craig austin

I was being a bit facetious by calling this person a sandbagger. I looked at
the results, and yeah, the guy's killing everyone in TTs (and has been
equally good at PIR, so it looks like he's gaining the pack experience he'll
need). I'm sure he'll be upgraded when appropriate and may end up being
another Sam Schartz (remember him from a few years ago, started the season
as a 4 and ended as a 2?). He's clearly very fast and I'm sure the upgrade
police will get him when the time comes.

Craig

2008/8/15 Fischer, Jim E (Corvallis)

> One issue with having categories with TTs is how the TTs mix in with road
> stage races. If one is a cat 2 at a TT, but a cat 3 as a road racer, then
> the stage race would need to cater to this separation. Not impossible, but
> somewhat tricky. However, it does make some sense.
>
> For the mountain bike side, XC may carry different categories than DH, DS
> and OT (all can be different).
>
> CCX, Track and Road Racing all allow categories to be different across the
> disciplines.
>
>
> You can enter ATB and CCX at whatever category you like since there are no real safety issues like with pack racing on the road or track. Mandatory upgrades apply both in ATB and CCX, however, for folks who clearly deserve it.
>
> Other than the impact to stage races, I don't see an issue having
> different categories for TT and Road Racing. Having judged stage races,
> however, I'm not excited at the prospect of sorting out results for a cat 3
> road racer who is a cat 2 TT racer...not sure how you'd solve that one.
> Omniums...no problem.
>
> My two cents.
>
> Fish
>
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> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Kristin
> *Sent:* Friday, August 15, 2008 11:31 AM
> *To:* Craig Austin
> *Cc:* obra@list.obra.org; Rob Hughes
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Time Trial Divisions
>
> TT's don't count towards upgrade points on the road, as far as I know. So
> if you're < 30 and you're a time trial specialist (or a triathlete who only
> occasionally does a real TT), you will forever be stuck in the lower cats.
> Fair? I don't know. Maybe TTs need their own categories, or it should just
> be "senior men/women" without cats.
>
> k
>
> 2008/8/15 Craig Austin
>
>> We already do have that categorization. It's called "sandbagger."
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>>
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>> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org on behalf of Rob Hughes
>> *Sent:* Fri 8/15/2008 11:23 AM
>> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
>> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Time Trial Divisions
>>
>> Perhaps it is time to consider a seperate categorization for the time
>> trial when a Cat 4 rider is able to beat all the cat 3 riders, and all but 3
>> of the cat 1/2 riders. Also, how many age groups are enough, perhaps we
>> need to have winers for every age? Perhaps we need pre and postmenopausal
>> categories? Perhaps I should shut up?
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