Kristin
Certainly for some people paying race fee after race fee adds up really
fast, which is why I have much appreciated the ability to volunteer my time
in exchange for a free race or two. I think most promoters seem willing to
work with you if its that much of a hardship. Although if you have a (few)
multi-thousand dollar bike(s), I think you can probably afford to pay a few
hundred a year in race fees. Or you can just take up running, it's a lot
cheaper.
Although I do have to say.....8 miles??? Does that even count for points?
Kristin
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Jeff Henderson wrote:
> This is an interesting discussion that used to annoy
> me to no end - because I am a race director and
> there's a lot of ignorance out there.
>
> No one is valuing the promoter's time. You can add up
> all of his costs, but I don't believe he shows up at
> the track Tuesday night and a race magically happens.
> He has to arrange for everything he pays for, as well
> as a hundred other things.
>
> I organize a duathlon (run-bike-run) on a race track
> in NY. When I first approached Watkins Glen
> International with the idea for the Fly by Night, I
> was told the track costs $7,000 per day, with a
> three-day minimum for weekends. Eventually, and with
> much time and effort invested, I obtained a compromise
> whereby my race would run in the evening, after the
> Porsche Clash, for a bargain fee of $1,500. That was
> four years ago, and last year was the first year I
> turned a profit. And my entry fee starts at $55.
>
> If you want to learn more about the finances involved,
> you might find this article interesting:
>
> http://www.flybynightdu.com/fly_by_night_opens_books.pdf
>
> You have choices. I don't question the $15 because the
> promoter has created something I very much enjoy. If
> the cost outweighs the enjoyment, I don't go.
>
> hope this helps,
> Jeff
>
> --- Jeff Tedder & Shari
> wrote:
>
> > All good points everyone is making....
> > Also compare PIR races to the cost of doing a TRI or
> > Duathlon race...Spendy...
> > Then come back and say PIR is to expensive....
> > Having PIR races is a big asset to OBRA as far as
> > getting new women and men out racing that probably
> > would never try a road race because of being
> > intimidated....And now we have a great new surface
> > to race on....I would be thanking Jeff instead of
> > complaining...If you want to Play you gotta Pay....
> >
> > Jeff Tedder
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> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kevin Hedahl
> > To: obra
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
> >
> >
> > You are also forgetting officials fees in the
> > calculation, or did you think that obra officials
> > were volunteers? Also, don't forget porta-john
> > costs, noise permits, etc. Yes, there is money to be
> > made by organizing cycling racers. But it is also
> > true that:
> >
> > a.. the overall pay isn't very good compared to
> > a professional "job",
> >
> > b.. health insurance is not provided,
> >
> > c.. you don't get sick days,
> > d.. no 401k,
> >
> > e.. and nobody seems to appreciate what you do.
> > Seriously, if you think the price is to high then
> > don't race. If you want in on the 5-figure salary
> > they are making, then throw a race. Then you'll find
> > out how much work goes into planning and organizing
> > a race and never complain again.
> >
> > /kevin hedahl
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Rick C Johnson
> > wrote:
> >
> > Man, you gotta love our capitalist system! Is
> > this a great country or what?
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > T B wrote:
> >
> > > Ok. I did the math. I just had to see for
> > myself. AND WOW!!! This past
> > > PIR was a low attendance. According to the
> > numbers given and all, it
> > > was only a profit of about 330 bucks. On
> > nights such as the Tuesday
> > > prior, it seems to be almost 1300 dollar
> > profit for one race. That
> > > seems a ridiculous amount for a weekly race to
> > profit when single day
> > > races struggle to break even. A weekly series
> > should focus on being
> > > affordable. Yes, to most of yall, whats 15
> > bucks. But it makes people
> > > like me, broke and starving, ponder whether it
> > can be squeezed into an
> > > ever tight budget.
> > >
> > > My math;
> > >
> > > 300 for PIR + 50 for the truck + Officials =
> > Give estimate of 550 Dollars
> > > 550 + 2.25 (x) where X is number of riders
> > (lets say 150) = 337.5
> > > dollars for insurance
> > > Total cost of event is 337.5 + 550 = 887.50
> > dollars (which i have to
> > > admit is a pretty hefty bill to have on a
> > weekly basis. its actually
> > > almost outrageous and makes it a wonder it can
> > occur)
> > >
> > > So, taken there are 150 riders (which seems to
> > be a fair average to
> > > estimate if not a low average for the entire
> > season).
> > >
> > > 150 x 15 = 2,250 gross
> > >
> > > 2,250 - 887.50 = 1,362.50 dollars net profit
> > for ONE night. WOW!!! I
> > > mean...WOW!!! Im in SHOCK! I need this job
> > ASAP!!! (assuming i didn't
> > > make an error in my math)
> > >
> > > Am i making anyone's water boil yet :)
> > >
> > > I just had to do the math just for s and g's
> > and out of boredom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > From: cmurray@obra.org
> > > To: bikexcr@hotmail.com;
> > cobrakai43@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> > > Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR
> > retraction
> > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:27:49 -0700
> > >
> > > Part of the problem is the expense.
> > > The PIR track costs almost $300 a night to
> > rent. The truck rental
> > > is $50, the first aid person and the
> > officials all get paid. So I
> > > would imagine that the cost for a PIR is
> > $550 before the first
> > > rider shows up. It costs $2.25 per person
> > for the liability
> > > insurance and surcharges.
> > >
> > > There is no charge to use Alpenrose. We do
> > not use the truck and
> > > the race organizer is a first aid
> > provider, so the costs are much
> > > less then PIR. It is only $5 entry fee for
> > juniors, adults pay $10.00.
> > >
> > > Do the math. If the race organizer doe
> > snot make a profit there
> > > will be no events for you to race.
> > >
> > > Candi
> > >
> > >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> > > [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
> > Behalf Of *r r
> > > *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2008 9:03 PM
> > > *To:* Cobra Kai; obra@list.obra.org
> > > *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR
> > retraction
> > >
> > > I am going to take this email as an
> > opportunity this jedi has been
> > > pondering over about PIR as well....Why 15
> > bucks a shot every
> > > Tuesday? That seems a little steep for a
> > weekly event. Unless PIR
> > > wants some ungodly amount to use the
> > venue, 15 almost seems like a
> > > drastically over priced for what it is.
> > Yes, i know you can buy a
> > > season pass, but some of us are not in
> > Portland for the entire PIR
> > > season, but want to do more than one PIR a
> > month. At least the
> > > Eugene weekly series is 10, But by far the
> > best deal is 5 bucks to
> > > race on the track. Now thats a steal. And
> > there are officials and
> > > everything there just like PIR, the only
> > possible difference is
> > > that PIR wants money for us being there.
> > But as far as i see it,
> > > there is no reason a weekly series race
> > should cost almost as much
> > > as other events that are only held once a
> > year.
> > >
> > > Just some of my thoughts and others that i
> > have gathered over time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:51:51 -0700
> > > > From: cobrakai43@gmail.com
> > > > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > > > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR
> > retraction
> > > >
> > > > Cobra Kai would like to retract
> > comments. Flyer was read while
> > > practicing self-asphyxiation with Miyagi's
> > brown belt and he did
> >
> === message truncated ===>
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