is there any risk of failure due to finances? I don't
>>> want to give up
>>> my expensive components unless OBRA is on the verge of collapse (also
>>> joking).Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:
>>> Just my 2cents.... Why not ride some semi-expensive component just
>>> one more
>>> season instead of replacing it...and contribute that $$$ to obra?
>>> Do it for the
>>> children, pets, and general safety of all involved. Just give
>>> please!ronnie-----
>>> Original Message ----- From: "Yann Blindert" To: "T. Kenji
>>> Sugahara" ; "OBRA
>>> list list" Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:55 AMSubject: Re:
>>> [OBRA Chat]
>>> Update> How many members are you expecting to renew or in> other
>>> words are we
>>> tracking to make the $30,000 goal?> It seems the average
>>> contribution is just
>>> over $14.50.>>> Yann>> --- "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:>>> Hey
>>> Folks,>>>> Quick
>>> update for y'all. First off - congrats to our>> OBRA members who>>
>>> performed
>>> quite well at CCX Natz. We're a ll pr o ud>> of you.>>>> Second,
>>> 372 of you have
>>> renewed thus far with>> donations of about>> $5,400. We're slowly
>>> making our way
>>> to our goal of>> $30K. Thank you>> ALL for donating. Please renew
>>> today! (Makes
>>> it>> easier for Candi and>> I to get things ready for you on
>>> time)>>>> Third,
>>> the list of folks who will receive BAR awards>> at our annual>>
>>> meeting on
>>> January 12th will be announced shortly.>>>> Fourth, I am looking
>>> for women
>>> volunteers in>> Portland, Salem, Eugene,>> Southern Oregon and Bend
>>> to serve as
>>> volunteer>> women's coordinators.>> These individuals would serve as
>>> information>> resources for women>> interested in bike racing.
>>> (Would likely
>>> involve>> answering simple>> questions- e.g. are there any clinics
>>> in the area>>
>>> etc.) We a re > ;> looking for Cat 3's and above with at least
>>> 3 years>> of
>>> racing>> experience.>>>> Finally, would anyone be interested in
>>> creating a>>
>>> video for the annual>> meeting? Contact me off list.>>>> Thanks so
>>> much!>>>> T.
>>> Kenji Sugahara>> Assistant Director>> Oregon Bicycle Racing
>>> Association>>
>>> 503-302-4935>>>>>>>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________>> OBRA
>>> mailing list>> obra@list.obra.org>>
>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>> >>
>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org>>>>> Yann Blindert>
>>> 646-662-7508>
>>> nevens42@yahoo.com>>> >
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>>> From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
>>> Date: December 18, 2007 8:14:45 AM PST
>>> To: "john" ,
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> From: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team
>> Date: December 18, 2007 12:09:02 PM PST
>> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>>
>>
>> Are these signs used by mountain bike too. If not, I don't see why
>> the mountain bike only people should pay extra. I would pay because
>> I do both.
>>
>> Cliff McCann
>> Team Pistis
>> 541-659-4104
>>
>>
>> From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
>> To: tioflaco@comcast.net; sbrown@stevebrowncompany.com
>> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:01:57 +0000
>> CC: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>>
>> If there is a membership surcharge, it would have to be an add on to
>> the dues and would have to be part of that process. It would not
>> work as a separate process, as it would become voluntary.
>>
>> --
>>
>> George Schreck
>> gschreckchat@comcast.net
>> (503) 502-0425
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: tioflaco@comcast.net (Gordon Cumming)
>>
>> > George,
>> > Your idea of a committe or surcharge are great, you should follow
>> through on
>> > your great idea and volunteer your services to raise the needed
>> funds. Don't
>> > know how busy Kenji is, but he can not do it all.
>> > Gordie
>> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> > From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
>> > > Agreed. We need a fund. I would appoint you, since you have
>> superior
>> > > orgnaizational skills, and I have none whatsoever. However, this
>> probably is
>> > a
>> > > project for Kenji.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > George Schreck
>> > > gschreckchat@comcast.net
>> > > (503) 502-0425
>> > >
>> > > -------------- Original message --------------
>> &g t; > From: Steve Brown
>> > > Do not really disagree that much. Was really suggesting
>> establishing a capital
>> > > funds project to cover items like this. Just need someone to
>> take charge.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:38 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > If donations provided the necessary funds, I would not have a
>> problem, but in
>> > > this case, it seems that we only have $5,000 of the necessary
>> $30,000. Since
>> > we
>> > > must have the signs, it seems to be a poor way to raise funds
>> for somehting
>> > that
>> > > is necessary. I think donations for OBRA items is a good idea as
>> well, but
>> > only
>> > > if we have the option to not pursue the project or reduce its
>> scope if the
>> > > donations are not sufficient. In this case, we do not have that
>> option. My
>> > > object ion is not based on philosopy, it is based on
>> functionality.
>> > >
>> > > I do appreciate the anology. I wish I had some of Tim's ability
>> though.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > George Schreck
>> > > gschreckchat@comcast.net
>> > > (503) 502-0425
>> > >
>> > > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > > From: Steve Brown
>> > > I know it can be dangerous to getting involved with a
>> contradiction to George,
>> > > kind of like trying to hold Tim Luther on your hip high into
>> turn one at
>> > > Alpenrose on the bell lap of a matched sprint, but I think the
>> one time
>> > request
>> > > for capital funding is not a bad idea.
>> > > Every couple a years we need a few new things. That is the time
>> to ask. If
>> > there
>> > > is a serious need for capital funding, suggest someone establish
>> a committee,
>> > > deve lop a plan and see how it works. Beyond that, a simple
>> request for money
>> > to
>> > > buy some new stuff is simple enough.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Steve Brown
>> > > On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:39 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Not that I have a problem with a donation, as I was happy to do
>> so, but it
>> > seems
>> > > to be a poor way to address these issues. If this is something
>> that OBRA must
>> > > have, we need a funding source that more or less guaranties that
>> the funds
>> > will
>> > > be raised. Donations do not guaranty that the necessary funds
>> will be raised,
>> > > and given the mandatory nature of the sign requirements, that is
>> not
>> > acceptable.
>> > >
>> > > I would think the OBRA rules should permit a special surcharge
>> to be added to
>> > > the dues for a particular year. OBRA dues are fairly low as it
>> is, and an
>> > > additional $15 surcharge seems fairly minor. I realize that some
>> people may
>> > > think that any additional cost is too much, but this is a
>> necessary cost of
>> > > racing and should be borne by the membership generally. A
>> surcharge would more
>> > > or less ensure that the necessay funds are raised. Donations are
>> fine for
>> > items
>> > > that are discretionary, but it is not an adequate mechanism for
>> items that are
>> > > necessary to conduct races. Juniors could still be exempted from
>> the
>> > surcharge.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > George Schreck
>> > > gschreckchat@comcast.net
>> > > (503) 502-0425
>> > >
>> > > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > > From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
>> > >
>> > > Not knowing all those details, but assuming pretty much what you
>> and Candi
>> > just
>> > ; > stated was why I posted what I did. I am not sure what I would
>> have purchased
>> > > with the donation I made, but I do know I can live without it
>> for now. I am
>> > sure
>> > > any amount people donate will just get OBRA closer to being able
>> to continue
>> > > providing quality support for races.
>> > > ron
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: john
>> > > To: obra@list.obra.org
>> > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:04 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > It has sounded to me like it has finally come to the point where
>> new road
>> > signs
>> > > are a must. The old ones are heavy, cumbersome, possibly
>> dangerous, But mainly
>> > > simply no longer qualified, no longer approved... after a decade
>> or so of
>> > being
>> > > accomodating it sounds like counties and state are starting to
>> say no. Als o if > a
>> > > vehicle did hit a sign and someone got hurt: the ensuing
>> liability of having
>> > > used a non-qualified sign.
>> > > It is not going to be easy to pick out the new sign/stand that
>> best fit obra's
>> > > requirements... i.e. easy to handle, fast setup and takedown,
>> all fit in the
>> > > truck, hard to steal, really durable (or easy to fix), stay put
>> in strong
>> > wind,
>> > > yet light,?, etc, etc.. this is simply not going to be cheap.
>> > > (this all my personal opinion.. i did do a litle bit of research
>> into
>> > qualified
>> > > signs, etc, result was my donation increased.)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message ----
>> > > From: David Diviney
>> > > To: T. Kenji Sugahara ; OBRA list list
>> > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:29:05 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update > ; >
>> > > Not sure if this is the correct forum for this question but,
>> since Ron is
>> > > begging (albeit jokingly).....is OBRA in under-funded? I realize
>> more money is
>> > > better than less money, but is there any risk of failure due to
>> finances? I
>> > > don't want to give up my expensive components unless OBRA is on
>> the verge of
>> > > collapse (also joking).
>> > >
>> > > Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:
>> > > Just my 2cents.... Why not ride some semi-expensive component
>> just one more
>> > > season instead of replacing it...and contribute that $$$ to
>> obra? Do it for
>> > > the children, pets, and general safety of all involved. Just
>> give please!
>> > > ronnie
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Yann Blindert"
>> > > To: "T. Kenji Sugahara" ; "OBRA list list"
>> > >
>> > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:55 AM
>> > ; > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > How many members are you expecting to renew or in
>> > > > other words are we tracking to make the $30,000 goal?
>> > > > It seems the average contribution is just over $14.50.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Yann
>> > > >
>> > > > --- "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Hey Folks,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Quick update for y'all. First off - congrats to our
>> > > >> OBRA members who
>> > > >> performed quite well at CCX Natz. We're a ll pr o ud
>> > > >> of you.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Second, 372 of you have renewed thus far with
>> > > >> donations of about
>> > > >> $5,400. We're slowly making our way to our goal of
>> > > >> $30K. Thank you
>> > > >> ALL for donati ng. Pl ease renew today! (Makes it
>> > > >> easier for Candi and
>> > > >> I to get things ready for you on time)
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Third, the list of folks who will receive BAR awards
>> > > >> at our annual
>> > > >> meeting on January 12th will be announced shortly.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Fourth, I am looking for women volunteers in
>> > > >> Portland, Salem, Eugene,
>> > > >> Southern Oregon and Bend to serve as volunteer
>> > > >> women's coordinators.
>> > > >> These individuals would serve as information
>> > > >> resources for women
>> > > >> interested in bike racing. (Would likely involve
>> > > >> answering simple
>> > > >> questions- e.g. are there any clinics in the area
>> > > >> etc.) We are > ;> looking for Cat 3's and above with at l
>> east 3 years
>> > > >> of racing
>> > > >> experience.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Finally, would anyone be interested in creating a
>> > > >> video for the annual
>> > > >> meeting? Contact me off list.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Thanks so much!
>> > > >>
>> > > >> T. Kenji Sugahara
>> > > >> Assistant Director
>> > > >> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
>> > > >> 503-302-4935
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> _______________________________________________
>> > > >> OBRA mailing list
>> > > >> obra@list.obra.org
>> > > >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> > > >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Ya nn Bli ndert
>> > > > 646-662-7508
>> > > > nevens42@yahoo.com
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>> > ______
>> > > _______
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>> > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
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>> > > > obra@list.obra.org
>> > > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> > > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>> > > >
>> > >
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>> > > obra@list.obra.org
>> > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> > > Unsubscribe: obr a-unsu bscribe@list.obra.org
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
>> > > Date: December 18, 2007 8:14:45 AM PST
>> > > To: "john" ,
>> > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > __________________________________________ _____
>> > > OBRA mailing list
>> > > obra@list.obra.org
>> > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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>> >--Forwarded Message Attachment--
>> From: tioflaco@comcast.net
>> To: gschreckchat@comcast.net; sbrown@stevebrowncompany.com
>> CC: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:00:33 +0000
>>
>> --Forwarded Message Attachment--
>> From: gschreckchat@comcast.net
>> To: sbrown@stevebrowncompany.com
>> CC: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:36:23 +0000
>>
>> Agreed. We need a fund. I would appoint you, since you have
>> superior orgnaizational skills, and I have none whatsoever.
>> However, this probably is a project for Kenji.
>>
>> --
>>
>> George Schreck
>> gschreckchat@comcast.net
>> (503) 502-0425
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: Steve Brown
>> Do not really disagree that much. Was really suggesting establishing
>> a capital funds project to cover items like this. Just need someone
>> to take charge.
>>
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:38 AM,gschreckchat@comcast.netwrote:
>>
>> If donations provided the necessary funds, I would not have a
>> problem, but in this case, it seems that we only have $5,000 of the
>> necessary $30,000. Since we must have the signs, it seems to be a
>> poor way to raise funds for somehting that is necessary. I think
>> donations for OBRA items is a good idea as well, but only if we have
>> the option to not pursue the project or reduce its scope if the
>> donations are not sufficient. In this case, we do not have that
>> option. My objection is not based on philosopy, it is based on
>> functionality.
>>
>> I do appreciate the anology. I wish I had some of Tim's ability
>> though.
>>
>> --
>>
>> George Schreck
>> gschreckchat@comcast.net
>> (503) 502-0425
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: Steve Brown
>> I know it can be dangerous to getting involved with a contradiction
>> to George, kind of like trying to hold Tim Luther on your hip high
>> into turn one at Alpenrose on the bell lap of a matched sprint, but
>> I think the one time request for capital funding is not a bad idea.
>> Every couple a years we need a few new things. That is the time to
>> ask. If there is a serious need for capital funding, suggest someone
>> establish a committee, develop a plan and see how it works. Beyond
>> that, a simple request for money to buy some new stuff is simple
>> enough.
>>
>>
>> Steve Brown
>> On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:39 AM,gschreckchat@comcast.netwrote:
>>
>> Not that I have a problem with a donation, as I was happy to do so,
>> but it seems to be a poor way to address these issues. If this is
>> something that OBRA must have, we need a funding source that more or
>> less guaranties that the funds will be raised. Donations do not
>> guaranty that the necessary funds will be raised, and given the
>> mandatory nature of the sign requirements, that is not acceptable.
>>
>> I would think the OBRA rules should permit a special surcharge to be
>> added to the dues for a particular year. OBRA dues are fairly low as
>> it is, and an additional $15 surcharge seems fairly minor. I realize
>> that some people may think that any additional cost is too much, but
>> this is a necessary cost of racing and should be borne by the
>> membership generally. A surcharge would more or less ensure that the
>> necessay funds are raised. Donations are fine for items that are
>> discretionary, but it is not an adequate mechanism for items that
>> are necessary to conduct races. Juniors could still be exempted from
>> the surcharge.
>>
>> --
>>
>> George Schreck
>> gschreckchat@comcast.net
>> (503) 502-0425
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
>> Not knowing all those details, but assuming pretty much what you and
>> Candi just stated was why I posted what I did. I am not sure what I
>> would have purchased with the donation I made, but I do know I can
>> live without it for now. I am sure any amount people donate will
>> just get OBRA closer to being able to continue providing quality
>> support for races.
>> ron
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:john
>> To:obra@list.obra.org
>> Sent:Monday, December 17, 2007 5:04 PM
>> Subject:Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>>
>>
>> It has sounded to me like it has finally come to the point where new
>> road signs are a must. The old ones are heavy, cumbersome, possibly
>> dangerous, But mainly simply no longer qualified, no longer
>> approved... after a decade or so of being accomodating it sounds
>> like counties and state are starting to say no. Also if a vehicle
>> did hit a sign and someone got hurt: the ensuing liability of having
>> used a non-qualified sign.
>> It is not going to be easy to pick out the new sign/stand that best
>> fit obra's requirements... i.e. easy to handle, fast setup and
>> takedown, all fit in the truck, hard to steal, really durable (or
>> easy to fix), stay put in strong wind, yet light,?, etc, etc.. this
>> is simply not going to be cheap.
>> (this all my personal opinion.. i did do a litle bit of research
>> into qualified signs, etc, result was my donation increased.)
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: David Diviney
>> To: T. Kenji Sugahara ; OBRA list list
>> > >
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:29:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update
>>
>> Not sure if this is the correct forum for this question but, since
>> Ron is begging (albeit jokingly).....is OBRA in under-funded? I
>> realize more money is better than less money, but is there any risk
>> of failure due to finances? I don't want to give up my expensive
>> components unless OBRA is on the verge of collapse (also joking).
>>
>> Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:Just my
>> 2cents.... Why not ride some semi-expensive component just one more
>> season instead of replacing it...and contribute that $$$ to obra? Do
>> it for
>> the children, pets, and general safety of all involved. Just give
>> please!
>> ronnie
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Yann Blindert"
>> To: "T. Kenji Sugahara" ; "OBRA list list"
>>
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update
>>
>>
>> > How many members are you expecting to renew or in
>> > other words are we tracking to make the $30,000 goal?
>> > It seems the average contribution is just over $14.50.
>> >
>> >
>> > Yann
>> >
>> > --- "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hey Folks,
>> >>
>> >> Quick update for y'all. First off - congrats to our
>> >> OBRA members who
>> >> performed quite well at CCX Natz. We're a ll pr o ud
>> >> of you.
>> >>
>> >> Second, 372 of you have renewed thus far with
>> >> donations of about
>> >> $5,400. We're slowly making our way to our goal of
>> >> $30K. Thank you
>> >> ALL for donating. Please renew today! (Makes it
>> >> easier for Candi and
>> >> I to get things ready for you on time)
>> >>
>> >> Third, the list of folks who will receive BAR awards
>> >> at our annual
>> >> meeting on January 12th will be announced shortly.
>> >>
>> >> Fourth, I am looking for women volunteers in
>> >> Portland, Salem, Eugene,
>> >> Southern Oregon and Bend to serve as volunteer
>> >> women's coordinators.
>> >> These individuals would serve as information
>> >> resources for women
>> >> interested in bike racing. (Would likely involve
>> >> answering simple
>> >> questions- e.g. are there any clinics in the area
>> >> etc.) We a re > ;> looking for Cat 3's and above with at
>> least 3 years
>> >> of racing
>> >> experience.
>> >>
>> >> Finally, would anyone be interested in creating a
>> >> video for the annual
>> >> meeting? Contact me off list.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks so much!
>> >>
>> >> T. Kenji Sugahara
>> >> Assistant Director
>> >> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
>> >> 503-302-4935
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> OBRA mailing list
>> >>obra@list.obra.org
>> >>http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> >> Unsubscribe:obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Yann Blindert
>> > 646-662-7508
>> >nevens42@yahoo.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>> ______ _______
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>> From:"Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
>> Date:December 18, 2007 8:14:45 AM PST
>> To:"john" ,
>> Subject:Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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