Dan H

Jerry,
That's true right up until Murphy's law kicks in. I was rear ended while
stopped at a light. No "box" would have saved me from the OHSU doctor that
was distracted by whatever.
The "box" is a joke and a waste of resources that gives traffic challenged
cyclists a false sense of security that can lead to unsafe traffic cycling
practices. When we depend on traffic laws to protect us, the skill level
goes down. If I had run that light, (there was no possible chance of cross
traffic except for maybe a patron leaving the bar at Friar Tucks) I would
have been spared injury.
Dan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerald M Powell"
To: "Steve and Alli" ; "Doug Sears"

Cc: "OBRA list list"
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Portland's new bike box/green bike lane

> Hey folks... Having been riding bicycles in traffic for nearly fifty
> years, I can tell you that the safest place (when stopped at a traffic
> control device with cars and trucks also stopped there) is to be in
> front of the nearest car or truck... never beside it. Forrester
> recognized that reality with the "take the lane" strategy as well. If
> you're right in front of even the least attentive driver, he/she can't
> claim that you couldn't be seen... nor can you be surprised by that
> driver suddenly cutting you off, or worse.
>
> Jerry
>
> On Mar 16, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Steve and Alli wrote:
>
>> It's really to get cyclist's seen and out in front of stopped cars,
>> to help
>> prevent the "right hook" crash which is one of the most prevalent
>> urban
>> car-bike conflicts. It's typically only used with stoplight-
>> controlled
>> intersections. Check out this video if you're unfamiliar with their
>> use:
>> http://www.streetfilms.org/archives/how-to-use-a-bike-box/
>>
>> Steve Jorgensen
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Doug Sears"
>> To: "OBRA list list"
>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Portland's new bike box/green bike lane
>>
>>
>>> Thanks for the pictures. After viewing them, I don't understand the
>>> use of
>>> the bike box. If you're over on the right in the bike lane, why
>>> (and how)
>>> would you move 6 feet or so to the left to be in the box while
>>> stopped,
>>> when you just have to move back to the right into the lane as soon
>>> as the
>>> light changes?
>>>
>>> --Doug Sears
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jonathan Maus"
>>> To: "OBRA list list"
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 7:17 PM
>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Portland's new bike box/green bike lane
>>>
>>>
>>> Today, the city of Portland made good on a promise to try and make
>>> our
>>> roads safer after the two tragedies last October.
>>>
>>> here are some of the first photos of the new bike box and colored
>>> lane. This one is at SE Hawthorne and 7th and is the first of 14
>>> similar intersection treatments.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2pfeup
>>>
>>> (note: the actual bike box has not been filled in with green paint
>>> yet...that is expected to be finished on monday).
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> --Jonathan Maus
>>>
>
>
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