Jeff Tedder & Shari
All good points everyone is making....
Also compare PIR races to the cost of doing a TRI or Duathlon race...Spendy...
Then come back and say PIR is to expensive....
Having PIR races is a big asset to OBRA as far as getting new women and men out racing that probably would never try a road race because of being intimidated....And now we have a great new surface to race on....I would be thanking Jeff instead of complaining...If you want to Play you gotta Pay....
Jeff Tedder
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----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Hedahl
To: obra
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
You are also forgetting officials fees in the calculation, or did you think that obra officials were volunteers? Also, don't forget porta-john costs, noise permits, etc. Yes, there is money to be made by organizing cycling racers. But it is also true that:
a.. the overall pay isn't very good compared to a professional "job",
b.. health insurance is not provided,
c.. you don't get sick days,
d.. no 401k,
e.. and nobody seems to appreciate what you do.
Seriously, if you think the price is to high then don't race. If you want in on the 5-figure salary they are making, then throw a race. Then you'll find out how much work goes into planning and organizing a race and never complain again.
/kevin hedahl
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Rick C Johnson wrote:
Man, you gotta love our capitalist system! Is this a great country or what?
Rick
T B wrote:
> Ok. I did the math. I just had to see for myself. AND WOW!!! This past
> PIR was a low attendance. According to the numbers given and all, it
> was only a profit of about 330 bucks. On nights such as the Tuesday
> prior, it seems to be almost 1300 dollar profit for one race. That
> seems a ridiculous amount for a weekly race to profit when single day
> races struggle to break even. A weekly series should focus on being
> affordable. Yes, to most of yall, whats 15 bucks. But it makes people
> like me, broke and starving, ponder whether it can be squeezed into an
> ever tight budget.
>
> My math;
>
> 300 for PIR + 50 for the truck + Officials = Give estimate of 550 Dollars
> 550 + 2.25 (x) where X is number of riders (lets say 150) = 337.5
> dollars for insurance
> Total cost of event is 337.5 + 550 = 887.50 dollars (which i have to
> admit is a pretty hefty bill to have on a weekly basis. its actually
> almost outrageous and makes it a wonder it can occur)
>
> So, taken there are 150 riders (which seems to be a fair average to
> estimate if not a low average for the entire season).
>
> 150 x 15 = 2,250 gross
>
> 2,250 - 887.50 = 1,362.50 dollars net profit for ONE night. WOW!!! I
> mean...WOW!!! Im in SHOCK! I need this job ASAP!!! (assuming i didn't
> make an error in my math)
>
> Am i making anyone's water boil yet :)
>
> I just had to do the math just for s and g's and out of boredom
>
>
>
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> From: cmurray@obra.org
> To: bikexcr@hotmail.com; cobrakai43@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:27:49 -0700
>
> Part of the problem is the expense.
> The PIR track costs almost $300 a night to rent. The truck rental
> is $50, the first aid person and the officials all get paid. So I
> would imagine that the cost for a PIR is $550 before the first
> rider shows up. It costs $2.25 per person for the liability
> insurance and surcharges.
>
> There is no charge to use Alpenrose. We do not use the truck and
> the race organizer is a first aid provider, so the costs are much
> less then PIR. It is only $5 entry fee for juniors, adults pay $10.00.
>
> Do the math. If the race organizer doe snot make a profit there
> will be no events for you to race.
>
> Candi
>
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> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On Behalf Of *r r
> *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2008 9:03 PM
> *To:* Cobra Kai; obra@list.obra.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
>
> I am going to take this email as an opportunity this jedi has been
> pondering over about PIR as well....Why 15 bucks a shot every
> Tuesday? That seems a little steep for a weekly event. Unless PIR
> wants some ungodly amount to use the venue, 15 almost seems like a
> drastically over priced for what it is. Yes, i know you can buy a
> season pass, but some of us are not in Portland for the entire PIR
> season, but want to do more than one PIR a month. At least the
> Eugene weekly series is 10, But by far the best deal is 5 bucks to
> race on the track. Now thats a steal. And there are officials and
> everything there just like PIR, the only possible difference is
> that PIR wants money for us being there. But as far as i see it,
> there is no reason a weekly series race should cost almost as much
> as other events that are only held once a year.
>
> Just some of my thoughts and others that i have gathered over time.
>
>
>
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> > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:51:51 -0700
> > From: cobrakai43@gmail.com
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
> >
> > Cobra Kai would like to retract comments. Flyer was read while
> practicing self-asphyxiation with Miyagi's brown belt and he did
> not realize that 4's can race with 3's. Since Cobra Kai will now
> be paying less that $1 per mile, he may attend. Cobra Kai
> apologizes to owners of PIR but still feels sorry for Cat V.
> >
> > NO SENSEI!!
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