Rick Johnson
2008-02-26
Please speak for yourself only. I'm in favor of letting the individual
decide how valuable their brains are. If someone doesn't think their
gray matter is worth protecting I say let nature take it's course.
Rick
C M wrote:
I think it's safe to say that most, if not all, of us in
OBRA land are strongly in favor of wearing helemts and requiring others
to do the same. The question is how do we get the word out to the
policy makers ?
On 2/26/08, Mark J. Ginsberg <markjginsberg@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Michael,
I don't disagree, but folks who study these things have reached these
conclusions.
as for kids and helmets, in Oregon it is 16 and under. ors 814.488, for
those under 11 the adult gets the ticket, for those over 11, the kid
gets the ticket.
Mark
Michael Benno <mbenno@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Mark,
that is a good point if the cost of a helmet was significant. However I
would argue that point as being a barrier to owning a helmet.
New
helmets are very affordable (under $40) and used helmets are
essentially free. I did a quick scan of craigslist and found several
helmets ranging in price from Free to $20 on the first page alone. At
what price were you thinking helmets would no longer be a barrier?
Case
in point: I had 4 excess helmets in my basement. These are all top line
race helmets (Giro, Bell, Lima, Lazer) with all with retail prices over
$90. I tried to sell them in craigslist for $10 each. No bites! I
posted them on craigslist for free, again no bites! I put them on my
curb and was only able to get rid of one (I live on a bike route).
Personally
I think price is not a significant resitance to obtaining them. Let me
remind you all that kids under 10 are required to have helmets for
bikes, skateboards, scooters. So why not adults?
while
it is not my personal view, the resistance to requiring helmets, is
that for those who can't afford much, adding an additional requirement
makes biking that much harder, and there are studies that show that
measurable amounts of people won't bike if they must wear a helmet.
so while I wear my helmet religiously, for a person who is just getting
started (who maybe needs a helmet the most), to force them to wear a
helmet can mean they don't even start riding a bike.
Mark
Michael Benno <mbenno@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Personally,
I applaud this effort and wish PDX would step up, as a leader in the
bicycle movement, and do the same. I'm not a safety natzi or anything,
but I just don't see the need to not require helmets. I have three I'd
be willing to donate to the cause.
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Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:40:49 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Helmets will be mandatory in Vancouver, WA
There is a story on the front page of www.kgw.com
reporting that Vancouver has enacted a rule that in 30 days all
cyclists will be required to wear helmets. Full story: http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_022608_news_vancouver_helmet_law_bicycle.2edad9de.html
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