Luciano bailey

Kenji
If there is a fundraising event that needs to be staffed I'm in, I think this would be a great way to generate revenue outside of the membership process. Cheers Luciano> From: kenji@obra.org> To: tioflaco@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:39:49 -0800> CC: obra@list.obra.org> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs> > Just to fill in a little more, I've talked with Candi about setting a > capital improvement fund. That shouldn't be difficult. At the moment, > we do have a savings account- but I really think it is a matter of > accounting.> > As far as the purpose of the donations- there is more than the road > signs. We have to replace radios (that are also used for CCX and > other events), buy some new computers for registration (we are > currently figuring out a way to network a bunch of computers to link > registration and the finish camera). We also adding barcodes to your > new membership cards to eventually be used to speed your registration > process.> > We're doing this to make sure we all have the best experience > possible! (by making the entire process more accurate and efficient!).> > If you ever have any questions, Candi and I are here to answer em for > you!> > Thanks!> > k-> > ps. Fitting all the OBRA equipment in my Subaru would be an > interesting task. :D> > > > On Dec 18, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Gordon Cumming wrote:> > > Cliff,> > Interesting idea, MTB folks only pay for mtb stuff, roadies only pay > > for road stuff, track people pay for track stuff. Maybe as a > > community we pay for the equipment necessary to keep cycling in > > Oregon thriving and safe. I would pay because I'm part of OBRA.> > Gordie> > -------------- Original message ----------------------> > From: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team > >>> >> Are these signs used by mountain bike too. If not, I don't see why > >> the mountain> >> bike only people should pay extra. I would pay because I do > >> both.Cliff McCann> >> Team Pistis> >> 541-659-4104> >>> >>> >> From: gschreckchat@comcast.netTo: tioflaco@comcast.net;> >> sbrown@stevebrowncompany.comDate: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:01:57 +0000CC:> >> obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs> >> If there is a membership surcharge, it would have to be an add on > >> to the dues> >> and would have to be part of that process. It would not work as a > >> separate> >> process, as it would become voluntary.> >>> >> --George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425> >>> >> -------------- Original message -------------- From: tioflaco@comcast.net> >> (Gordon Cumming) > George, > Your idea of a committe or surcharge > >> are great, you> >> should follow through on > your great idea and volunteer your > >> services to raise> >> the needed funds. Don't > know how busy Kenji is, but he can not do > >> it all. >> >> Gordie > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > >> From:> >> gschreckchat@comcast.net > > Agreed. We need a fund. I would > >> appoint you, since> >> you have superior > > orgnaizational skills, and I have none > >> whatsoever.> >> However, this probably is > a > > project for Kenji. > > > > -- > > > >> > > George> >> Schreck > > gschreckchat@comcast.net > > (503) 502-0425 > > > > > >> --------------> >> Original message -------------- &g t; > From: Steve Brown > > Do > >> not really> >> disagree that much. Was really suggesting establishing a capital > > >> > funds> >> project to cover items like this. Just need someone to take charge. > >> > > > > > >> >>>>>> On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:38 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote: > > >>>>>> > > > > >> >> If donations provided the necessary funds, I would not have a > >> problem, but in >> >>> this case, it seems that we only have $5,000 of the necessary > >>> $30,000. Since >> >> we > > must have the signs, it seems to be a poor way to raise > >> funds for> >> somehting > that > > is necessary. I think donations for OBRA items > >> is a good> >> idea as well, but > only > > if we have the option to not pursue > >> the project or> >> reduce its scope if the > > donations are not sufficient. In this > >> case, we do> >> not have that option. My > > object ion is not based on philosopy, > >> it is based> >> on functionality. > > > > I do appreciate the anology. I wish I had > >> some of> >> Tim's ability though. > > > > -- > > > > George Schreck > >> >> gschreckchat@comcast.net > > (503) 502-0425 > > > > -------------- > >> Original> >> message -------------- > > From: Steve Brown > > I know it can be > >> dangerous to> >> getting involved with a contradiction to George, > > kind of like > >> trying to hold> >> Tim Luther on your hip high into turn one at > > Alpenrose on the > >> bell lap of a> >> matched sprint, but I think the one time > request > > for capital > >> funding is> >> not a bad idea. > > Every couple a years we need a few new things. > >> That is the> >> time to ask. If > there > > is a serious need for capital funding, > >> suggest> >> someone establish a committee, > > deve lop a plan and see how it > >> works. Beyond> >> that, a simple request for money > to > > buy some new stuff is > >> simple enough. >> >>>>>>>>>>> Steve Brown > > On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:39 AM,> >> gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > > Not that I have a > >> problem with a> >> donation, as I was happy to do so, but it > seems > > to be a poor > >> way to> >> address these issues. If this is something that OBRA must > > have, > >> we need a> >> funding source that more or less guaranties that the funds > will > > >> > be raised.> >> Donations do not guaranty that the necessary funds will be raised, > >> > > and given> >> the mandatory nature of the sign requirements, that is not > > >> acceptable. > > > >> >> I would think the OBRA rules should permit a special surcharge to > >> be added to >> >>> the dues for a particular year. OBRA dues are fairly low as it is, > >>> and an > >> >> additional $15 surcharge seems fairly minor. I realize that some > >> people may > >> >> think that any additional cost is too much, but this is a necessary > >> cost of > >> >> racing and should be borne by the membership generally. A surcharge > >> would more >> >>> or less ensure that the necessay funds are raised. Donations are > >>> fine for >> >> items > > that are discretionary, but it is not an adequate > >> mechanism for items> >> that are > > necessary to conduct races. Juniors could still be > >> exempted from> >> the > surcharge. > > > > -- > > > > George Schreck > > gschreckchat@comcast.net> >>>> (503) 502-0425 > > > > -------------- Original message > >>>> -------------- > >> >> From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser" > > > > Not knowing all those > >> details, but> >> assuming pretty much what you and Candi > just > ; > stated was why > >> I posted> >> what I did. I am not sure what I would have purchased > > with the > >> donation I> >> made, but I do know I can live without it for now. I am > sure > > > >> any amount> >> people donate will just get OBRA closer to being able to continue > > >> > providing> >> quality support for races. > > ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > From:> >> john > > To: obra@list.obra.org > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 > >> 5:04 PM > >> >> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs > > > > > > > > It has > >> sounded to> >> me like it has finally come to the point where new road > signs > > > >> are a must.> >> The old ones are heavy, cumbersome, possibly dangerous, But mainly > >> > > simply no> >> longer qualified, no longer approved... after a decade or so of > > >> being > >> >> accomodating it sounds like counties and state are starting to say > >> no. Als o if> >> < BR>> a > > vehicle did hit a sign and someone got hurt: the > >> ensuing liability> >> of having > > used a non-qualified sign. > > It is not going to be > >> easy to pick> >> out the new sign/stand that best fit obra's > > requirements... > >> i.e. easy to> >> handle, fast setup and takedown, all fit in the > > truck, hard to > >> steal, really> >> durable (or easy to fix), stay put in strong > wind, > > yet > >> light,?, etc, etc..> >> this is simply not going to be cheap. > > (this all my personal > >> opinion.. i did> >> do a litle bit of research into > qualified > > signs, etc, result > >> was my> >> donation increased.) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > >> From: David> >> Diviney > > To: T. Kenji Sugahara ; OBRA list list > > Sent: > >> Monday, December> >> 17, 2007 3:29:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update < BR>> ; > > >> > > Not sure> >> if this is the correct forum for this question but, since Ron is > > >> > begging> >> (albeit jokingly).....is OBRA in under-funded? I realize more money > >> is > >> >> better than less money, but is there any risk of failure due to > >> finances? I > >> >> don't want to give up my expensive components unless OBRA is on the > >> verge of > >> >> collapse (also joking). > > > > Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote: > > > >> Just my> >> 2cents.... Why not ride some semi-expensive component just one more > >> > > season> >> instead of replacing it...and contribute that $$$ to obra? Do it > >> for > > the> >> children, pets, and general safety of all involved. Just give > >> please! > > ronnie> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Yann Blindert" > > To: > >>>> "T. Kenji> >> Sugahara" ; "OBRA list list" > > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, > >> 2007 11:55 AM >> >> ; > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update > > > > > > > How many members > >> are you> >> expecting to renew or in > > > other words are we tracking to make > >> the $30,000> >> goal? > > > It seems the average contribution is just over $14.50. > >> > > > > > > >> >>>> Yann > > > > > > --- "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote: > > > > > >> Hey > >>>> Folks, > >> >>>>>>>> Quick update for y'all. First off - congrats to our > > >> OBRA> >> members who > > >> performed quite well at CCX Natz. We're a ll pr > >> o ud > > >>> >> of you. > > >> > > >> Second, 372 of you have renewed thus far with > >> > > >>> >> donations of about > > >> $5,400. We're slowly making our way to > >> our goal of > >> >>>> $30K. Thank you > > >> ALL for donati ng. Pl ease renew today! > >>>> (Makes it > >> >>>> easier for Candi and > > >> I to get things ready for you on > >>>> time) > > >> > >> >>>> Third, the list of folks who will receive BAR awards > > >> at > >>>> our annual > >> >>>> meeting on January 12th will be announced shortly. > > >> > > >> > >>>> Fourth, I am> >> looking for women volunteers in > > >> Portland, Salem, Eugene, > > > >> >> Southern> >> Oregon and Bend to serve as volunteer > > >> women's coordinators. > >> > > >> These> >> individuals would serve as information > > >> resources for women > > >> > >>> >> interested in bike racing. (Would likely involve > > >> answering > >> simple > > >>> >> questions- e.g. are there any clinics in the area > > >> etc.) We > >> are< BR>> ;>> >> looking for Cat 3's and above with at l east 3 years > > >> of > >> racing > > >>> >> experience. > > >> > > >> Finally, would anyone be interested in > >> creating a > >> >>>> video for the annual > > >> meeting? Contact me off list. > > >> > >>>> > > >>> >> Thanks so much! > > >> > > >> T. Kenji Sugahara > > >> Assistant > >> Director > > >>> >> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association > > >> 503-302-4935 > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >> OBRA > >>>>>>>> mailing> >> list > > >> obra@list.obra.org > > >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> >>>>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Ya> >> nn Bli ndert > > > 646-662-7508 > > > nevens42@yahoo.com > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> _______________________________________________________________________ > >> > ______> >>>> _______ > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > know-it- > >>>> all with> >> Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > >> >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > > > OBRA mailing > >> list > > >> >> obra@list.obra.org > > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > >> > > >> >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > > > > > >> >> _______________________________________________ > > OBRA mailing > >> list > >> >> obra@list.obra.org > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > >> >> Unsubscribe: obr a-unsu bscribe@list.obra.org > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > >> Search. > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ > > OBRA mailing > >> list > >> >> obra@list.obra.org > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > >> >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > > > > > > > From: > >> "Ron and> >> Dorothy Strasser" > > Date: December 18, 2007 8:14:45 AM PST > > > >> To: "john" , >> >>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs > > > > > > > > > >> >> __________________________________________ _____ > > OBRA mailing > >> list > >> >> obra@list.obra.org > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > >> >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > > > > > > > > >> >> _______________________________________________ > > OBRA mailing > >> list > >> >> obra@list.obra.org > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > > >> Unsubscribe:> >> obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org >> >> --Forwarded Message Attachment--From: tioflaco@comcast.netTo:> >> gschreckchat@comcast.net; sbrown@stevebrowncompany.comCC:> >> obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signsDate: > >> Tue, 18 Dec> >> 2007 19:00:33 +0000> >> --Forwarded Message Attachment--From: gschreckchat@comcast.netTo:> >> sbrown@stevebrowncompany.comCC: obra@list.obra.orgSubject: Re: > >> [OBRA Chat]> >> Update / road signsDate: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:36:23 +0000> >> Agreed. We need a fund. I would appoint you, since you have > >> superior> >> orgnaizational skills, and I have none whatsoever. However, this > >> probably is a> >> project for Kenji.> >>> >> --George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425> >>> >> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Steve Brown> >> Do not really disagree that much. > >> Was really> >> suggesting establishing a capital funds project to cover items like > >> this. Just> >> need someone to take charge.> >>> >>> >>> >> On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:38 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:> >>> >> If donations provided the necessary funds, I would not have a > >> problem, but in> >> this case, it seems that we only have $5,000 of the necessary > >> $30,000. Since we> >> must have the signs, it seems to be a poor way to raise funds for > >> somehting that> >> is necessary. I think donations for OBRA items is a good idea as > >> well, but only> >> if we have the option to not pursue the project or reduce its scope > >> if the> >> donations are not sufficient. In this case, we do not have that > >> option. My> >> objection is not based on philosopy, it is based on functionality.> >>> >> I do appreciate the anology. I wish I had some of Tim's ability > >> though.> >>> >> --George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425> >>> >> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Steve Brown> >> I know it can be dangerous to > >> getting involved> >> with a contradiction to George, kind of like trying to hold Tim > >> Luther on your> >> hip high into turn one at Alpenrose on the bell lap of a matched > >> sprint, but I> >> think the one time request for capital funding is not a bad idea.> >> Every couple a years we need a few new things. That is the time to > >> ask. If there> >> is a serious need for capital funding, suggest someone establish a > >> committee,> >> develop a plan and see how it works. Beyond that, a simple request > >> for money to> >> buy some new stuff is simple enough.> >>> >>> >> Steve Brown> >>> >>> >>> >> On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:39 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:> >>> >> Not that I have a problem with a donation, as I was happy to do so, > >> but it seems> >> to be a poor way to address these issues. If this is something that > >> OBRA must> >> have, we need a funding source that more or less guaranties that > >> the funds will> >> be raised. Donations do not guaranty that the necessary funds will > >> be raised,> >> and given the mandatory nature of the sign requirements, that is > >> not acceptable.> >>> >> I would think the OBRA rules should permit a special surcharge to > >> be added to> >> the dues for a particular year. OBRA dues are fairly low as it is, > >> and an> >> additional $15 surcharge seems fairly minor. I realize that some > >> people may> >> think that any additional cost is too much, but this is a necessary > >> cost of> >> racing and should be borne by the membership generally. A surcharge > >> would more> >> or less ensure that the necessay funds are raised. Donations are > >> fine for items> >> that are discretionary, but it is not an adequate mechanism for > >> items that are> >> necessary to conduct races. Juniors could still be exempted from > >> the surcharge.> >>> >> --George Schreck gschreckchat@comcast.net (503) 502-0425> >>> >> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Ron and > >> Dorothy Strasser"> >> > >> Not knowing all those details, but assuming pretty much what you > >> and Candi just> >> stated was why I posted what I did. I am not sure what I would have > >> purchased> >> with the donation I made, but I do know I can live without it for > >> now. I am sure> >> any amount people donate will just get OBRA closer to being able to > >> continue> >> providing quality support for races.> >> ron> >>> >> ----- Original Message -----> >> From: john> >> To: obra@list.obra.org> >> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:04 PM> >> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs> >>> >>> >>> >> It has sounded to me like it has finally come to the point where > >> new road signs> >> are a must. The old ones are heavy, cumbersome, possibly dangerous, > >> But mainly> >> simply no longer qualified, no longer approved... after a decade or > >> so of being> >> accomodating it sounds like counties and state are starting to say > >> no. Also if a> >> vehicle did hit a sign and someone got hurt: the ensuing liability > >> of having> >> used a non-qualified sign.> >> It is not going to be easy to pick out the new sign/stand that best > >> fit obra's> >> requirements... i.e. easy to handle, fast setup and takedown, all > >> fit in the> >> truck, hard to steal, really durable (or easy to fix), stay put in > >> strong wind,> >> yet light,?, etc, etc.. this is simply not going to be cheap.> >> (this all my personal opinion.. i did do a litle bit of research > >> into qualified> >> signs, etc, result was my donation increased.)> >>> >>> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----From: David Diviney >> >To: T.> >> Kenji Sugahara ; OBRA list list > >> Sent:> >> Monday, December 17, 2007 3:29:05 PMSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] > >> UpdateNot sure if> >> this is the correct forum for this question but, since Ron is > >> begging (albeit> >> jokingly).....is OBRA in under-funded? I realize more money is > >> better than less> >> money, but is there any risk of failure due to finances? I don't > >> want to give up> >> my expensive components unless OBRA is on the verge of collapse (also> >> joking).Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:> >> Just my 2cents.... Why not ride some semi-expensive component just > >> one more> >> season instead of replacing it...and contribute that $$$ to obra? > >> Do it for the> >> children, pets, and general safety of all involved. Just give > >> please!ronnie-----> >> Original Message ----- From: "Yann Blindert" To: "T. Kenji > >> Sugahara" ; "OBRA> >> list list" Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:55 AMSubject: Re: > >> [OBRA Chat]> >> Update> How many members are you expecting to renew or in> other > >> words are we> >> tracking to make the $30,000 goal?> It seems the average > >> contribution is just> >> over $14.50.>>> Yann>> --- "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:>>> Hey > >> Folks,>>>> Quick> >> update for y'all. First off - congrats to our>> OBRA members who>> > >> performed> >> quite well at CCX Natz. We're a ll pr o ud>> of you.>>>> Second, > >> 372 of you have> >> renewed thus far with>> donations of about>> $5,400. We're slowly > >> making our way> >> to our goal of>> $30K. Thank you>> ALL for donating. Please renew > >> today! (Makes> >> it>> easier for Candi and>> I to get things ready for you on > >> time)>>>> Third,> >> the list of folks who will receive BAR awards>> at our annual>> > >> meeting on> >> January 12th will be announced shortly.>>>> Fourth, I am looking > >> for women> >> volunteers in>> Portland, Salem, Eugene,>> Southern Oregon and Bend > >> to serve as> >> volunteer>> women's coordinators.>> These individuals would serve as> >> information>> resources for women>> interested in bike racing. > >> (Would likely> >> involve>> answering simple>> questions- e.g. are there any clinics > >> in the area>>> >> etc.) We a re< BR>> ;> looking for Cat 3's and above with at least > >> 3 years>> of> >> racing>> experience.>>>> Finally, would anyone be interested in > >> creating a>>> >> video for the annual>> meeting? Contact me off list.>>>> Thanks so > >> much!>>>> T.> >> Kenji Sugahara>> Assistant Director>> Oregon Bicycle Racing > >> Association>>> >> 503-302-4935>>>>>>>>>> > >> _______________________________________________>> OBRA> >> mailing list>> obra@list.obra.org>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > >> >>> >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org>>>>> Yann Blindert> > >> 646-662-7508>> >> nevens42@yahoo.com>>> >> >> _______________________________________________________________________ > >> ______> >> _______> Be a better friend, newshound, and> know-it-all with > >> Yahoo! Mobile. Try> >> it now. > http:// > >> mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ>>> >> _______________________________________________> OBRA mailing list>> >> obra@list.obra.org> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > >> Unsubscribe:> >> obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org>> >> _______________________________________________OBRA mailing> >> listobra@list.obra.orghttp://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obraUnsubscribe > >> :> >> obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> >>> >>> >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > >> Search.> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________OBRA mailing> >> listobra@list.obra.orghttp://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obraUnsubscribe > >> :> >> obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> >>> >> From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser" > >> Date: December 18, 2007 8:14:45 AM PST> >> To: "john" , > >> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> OBRA mailing list> >> obra@list.obra.org> >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> OBRA mailing list> >> obra@list.obra.org> >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> >> _________________________________________________________________> >> i’m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people > >> making a> >> difference.> >> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect> >> >> >> > From: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team > > Date: December 18, 2007 12:09:02 PM PST> > Cc: obra@list.obra.org> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs> >> >> > Are these signs used by mountain bike too. If not, I don't see why > > the mountain bike only people should pay extra. I would pay because > > I do both.> >> > Cliff McCann> > Team Pistis> > 541-659-4104> >> >> > From: gschreckchat@comcast.net> > To: tioflaco@comcast.net; sbrown@stevebrowncompany.com> > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:01:57 +0000> > CC: obra@list.obra.org> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs> >> > If there is a membership surcharge, it would have to be an add on to > > the dues and would have to be part of that process. It would not > > work as a separate process, as it would become voluntary.> >> > --> >> > George Schreck> > gschreckchat@comcast.net> > (503) 502-0425> >> > -------------- Original message --------------> > From: tioflaco@comcast.net (Gordon Cumming)> >> > > George,> > > Your idea of a committe or surcharge are great, you should follow > > through on> > > your great idea and volunteer your services to raise the needed > > funds. Don't> > > know how busy Kenji is, but he can not do it all.> > > Gordie> > > -------------- Original message ----------------------> > > From: gschreckchat@comcast.net> > > > Agreed. We need a fund. I would appoint you, since you have > > superior> > > > orgnaizational skills, and I have none whatsoever. However, this > > probably is> > > a> > > > project for Kenji.> > > >> > > > --> > > >> > > > George Schreck> > > > gschreckchat@comcast.net> > > > (503) 502-0425> > > >> > > > -------------- Original message --------------> > &g t; > From: Steve Brown> > > > Do not really disagree that much. Was really suggesting > > establishing a capital> > > > funds project to cover items like this. Just need someone to > > take charge.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:38 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > If donations provided the necessary funds, I would not have a > > problem, but in> > > > this case, it seems that we only have $5,000 of the necessary > > $30,000. Since> > > we> > > > must have the signs, it seems to be a poor way to raise funds > > for somehting> > > that> > > > is necessary. I think donations for OBRA items is a good idea as > > well, but> > > only> > > > if we have the option to not pursue the project or reduce its > > scope if the> > > > donations are not sufficient. In this case, we do not have that > > option. My> > > > object ion is not based on philosopy, it is based on > > functionality.> > > >> > > > I do appreciate the anology. I wish I had some of Tim's ability > > though.> > > >> > > > --> > > >> > > > George Schreck> > > > gschreckchat@comcast.net> > > > (503) 502-0425> > > >> > > > -------------- Original message --------------> > > > From: Steve Brown> > > > I know it can be dangerous to getting involved with a > > contradiction to George,> > > > kind of like trying to hold Tim Luther on your hip high into > > turn one at> > > > Alpenrose on the bell lap of a matched sprint, but I think the > > one time> > > request> > > > for capital funding is not a bad idea.> > > > Every couple a years we need a few new things. That is the time > > to ask. If> > > there> > > > is a serious need for capital funding, suggest someone establish > > a committee,> > > > deve lop a plan and see how it works. Beyond that, a simple > > request for money> > > to> > > > buy some new stuff is simple enough.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Steve Brown> > > > On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:39 AM, gschreckchat@comcast.net wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Not that I have a problem with a donation, as I was happy to do > > so, but it> > > seems> > > > to be a poor way to address these issues. If this is something > > that OBRA must> > > > have, we need a funding source that more or less guaranties that > > the funds> > > will> > > > be raised. Donations do not guaranty that the necessary funds > > will be raised,> > > > and given the mandatory nature of the sign requirements, that is > > not> > > acceptable.> > > >> > > > I would think the OBRA rules should permit a special surcharge > > to be added to> > > > the dues for a particular year. OBRA dues are fairly low as it > > is, and an> > > > additional $15 surcharge seems fairly minor. I realize that some > > people may> > > > think that any additional cost is too much, but this is a > > necessary cost of> > > > racing and should be borne by the membership generally. A > > surcharge would more> > > > or less ensure that the necessay funds are raised. Donations are > > fine for> > > items> > > > that are discretionary, but it is not an adequate mechanism for > > items that are> > > > necessary to conduct races. Juniors could still be exempted from > > the> > > surcharge.> > > >> > > > --> > > >> > > > George Schreck> > > > gschreckchat@comcast.net> > > > (503) 502-0425> > > >> > > > -------------- Original message --------------> > > > From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"> > > >> > > > Not knowing all those details, but assuming pretty much what you > > and Candi> > > just> > > ; > stated was why I posted what I did. I am not sure what I would > > have purchased> > > > with the donation I made, but I do know I can live without it > > for now. I am> > > sure> > > > any amount people donate will just get OBRA closer to being able > > to continue> > > > providing quality support for races.> > > > ron> > > > ----- Original Message -----> > > > From: john> > > > To: obra@list.obra.org> > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:04 PM> > > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > It has sounded to me like it has finally come to the point where > > new road> > > signs> > > > are a must. The old ones are heavy, cumbersome, possibly > > dangerous, But mainly> > > > simply no longer qualified, no longer approved... after a decade > > or so of> > > being> > > > accomodating it sounds like counties and state are starting to > > say no. Als o if < BR>> a> > > > vehicle did hit a sign and someone got hurt: the ensuing > > liability of having> > > > used a non-qualified sign.> > > > It is not going to be easy to pick out the new sign/stand that > > best fit obra's> > > > requirements... i.e. easy to handle, fast setup and takedown, > > all fit in the> > > > truck, hard to steal, really durable (or easy to fix), stay put > > in strong> > > wind,> > > > yet light,?, etc, etc.. this is simply not going to be cheap.> > > > (this all my personal opinion.. i did do a litle bit of research > > into> > > qualified> > > > signs, etc, result was my donation increased.)> > > >> > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----> > > > From: David Diviney> > > > To: T. Kenji Sugahara ; OBRA list list> > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:29:05 PM> > > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update < BR>> ; >> > > > Not sure if this is the correct forum for this question but, > > since Ron is> > > > begging (albeit jokingly).....is OBRA in under-funded? I realize > > more money is> > > > better than less money, but is there any risk of failure due to > > finances? I> > > > don't want to give up my expensive components unless OBRA is on > > the verge of> > > > collapse (also joking).> > > >> > > > Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:> > > > Just my 2cents.... Why not ride some semi-expensive component > > just one more> > > > season instead of replacing it...and contribute that $$$ to > > obra? Do it for> > > > the children, pets, and general safety of all involved. Just > > give please!> > > > ronnie> > > > ----- Original Message -----> > > > From: "Yann Blindert"> > > > To: "T. Kenji Sugahara" ; "OBRA list list"> > > >> > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:55 AM> > > ; > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update> > > >> > > >> > > > > How many members are you expecting to renew or in> > > > > other words are we tracking to make the $30,000 goal?> > > > > It seems the average contribution is just over $14.50.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Yann> > > > >> > > > > --- "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> Hey Folks,> > > > >>> > > > >> Quick update for y'all. First off - congrats to our> > > > >> OBRA members who> > > > >> performed quite well at CCX Natz. We're a ll pr o ud> > > > >> of you.> > > > >>> > > > >> Second, 372 of you have renewed thus far with> > > > >> donations of about> > > > >> $5,400. We're slowly making our way to our goal of> > > > >> $30K. Thank you> > > > >> ALL for donati ng. Pl ease renew today! (Makes it> > > > >> easier for Candi and> > > > >> I to get things ready for you on time)> > > > >>> > > > >> Third, the list of folks who will receive BAR awards> > > > >> at our annual> > > > >> meeting on January 12th will be announced shortly.> > > > >>> > > > >> Fourth, I am looking for women volunteers in> > > > >> Portland, Salem, Eugene,> > > > >> Southern Oregon and Bend to serve as volunteer> > > > >> women's coordinators.> > > > >> These individuals would serve as information> > > > >> resources for women> > > > >> interested in bike racing. (Would likely involve> > > > >> answering simple> > > > >> questions- e.g. are there any clinics in the area> > > > >> etc.) We are< BR>> ;> looking for Cat 3's and above with at l > > east 3 years> > > > >> of racing> > > > >> experience.> > > > >>> > > > >> Finally, would anyone be interested in creating a> > > > >> video for the annual> > > > >> meeting? Contact me off list.> > > > >>> > > > >> Thanks so much!> > > > >>> > > > >> T. Kenji Sugahara> > > > >> Assistant Director> > > > >> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association> > > > >> 503-302-4935> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> _______________________________________________> > > > >> OBRA mailing list> > > > >> obra@list.obra.org> > > > >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > > > >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Ya nn Bli ndert> > > > > 646-662-7508> > > > > nevens42@yahoo.com> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________> > > ______> > > > _______> > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and> > > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ> > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________> > > > > OBRA mailing list> > > > > obra@list.obra.org> > > > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > > > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> > > > >> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________> > > > OBRA mailing list> > > > obra@list.obra.org> > > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > > > Unsubscribe: obr a-unsu bscribe@list.obra.org> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > > Yahoo! Search.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________> > > > OBRA mailing list> > > > obra@list.obra.org> > > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"> > > > Date: December 18, 2007 8:14:45 AM PST> > > > To: "john" ,> > > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > __________________________________________ _____> > > > OBRA mailing list> > > > obra@list.obra.org> > > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________> > > > OBRA mailing list> > > > obra@list.obra.org> > > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> > >--Forwarded Message Attachment--> > From: tioflaco@comcast.net> > To: gschreckchat@comcast.net; sbrown@stevebrowncompany.com> > CC: obra@list.obra.org> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs> > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:00:33 +0000> >> > --Forwarded Message Attachment--> > From: gschreckchat@comcast.net> > To: sbrown@stevebrowncompany.com> > CC: obra@list.obra.org> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs> > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:36:23 +0000> >> > Agreed. We need a fund. I would appoint you, since you have > > superior orgnaizational skills, and I have none whatsoever. > > However, this probably is a project for Kenji.> >> > --> >> > George Schreck> > gschreckchat@comcast.net> > (503) 502-0425> >> > -------------- Original message --------------> > From: Steve Brown > > Do not really disagree that much. Was really suggesting establishing > > a capital funds project to cover items like this. Just need someone > > to take charge.> >> >> > On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:38 AM,gschreckchat@comcast.netwrote:> >> > If donations provided the necessary funds, I would not have a > > problem, but in this case, it seems that we only have $5,000 of the > > necessary $30,000. Since we must have the signs, it seems to be a > > poor way to raise funds for somehting that is necessary. I think > > donations for OBRA items is a good idea as well, but only if we have > > the option to not pursue the project or reduce its scope if the > > donations are not sufficient. In this case, we do not have that > > option. My objection is not based on philosopy, it is based on > > functionality.> >> > I do appreciate the anology. I wish I had some of Tim's ability > > though.> >> > --> >> > George Schreck> > gschreckchat@comcast.net> > (503) 502-0425> >> > -------------- Original message --------------> > From: Steve Brown > > I know it can be dangerous to getting involved with a contradiction > > to George, kind of like trying to hold Tim Luther on your hip high > > into turn one at Alpenrose on the bell lap of a matched sprint, but > > I think the one time request for capital funding is not a bad idea.> > Every couple a years we need a few new things. That is the time to > > ask. If there is a serious need for capital funding, suggest someone > > establish a committee, develop a plan and see how it works. Beyond > > that, a simple request for money to buy some new stuff is simple > > enough.> >> >> > Steve Brown> > On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:39 AM,gschreckchat@comcast.netwrote:> >> > Not that I have a problem with a donation, as I was happy to do so, > > but it seems to be a poor way to address these issues. If this is > > something that OBRA must have, we need a funding source that more or > > less guaranties that the funds will be raised. Donations do not > > guaranty that the necessary funds will be raised, and given the > > mandatory nature of the sign requirements, that is not acceptable.> >> > I would think the OBRA rules should permit a special surcharge to be > > added to the dues for a particular year. OBRA dues are fairly low as > > it is, and an additional $15 surcharge seems fairly minor. I realize > > that some people may think that any additional cost is too much, but > > this is a necessary cost of racing and should be borne by the > > membership generally. A surcharge would more or less ensure that the > > necessay funds are raised. Donations are fine for items that are > > discretionary, but it is not an adequate mechanism for items that > > are necessary to conduct races. Juniors could still be exempted from > > the surcharge.> >> > --> >> > George Schreck> > gschreckchat@comcast.net> > (503) 502-0425> >> > -------------- Original message --------------> > From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser" > > Not knowing all those details, but assuming pretty much what you and > > Candi just stated was why I posted what I did. I am not sure what I > > would have purchased with the donation I made, but I do know I can > > live without it for now. I am sure any amount people donate will > > just get OBRA closer to being able to continue providing quality > > support for races.> > ron> > ----- Original Message -----> > From:john> > To:obra@list.obra.org> > Sent:Monday, December 17, 2007 5:04 PM> > Subject:Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs> >> >> > It has sounded to me like it has finally come to the point where new > > road signs are a must. The old ones are heavy, cumbersome, possibly > > dangerous, But mainly simply no longer qualified, no longer > > approved... after a decade or so of being accomodating it sounds > > like counties and state are starting to say no. Also if a vehicle > > did hit a sign and someone got hurt: the ensuing liability of having > > used a non-qualified sign.> > It is not going to be easy to pick out the new sign/stand that best > > fit obra's requirements... i.e. easy to handle, fast setup and > > takedown, all fit in the truck, hard to steal, really durable (or > > easy to fix), stay put in strong wind, yet light,?, etc, etc.. this > > is simply not going to be cheap.> > (this all my personal opinion.. i did do a litle bit of research > > into qualified signs, etc, result was my donation increased.)> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----> > From: David Diviney > > To: T. Kenji Sugahara ; OBRA list list > >> > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:29:05 PM> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update> >> > Not sure if this is the correct forum for this question but, since > > Ron is begging (albeit jokingly).....is OBRA in under-funded? I > > realize more money is better than less money, but is there any risk > > of failure due to finances? I don't want to give up my expensive > > components unless OBRA is on the verge of collapse (also joking).> >> > Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:Just my > > 2cents.... Why not ride some semi-expensive component just one more> > season instead of replacing it...and contribute that $$$ to obra? Do > > it for> > the children, pets, and general safety of all involved. Just give > > please!> > ronnie> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Yann Blindert"> > To: "T. Kenji Sugahara" ; "OBRA list list"> >> > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:55 AM> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Update> >> >> > > How many members are you expecting to renew or in> > > other words are we tracking to make the $30,000 goal?> > > It seems the average contribution is just over $14.50.> > >> > >> > > Yann> > >> > > --- "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:> > >> > >> Hey Folks,> > >>> > >> Quick update for y'all. First off - congrats to our> > >> OBRA members who> > >> performed quite well at CCX Natz. We're a ll pr o ud> > >> of you.> > >>> > >> Second, 372 of you have renewed thus far with> > >> donations of about> > >> $5,400. We're slowly making our way to our goal of> > >> $30K. Thank you> > >> ALL for donating. Please renew today! (Makes it> > >> easier for Candi and> > >> I to get things ready for you on time)> > >>> > >> Third, the list of folks who will receive BAR awards> > >> at our annual> > >> meeting on January 12th will be announced shortly.> > >>> > >> Fourth, I am looking for women volunteers in> > >> Portland, Salem, Eugene,> > >> Southern Oregon and Bend to serve as volunteer> > >> women's coordinators.> > >> These individuals would serve as information> > >> resources for women> > >> interested in bike racing. (Would likely involve> > >> answering simple> > >> questions- e.g. are there any clinics in the area> > >> etc.) We a re< BR>> ;> looking for Cat 3's and above with at > > least 3 years> > >> of racing> > >> experience.> > >>> > >> Finally, would anyone be interested in creating a> > >> video for the annual> > >> meeting? Contact me off list.> > >>> > >> Thanks so much!> > >>> > >> T. Kenji Sugahara> > >> Assistant Director> > >> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association> > >> 503-302-4935> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________> > >> OBRA mailing list> > >>obra@list.obra.org> > >>http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > >> Unsubscribe:obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> > >>> > >> > >> > > Yann Blindert> > > 646-662-7508> > >nevens42@yahoo.com> > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > ______ _______> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and> > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> > >http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ> > >> > > _______________________________________________> > > OBRA mailing list> > >obra@list.obra.org> > >http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > > Unsubscribe:obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> > >> >> > _______________________________________________> > OBRA mailing list> > obra@list.obra.org> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > Unsubscribe:obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> >> >> > Looking for last minute shopping deals?Find them fast with Yahoo! > > Search.> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > OBRA mailing list> > obra@list.obra.org> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> >> > From:"Ron and Dorothy Strasser" > > Date:December 18, 2007 8:14:45 AM PST> > To:"john" , > > Subject:Re: [OBRA Chat] Update / road signs> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > OBRA mailing list> > obra@list.obra.org> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > Unsubscribe:obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > OBRA mailing list> > obra@list.obra.org> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > Unsubscribe:obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> >> >> >> > i’m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people > > making a difference.Learn > > more_______________________________________________> > OBRA mailing list> > obra@list.obra.org> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > OBRA mailing list> > obra@list.obra.org> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> > T. 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