Ken MTBDEMON
I have to agree with Justin on this. There is a time and a place and I'm not
sure that was the best time or place although I really do understand your
frustration in the situation.
This leads me to another topic I have been meaning to bring up. I'm a
cyclist AND a car driver as my job requires me to drive a great deal. I
continue to see cyclist ride two abreast on very narrow back country roads.
I see them riding roads that really bicycles have no business on like
Cornelius Pass Rd. I also see cyclist blow thru stop signs/lights so I can
understand the frustration that drivers may have with us.
With gas prices not looking like they are going to be going down anytime
soon, I have to think that more of us will be riding and dealing with cars.
Yes, perhaps more often then not we are in the right, but that really
doesn't matter if we are in a hopital bed or worse yet, 6 feet under? I
think we better find a way to get along.
My 2.8 cents worth (due to inflation)
Ken
>From: Justin Serna
>To: toyotapu996@yahoo.com, obra@list.obra.org
>CC: randyradcliffe58@aol.com
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:29:25 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Well, I did post my comment to the entire list and lets be clear?I never
>called you stupid.? ?I have a feeling if you knew who I was you might
>reconsider your wall flower comment.? Beleive me I undrserstand? your
>hostility all to well, and obviously I am not afraid to voice my opinion.?
>As I said in my first post there is a time and a place for everything.? I
>am also learning a lot as I become older and ANGER will get us no where!!!?
>I really hope that you will think about this experience and try to
>understand that flipping someone off and then trying to explain yourself to
>someone generaly doesn't work out very well.
>Ciao`
>
>J. Serna
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Lynne Cuevas
>To: Justin Serna
>Cc: randyradcliffe58@aol.com
>Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:51:24 PM
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
>
>
>Yes, it happened in the sticks.? No, I wasn't alone with him when he came
>running out of the business yelling at me.? No, I do not let these people
>intimidate me.? I do not let people wrong me or anyone else and then not
>say anything because they might hit me or shoot me.? Bullies don't run my
>life.? Besides that, I didn't confront him, I just stopped in the road in
>front of the business that he was parked at.? Was I supposed to ride home a
>different way to avoid him?? Maybe you would be the next guy he harrassed
>and he just used his truck to unleash his hostility?? You can go ahead and
>be a wall flower and not stop assholes like this but don't call me stupid
>because I won't take it!
>? Why don't you post this to the whole list and see what other people
>think?? I think that getting him off the road and keeping him from actually
>hurting someone else is what I am morally obligated to do.
>? Feel free to share my response.
>?
>Lynne
>
>--- On Wed, 8/27/08, Justin Serna wrote:
>
>From: Justin Serna
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
>To: "Lynne cuevas" , obra@list.obra.org
>Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 12:24 PM
>
>
>OK, I know I am going to catch hell for this but come on!!!? What part of
>this scenario made you think you should stop and reason with this guy?
>?
>1) Helvetia Rd.? (Not?exactly the most urban neighborhood)
>?
>2)? Older Brown Chevy p.u.?( Not Exactly a Volvo with a bike rack on top)
>?
>3)? Jackson Quarry?Rd.? (Just sounds like you are in the sticks)
>?
>4) Stopped in the road to see just who this jack ass was. (Really, just to
>see who he was)
>?
>5)?? He came running out of the business yelling at me. ( Review 1-4 and
>then add man running out of?TIRE?SHOP screaming at you and you were going
>to reason with him???)
>?
>I am not just trying to be a smart ass but seriously there is a time and a
>place for everything.? I have found in my 39 years of experience that when
>ever we track someone down to explain?our side it never really goes the way
>we intend.? I completely understand how you must have felt as I am sure
>most of us here do.? I will be perfectly honest, I have always been a bit
>of a hot head when it comes to less than courteous drivers but after
>reading the recently posted story here on the OBRA blog, about the
>gentleman that had a GUN pulled on him.? I will think more than twice about
>who I explain anything to.? I have been trying very hard to just go with
>the smile and wave retort.?
>?
>Please don't take this as a personal attack, I just want us all to get
>along!!!!!
>?
>?
>J. Serna
>
>?
>---- Original Message ----
>From: Lynne cuevas
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:03:27 AM
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
>
>I was on the newly chip sealed Helvetia rd yesterday riding along in the
>center of the lane trying to find the smooth spots in the road as there was
>no traffic at the time.? All of the sudden there is an older brown Chevy
>p.u. whizzing by my left shoulder blaring his horn.? My reaction was to fly
>the bird and keep going.
>? He turned left at Jackson Quarry rd. as well as I did.? I came upon his
>truck at McCann tire and stopped in the road to see just who this jack ass
>was.? He came running out of the business yelling at me about how illegal I
>was and that I was going to end up in a ditch!? I tried to explain to him
>that if he would have tooted his horn a couple of hundred feet behind me, I
>would have gladly moved over for him and that the chip seal was hard for me
>to ride.? He heard none of it and yelled at me.? Of course I told him he
>was wrong and I did have as much right to be there as he did.
>? This infuriated the man.? He ran towards me and was kicking gravel on me
>from less than 5' away and swung his arms wildly as he was calling me a
>bitch.
>? At that time the guy from McCann's told him to stop.? I tried to explain
>to the shop guy what had happened, he told me to leave.? I was on the
>street...not on his property.? I got the license number of the truck and
>left.
>? The police said they were going to go talk to him but wouldn't give me a
>return call to say how it went.
>? I later learned that the guy that harassed me was an employee of the tire
>shop.? I was a customer of his a month ago.? He changed over some tires for
>my friend.? We are both cyclists and wanted to give the small business
>owner our business.?
>
>He won't get my business anymore
>
>Lynne Cuevas
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