Erik Long
Howdy John! And Thank you for explaining the link between bicycle helmets and health insurance.
In my foolishness, I had always thought that the high cost of health insurance was pretty much directly linked to the astronomical cost of health care. HOW FOOLISH I'VE BEEN!
Thank you.
We should really be petitioning all our local government officials to pass more laws to protect us from ourselves.
Obesity is the #1 killer in the United States! Let's outlaw that next!
From: robert@reburney.com
To: RCJohnson1@attglobal.net; cm23468@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:56:30 -0800
CC: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Helmets will be mandatory in Vancouver, WA
Rick,
I would agree with you IF society did not pick up the
tab for those who survive their own decisions. We all pay higher medical
insurance costs for those who decide to go without health insurance. If
the rider is not killed for lack of a helmet, all our health insurance rates go
up for the extra medical care required for the individual. This is true
whether or not that rider has his own health insurance.
If he/she does not have that insurance, all of us who
do will pay even more for our own insurance.
If that rider is crippled, Social Security disability
insurance will pay, which costs society even more.
In short, I am all in favor of self determination so
long as the individual is not impacting others by their own decision.
That is rarely the case.
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[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf
Of Rick Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008
4:44 PM
To: C M
Cc: OBRA List
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Helmets
will be mandatory in Vancouver,
WA
Please speak for yourself only. I'm in favor of
letting the individual decide how valuable their brains are. If someone doesn't
think their gray matter is worth protecting I say let nature take it's course.
Rick
C M wrote:
I think it's safe to say
that most, if not all, of us in OBRA land are strongly in favor of wearing
helemts and requiring others to do the same. The question is how do we
get the word out to the policy makers ?
On 2/26/08, Mark J. Ginsberg
wrote:
Michael,
I don't disagree, but folks who study these things have reached these
conclusions.
as for kids and helmets, in Oregon
it is 16 and under. ors 814.488, for those under 11 the adult gets the ticket,
for those over 11, the kid gets the ticket.
Mark
Michael
Benno wrote:
Mark, that is a good point if the cost of a helmet
was significant. However I would argue that point as being a barrier to owning
a helmet.
New helmets are very affordable (under $40) and used
helmets are essentially free. I did a quick scan of craigslist and found
several helmets ranging in price from Free to $20 on the first page alone.
At what price were you thinking helmets would no longer be a barrier?
Case in point: I had 4 excess helmets in my basement. These
are all top line race helmets (Giro, Bell, Lima, Lazer) with all with retail
prices over $90. I tried to sell them in craigslist for $10 each. No bites! I
posted them on craigslist for free, again no bites! I put them on my curb and
was only able to get rid of one (I live on a bike route).
Personally I think price is not a significant
resitance to obtaining them. Let me remind you all that kids under 10 are
required to have helmets for bikes, skateboards, scooters. So why not adults?
----- Original Message ----
From: Mark J. Ginsberg markjginsberg@yahoo.com
while it is not my personal view, the resistance to
requiring helmets, is that for those who can't afford much, adding an
additional requirement makes biking that much harder, and there are studies
that show that measurable amounts of people won't bike if they must wear a
helmet.
so while I wear my helmet religiously, for a person who is just getting started
(who maybe needs a helmet the most), to force them to wear a helmet can mean
they don't even start riding a bike.
Mark
Michael Benno
wrote:
Personally, I applaud this effort and wish PDX would
step up, as a leader in the bicycle movement, and do the same. I'm not a safety
natzi or anything, but I just don't see the need to not require helmets. I
have three I'd be willing to donate to the cause.
----- Original Message
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From: "jon.ragsdale@comcast.net"
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:40:49 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Helmets will be mandatory in Vancouver, WA
There is a story on the front page of www.kgw.com
reporting that Vancouver
has enacted a rule that in 30 days all cyclists will be required to wear
helmets. Full story: http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_022608_news_vancouver_helmet_law_bicycle.2edad9de.html
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