Donald Reeb
Gary for president !
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On Feb 27, 2008, at 7:27 AM, "Gary Malcolm"
wrote:
> One More?
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> This argument is ridiculous.
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> By the same logic we should outlaw insurance (hmmm
) and while
> youre at it outlaw those cancerous rays from the sun too, for all t
> he good that will do.
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> I cry crocodile tears for your poor burdened wallet that so needs to
> be padded by nibbling away at any whim of liberty I might dream of
> having. Why dont I just send you money and then wrap myself in pill
> ows and duct tape? Equating the control of personal behavior with a
> monetary value is a disgusting, pandering, covetous and apparently,
> all-american pastime, but is still not worthy of regard by free men
> and women.
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> By my level of sarcasm you might be able to tell that I tire of
> having self elected nannies dictate my life. Havent you?
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> Regards,
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>
> Gary Malcolm
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> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On Behalf Of Robert Burney
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:57 PM
> To: 'Rick Johnson'; 'C M'
> Cc: 'OBRA List'
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Helmets will be mandatory in Vancouver, WA
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>
> Rick,
>
> I would agree with you IF society did not pick up the tab for those
> who survive their own decisions. We all pay higher medical
> insurance costs for those who decide to go without health
> insurance. If the rider is not killed for lack of a helmet, all our
> health insurance rates go up for the extra medical care required for
> the individual. This is true whether or not that rider has his own
> health insurance.
>
> If he/she does not have that insurance, all of us who do will pay
> even more for our own insurance.
>
> If that rider is crippled, Social Security disability insurance will
> pay, which costs society even more.
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> In short, I am all in favor of self determination so long as the
> individual is not impacting others by their own decision. That is
> rarely the case.
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> Robert Burney, JD
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> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On Behalf Of Rick Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:44 PM
> To: C M
> Cc: OBRA List
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Helmets will be mandatory in Vancouver, WA
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> Please speak for yourself only. I'm in favor of letting the
> individual decide how valuable their brains are. If someone doesn't
> think their gray matter is worth protecting I say let nature take
> it's course.
>
> Rick
>
> C M wrote:
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> I think it's safe to say that most, if not all, of us in OBRA land
> are strongly in favor of wearing helemts and requiring others to do
> the same. The question is how do we get the word out to the policy
> makers ?
>
> On 2/26/08, Mark J. Ginsberg wrote:
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> Michael,
>
> I don't disagree, but folks who study these things have reached
> these conclusions.
>
> as for kids and helmets, in Oregon it is 16 and under. ors 814.488,
> for those under 11 the adult gets the ticket, for those over 11, the
> kid gets the ticket.
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>
> Mark
>
> Michael Benno wrote:
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> Mark, that is a good point if the cost of a helmet was significant.
> However I would argue that point as being a barrier to owning a
> helmet.
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> New helmets are very affordable (under $40) and used helmets are
> essentially free. I did a quick scan of craigslist and found several
> helmets ranging in price from Free to $20 on the first page alone.
> At what price were you thinking helmets would no longer be a barrier?
>
>
> Case in point: I had 4 excess helmets in my basement. These are all
> top line race helmets (Giro, Bell, Lima, Lazer) with all with retail
> prices over $90. I tried to sell them in craigslist for $10 each. No
> bites! I posted them on craigslist for free, again no bites! I put
> them on my curb and was only able to get rid of one (I live on a
> bike route).
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> Personally I think price is not a significant resitance to obtaining
> them. Let me remind you all that kids under 10 are required to have
> helmets for bikes, skateboards, scooters. So why not adults?
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mark J. Ginsberg markjginsberg@yahoo.com
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>
> while it is not my personal view, the resistance to requiring
> helmets, is that for those who can't afford much, adding an
> additional requirement makes biking that much harder, and there are
> studies that show that measurable amounts of people won't bike if
> they must wear a helmet.
>
> so while I wear my helmet religiously, for a person who is just
> getting started (who maybe needs a helmet the most), to force them
> to wear a helmet can mean they don't even start riding a bike.
>
> Mark
>
> Michael Benno wrote:
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> Personally, I applaud this effort and wish PDX would step up, as a
> leader in the bicycle movement, and do the same. I'm not a safety
> natzi or anything, but I just don't see the need to not require
> helmets. I have three I'd be willing to donate to the cause.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "jon.ragsdale@comcast.net"
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:40:49 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Helmets will be mandatory in Vancouver, WA
>
> There is a story on the front page of www.kgw.com reporting that
> Vancouver has enacted a rule that in 30 days all cyclists will be
> required to wear helmets. Full story: http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_022608_news_vancouver_helmet_law_bicycle.2edad9de.html
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