Karsten Hagen

This is a very well organized weekly series, put on rain or shine at a great
venue. Of course the organizer should make a healthy profit, it is an
excellent product. Of course, you could probably get just as good a workout
doing intervals on your own somewhere for free, right?

On 4/29/08 6:42 AM, "Tony McCray" wrote:

> Why don't you go organize a weekly race series then?
>
> 2008/4/29 T B :
>> Further math
>>
>> Multiple that by 20 PIRs in a season...thats 27,250 dollars net profit for
>> the entire PIR series. Maybe we should start having cash purses at these or
>> something. I mean, shoot, i work 40 hrs a week, and have a bachelors degree,
>> and only make 22,000. Dang. I chose the wrong profession.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> From: bikexcr@hotmail.com
>>> To: cmurray@obra.org; cobrakai43@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
>>> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:56:47 -0700
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
>>>
>>> Ok. I did the math. I just had to see for myself. AND WOW!!! This past PIR
>>> was a low attendance. According to the numbers given and all, it was only a
>>> profit of about 330 bucks. On nights such as the Tuesday prior, it seems to
>>> be almost 1300 dollar profit for one race. That seems a ridiculous amount
>>> for a weekly race to profit when single day races struggle to break even. A
>>> weekly series should focus on being affordable. Yes, to most of yall, whats
>>> 15 bucks. But it makes people like me, broke and starving, ponder whether it
>>> can be squeezed into an ever tight budget.
>>>
>>> My math;
>>>
>>> 300 for PIR + 50 for the truck + Officials = Give estimate of 550 Dollars
>>> 550 + 2.25 (x) where X is number of riders (lets say 150) = 337.5
>>> dollars for insurance
>>> Total cost of event is 337.5 + 550 = 887.50 dollars (which i have to admit
>>> is a pretty hefty bill to have on a weekly basis. its actually almost
>>> outrageous and makes it a wonder it can occur)
>>>
>>> So, taken there are 150 riders (which seems to be a fair average to estimate
>>> if not a low average for the entire season).
>>>
>>> 150 x 15 = 2,250 gross
>>>
>>> 2,250 - 887.50 = 1,362.50 dollars net profit for ONE night. WOW!!! I
>>> mean...WOW!!! Im in SHOCK! I need this job ASAP!!! (assuming i didn't make
>>> an error in my math)
>>>
>>> Am i making anyone's water boil yet :)
>>>
>>> I just had to do the math just for s and g's and out of boredom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: cmurray@obra.org
>>>> To: bikexcr@hotmail.com; cobrakai43@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
>>>> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
>>>> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:27:49 -0700
>>>>
>>>> Part of the problem is the expense.
>>>> The PIR track costs almost $300 a night to rent. The truck rental is $50,
>>>> the first aid person and the officials all get paid. So I would imagine
>>>> that the cost for a PIR is $550 before the first rider shows up. It costs
>>>> $2.25 per person for the liability insurance and surcharges.
>>>>
>>>> There is no charge to use Alpenrose. We do not use the truck and the race
>>>> organizer is a first aid provider, so the costs are much less then PIR. It
>>>> is only $5 entry fee for juniors, adults pay $10.00.
>>>>
>>>> Do the math. If the race organizer doe snot make a profit there will be no
>>>> events for you to race.
>>>>
>>>> Candi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of r r
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:03 PM
>>>> To: Cobra Kai; obra@list.obra.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
>>>>
>>>> I am going to take this email as an opportunity this jedi has been
>>>> pondering over about PIR as well....Why 15 bucks a shot every Tuesday? That
>>>> seems a little steep for a weekly event. Unless PIR wants some ungodly
>>>> amount to use the venue, 15 almost seems like a drastically over priced for
>>>> what it is. Yes, i know you can buy a season pass, but some of us are not
>>>> in Portland for the entire PIR season, but want to do more than one PIR a
>>>> month. At least the Eugene weekly series is 10, But by far the best deal is
>>>> 5 bucks to race on the track. Now thats a steal. And there are officials
>>>> and everything there just like PIR, the only possible difference is that
>>>> PIR wants money for us being there. But as far as i see it, there is no
>>>> reason a weekly series race should cost almost as much as other events that
>>>> are only held once a year.
>>>>
>>>> Just some of my thoughts and others that i have gathered over time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:51:51 -0700
>>>>> > From: cobrakai43@gmail.com
>>>>> > To: obra@list.obra.org
>>>>> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Cobra Kai would like to retract comments. Flyer was read while
>>>>> practicing self-asphyxiation with Miyagi's brown belt and he did not
>>>>> realize that 4's can race with 3's. Since Cobra Kai will now be paying
>>>>> less that $1 per mile, he may attend. Cobra Kai apologizes to owners of
>>>>> PIR but still feels sorry for Cat V.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > NO SENSEI!!
>>>>> >
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