David Auker
Did he really get off, during the TT?
(Another famous TT story is Pedro Delgado's TdF prologue start, where he
was over 2.5 minutes LATE for his start...kinda skimpy thinking for the
defending champion...)
David
Mark J. Ginsberg wrote:
> uh, poor Fignon, when people tell that story, they always leave out
> that he got off his bike a few times b/c of saddle sores while lemond
> had a great ride of his life.
>
> */"Darell C. Provencher" /* wrote:
>
> If I remember right, in 1989 when Le Professeur (Fignon) raced the
> last stage TT into Paris, he actually used cow horn bars and a
> front disc, so he probably had less stability in steering and
> perhaps was catching more air in the chest than if he had been
> down in the drops of regular road bars. On the mental side, if I
> remember right, Lemond also refused to get any split times from
> his support crew, while Fignon did. Lemond won the GC by 8
> seconds. And I think it was the fastest individual TT in TDF
> history until Zabriskie broke it (on a carbon fiber bike (not
> steel) and carbon wheels -- maybe 4-5 lbs lighter)? Was that 2005?
>
> DP
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 7:16 PM, David Auker > wrote:
>
> Here is a photo of Longo's position:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos.php?id=/photos/2008/may08/mthood08/mthood081/2008_MtHood-W01_01
> (same as:)
> http://tinyurl.com/42l3fb
>
> I think her little bar-angle detail was a ways away from
> turning into
> Obree's Superman position, but yes, you provide some history. Her
> "advantage" by that angle? Gotta have rules, though...look
> at Laurent
> Fignon on normal bars, Lemond ushering in aerobars (of course
> it might
> have been Fignon's ponytail that slowed him down...) in the
> final TT of
> the '89 TdF. Ouch!
>
> =David
>
> Brian L wrote:
> > In case you're interested, here is some history on the
> original "Superman"
> > position that caused this rule.
> >
> > http://www.wolfgang-menn.de/superpos.htm
> >
> >
> > -brian
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>
> [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> ] On
> > Behalf Of David Auker
> > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:12 PM
> > To: mike.murray@obra.org
> > Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Oregonian Sports Front Page
> >
> > Well, I guess rules is rules, but it seems like a trivial
> detail. It's
> > not like it would make her faster...if anything, pointing
> her arms down
> > at a greater than level angle seems like it would present
> more frontal
> > area, not enhance sleek aerodynamics. But, I'm not
> qualified to really
> > assess this!
> >
> > David
> >
> > Mike Murray wrote:
> >
> >> The applicable UCI rule is:
> >> "1.3.023 For road time trial competitions and for the
> following track
> >> competitions: individual and team pursuit,
> >> kilometre and 500 m, an extension may be added to the
> steering system. The
> >> distance
> >> between the vertical line passing through the bottom
> bracket axle and the
> >> extremity of the handlebar
> >> may not exceed 75 cm, with the other limits set in article
> 1.3.022 (B,C,D)
> >> remaining
> >> unchanged. A support for the elbows or forearms is
> permitted (see diagram
> >> «Structure (1B)»).
> >> For road time trial competitions, controls or levers fixed
> to the
> >>
> > handlebar
> >
> >> extension may extend
> >> beyond the 75 cm limit as long as they do not constitute a
> change of use,
> >> particularly that of providing
> >> an alternative hand position beyond the 75 cm mark.
> >>
> >> For the track and road competitions covered by the first
> paragraph, the
> >> distance of 75 cm may be
> >> increased to 80 cm to the extent that this is required for
> morphological
> >> reasons; «morphological reasons
> >> » should be taken as meaning anything regarding the size or
> length of the
> >> rider's body parts. A
> >> rider who, for this reason, considers that he needs to make
> use of a
> >> distance between 75 and 80
> >> cm must inform the commissaires' panel at the moment that
> he presents his
> >> licence. In such cases
> >> the commissaires' panel may carry out the following test:
> ensuring that
> >>
> > the
> >
> >> angle between the forearm
> >> and upper arm does not exceed 120° when the rider is in a
> racing position"
> >>
> >> TI expect that the deal was that angle was greater than
> 120°. The word
> >>
> > was
> >
> >> that it was measured inappropriately for the prologue and
> allowed so she
> >> assumed it was correct when she arrived at the TT with the
> same bike.
> >>
> > When
> >
> >> it was remeasured correctly it was off. Stupid rule
> anyhow. She was not
> >> penalized she was just late to the start because of the
> need to fix it.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>
> [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> ] On
> >> Behalf Of David Auker
> >> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 15:39 PM
> >> To: obra@list.obra.org
> >> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Oregonian Sports Front Page
> >>
> >>
> >> Jeaannie Longo-Ciprelli photo, out of the saddle in the Mt.
> Hood Cycling
> >> Classic.
> >>
> >>
> >
> http://blog.oregonlive.com/sportsupdates/2008/05/photos_mount_hood_cycling_c
> >
> >> las.html
> >> (also at:)
> >> http://tinyurl.com/4hktq8
> >> Action photo!
> >>
> >> Any insight on the "equipment ruling" (TT handlebars angled
> down too
> >> far) that penalized her by a minute? Was she blatantly
> trying to thwart
> >> the rules, or is she just a victim of some minor oversight
> in handlebar
> >> adjustment? Did she yell at her mechanic?
> >>
> >> =David
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