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So now bicycle racing is only for the Rich? Sounds like a typical American.
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:23:52 -0700
From: kristinw@gmail.com
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
Certainly for some people paying race fee after race fee adds up really fast, which is why I have much appreciated the ability to volunteer my time in exchange for a free race or two. I think most promoters seem willing to work with you if its that much of a hardship. Although if you have a (few) multi-thousand dollar bike(s), I think you can probably afford to pay a few hundred a year in race fees. Or you can just take up running, it's a lot cheaper.
Although I do have to say.....8 miles??? Does that even count for points?
Kristin
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Jeff Henderson wrote:
This is an interesting discussion that used to annoy
me to no end - because I am a race director and
there's a lot of ignorance out there.
No one is valuing the promoter's time. You can add up
all of his costs, but I don't believe he shows up at
the track Tuesday night and a race magically happens.
He has to arrange for everything he pays for, as well
as a hundred other things.
I organize a duathlon (run-bike-run) on a race track
in NY. When I first approached Watkins Glen
International with the idea for the Fly by Night, I
was told the track costs $7,000 per day, with a
three-day minimum for weekends. Eventually, and with
much time and effort invested, I obtained a compromise
whereby my race would run in the evening, after the
Porsche Clash, for a bargain fee of $1,500. That was
four years ago, and last year was the first year I
turned a profit. And my entry fee starts at $55.
If you want to learn more about the finances involved,
you might find this article interesting:
http://www.flybynightdu.com/fly_by_night_opens_books.pdf
You have choices. I don't question the $15 because the
promoter has created something I very much enjoy. If
the cost outweighs the enjoyment, I don't go.
hope this helps,
Jeff
--- Jeff Tedder & Shari
wrote:
> All good points everyone is making....
> Also compare PIR races to the cost of doing a TRI or
> Duathlon race...Spendy...
> Then come back and say PIR is to expensive....
> Having PIR races is a big asset to OBRA as far as
> getting new women and men out racing that probably
> would never try a road race because of being
> intimidated....And now we have a great new surface
> to race on....I would be thanking Jeff instead of
> complaining...If you want to Play you gotta Pay....
>
> Jeff Tedder
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kevin Hedahl
> To: obra
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR retraction
>
>
> You are also forgetting officials fees in the
> calculation, or did you think that obra officials
> were volunteers? Also, don't forget porta-john
> costs, noise permits, etc. Yes, there is money to be
> made by organizing cycling racers. But it is also
> true that:
>
> a.. the overall pay isn't very good compared to
> a professional "job",
>
> b.. health insurance is not provided,
>
> c.. you don't get sick days,
> d.. no 401k,
>
> e.. and nobody seems to appreciate what you do.
> Seriously, if you think the price is to high then
> don't race. If you want in on the 5-figure salary
> they are making, then throw a race. Then you'll find
> out how much work goes into planning and organizing
> a race and never complain again.
>
> /kevin hedahl
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Rick C Johnson
> wrote:
>
> Man, you gotta love our capitalist system! Is
> this a great country or what?
>
> Rick
>
>
> T B wrote:
>
> > Ok. I did the math. I just had to see for
> myself. AND WOW!!! This past
> > PIR was a low attendance. According to the
> numbers given and all, it
> > was only a profit of about 330 bucks. On
> nights such as the Tuesday
> > prior, it seems to be almost 1300 dollar
> profit for one race. That
> > seems a ridiculous amount for a weekly race to
> profit when single day
> > races struggle to break even. A weekly series
> should focus on being
> > affordable. Yes, to most of yall, whats 15
> bucks. But it makes people
> > like me, broke and starving, ponder whether it
> can be squeezed into an
> > ever tight budget.
> >
> > My math;
> >
> > 300 for PIR + 50 for the truck + Officials =
> Give estimate of 550 Dollars
> > 550 + 2.25 (x) where X is number of riders
> (lets say 150) = 337.5
> > dollars for insurance
> > Total cost of event is 337.5 + 550 = 887.50
> dollars (which i have to
> > admit is a pretty hefty bill to have on a
> weekly basis. its actually
> > almost outrageous and makes it a wonder it can
> occur)
> >
> > So, taken there are 150 riders (which seems to
> be a fair average to
> > estimate if not a low average for the entire
> season).
> >
> > 150 x 15 = 2,250 gross
> >
> > 2,250 - 887.50 = 1,362.50 dollars net profit
> for ONE night. WOW!!! I
> > mean...WOW!!! Im in SHOCK! I need this job
> ASAP!!! (assuming i didn't
> > make an error in my math)
> >
> > Am i making anyone's water boil yet :)
> >
> > I just had to do the math just for s and g's
> and out of boredom
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> > From: cmurray@obra.org
> > To: bikexcr@hotmail.com;
> cobrakai43@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR
> retraction
> > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:27:49 -0700
> >
> > Part of the problem is the expense.
> > The PIR track costs almost $300 a night to
> rent. The truck rental
> > is $50, the first aid person and the
> officials all get paid. So I
> > would imagine that the cost for a PIR is
> $550 before the first
> > rider shows up. It costs $2.25 per person
> for the liability
> > insurance and surcharges.
> >
> > There is no charge to use Alpenrose. We do
> not use the truck and
> > the race organizer is a first aid
> provider, so the costs are much
> > less then PIR. It is only $5 entry fee for
> juniors, adults pay $10.00.
> >
> > Do the math. If the race organizer doe
> snot make a profit there
> > will be no events for you to race.
> >
> > Candi
> >
> >
>
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> > *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> > [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
> Behalf Of *r r
> > *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2008 9:03 PM
> > *To:* Cobra Kai; obra@list.obra.org
> > *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR
> retraction
> >
> > I am going to take this email as an
> opportunity this jedi has been
> > pondering over about PIR as well....Why 15
> bucks a shot every
> > Tuesday? That seems a little steep for a
> weekly event. Unless PIR
> > wants some ungodly amount to use the
> venue, 15 almost seems like a
> > drastically over priced for what it is.
> Yes, i know you can buy a
> > season pass, but some of us are not in
> Portland for the entire PIR
> > season, but want to do more than one PIR a
> month. At least the
> > Eugene weekly series is 10, But by far the
> best deal is 5 bucks to
> > race on the track. Now thats a steal. And
> there are officials and
> > everything there just like PIR, the only
> possible difference is
> > that PIR wants money for us being there.
> But as far as i see it,
> > there is no reason a weekly series race
> should cost almost as much
> > as other events that are only held once a
> year.
> >
> > Just some of my thoughts and others that i
> have gathered over time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:51:51 -0700
> > > From: cobrakai43@gmail.com
> > > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR
> retraction
> > >
> > > Cobra Kai would like to retract
> comments. Flyer was read while
> > practicing self-asphyxiation with Miyagi's
> brown belt and he did
>
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