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The theory makes economic sense as it is suppsoed to incent others to reduce pollution who can do not for less cost and more efficiently than can the purchaser of the offsets.

In the case of a bike race, the theory breaks down (my tounge is cheek prior response notwithstanding), as the bike race is not replacing some other polluting activity. It would make sense only if you paid the promoter to cancel an auto race an substitute a bike race, which is stretching the point a bit anyway.

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George Schreck
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From: "Joe Cipale"

> I just have a fundamental probelm with the concept of 'purchasing' Carbon
> Offsets. It just smacks of environmental as well as Corporate hypocrisy...
>
> gschreckchat wrote:
>
> > It promotes bike racing on an automobile racing track. Does that not pollute
> less than an auto race?
> >
> > --
> >
> > George Schreck
> > gschreckchat@comcast.net
> > (503) 502-0425
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Susan Otcenas"
> >
> > > Yes, I know some people ride there. Many other drive. But, that's not
> > > the point. Carbon offsets are about carbon emitters "purchasing" the
> > > right to pollute. Sellers of offsets are generate them from
> > > emissions-reducing projects, like a wind farm. The sale of offsets are
> > > supposed to provide funds to encourage those emissions-reducing
> > > industries to thrive.
> > >
> > > A bike race is not a carbon reducing industry that should be benefitting
> > > from funds for carbon offsets. That's what's wrong with it.
> > >
> > > Susan
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > > Susan Otcenas
> > > TEAM ESTROGEN, INC.
> > > http://www.TeamEstrogen.com
> > > 1-877-310-4592
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > > Cycling Apparel and Accessories for Women
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: hagenkt@mac.com [mailto:hagenkt@mac.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:38 AM
> > > To: Susan Otcenas; obra@list.obra.org
> > > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR July Series - $700 cash prize list!
> > >
> > > Tons of people ride to PIR. Those of us that can't probably have
> > > legitimate reasons. I think this is what providing corporations the
> > > opportunity to buy carbon offsets is all about. Before this, we didn't
> > > have prize money, now we do. What's wrong with that?
> > >
> > > Karsten
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/8/08 9:21 AM, "Susan Otcenas" wrote:
> > >
> > > > So, a bunch of people drive to a bike race.... And a car company gets
> > > > carbon offsets for providing prize money?
> > > >
> > > > Maybe someone brighter than me can explain how prize money for a bike
> > > > race translates into offsetting carbon emissions.
> > > >
> > > > Susan
> > > >
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > Susan Otcenas
> > > > TEAM ESTROGEN, INC.
> > > > http://www.TeamEstrogen.com
> > > > 1-877-310-4592
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > Cycling Apparel and Accessories for Women
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> > > > On Behalf Of Jim Anderson
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:54 AM
> > > > To: obra@list.obra.org; obrarace@list.obra.org; Candi Murray/Oregon
> > > > Bicycle Racing Assn; OREGON BICYCLE RACING ASSOCIATION; Dave
> > > > Aldersebaes
> > > > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tuesday PIR July Series - $700 cash prize list!
> > > >
> > > > Reposting for Jeff.....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yep, $700 cash money.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to Mazda seeking carbon off-sets, the Tuesday nighter July
> > > > series will have an additional $700 on the line.
> > > >
> > > > The breakdown will be as follows:
> > > >
> > > > *Individual* SERIES winner take all for each category as follows.
> > > >
> > > > Cat 4/5 - $100
> > > > Cat 3/4 - $200
> > > > Cat 1/2 - $300
> > > >
> > > > *Trofeo Fast Team Classification* (Cat 1/2/3 only) - $100 cash. To be
> > > > comprised of the aggregate placings of the Top 3 fastest racers on a
> > > > given team. Start practicing your lead-outs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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