tackyglueit
don't ever let go of your stereotypes......
2008/8/27
> Jerks like that never are that introspective. .
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Godfrey,David"
> if we were voting on the issue I would vote for the smile and wave vs
> stopping and confronting.
>
> Here's why: After the confrontation on the side of the road, did the driver
> of the old brown Chevy see the situation from a different perspective saying
> "Gosh, I never thought of it like that, sorry for honking my horn back
> there, have a great rest of your ride." or is he going to throw a beer can
> at the next cyclist he sees?
>
> DG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]*On
> Behalf Of *gschreckchat@comcast.net
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:57 PM
> *To:* Justin Serna; toyotapu996@yahoo.com; obra@list.obra.org
> *Cc:* randyradcliffe58@aol.com
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
>
> I do not think we get anywhere by turning the other cheek. We should
> confront stupidity and intolerance wherever it arises. Under your
> strategy we would only confront people who would tend agree with us, as
> opposed to the biggest offenders.
>
> --
>
> George Schreck
> gschreckchat@comcast.net
> (503) 502-0425
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Justin Serna
>
> Well, I did post my comment to the entire list and lets be clear I never
> called you stupid. I have a feeling if you knew who I was you might
> reconsider your wall flower comment. Beleive me I undrserstand your
> hostility all to well, and obviously I am not afraid to voice my opinion.
> As I said in my first post there is a time and a place for everything. I am
> also learning a lot as I become older and ANGER will get us no where!!! I
> really hope that you will think about this experience and try to understand
> that flipping someone off and then trying to explain yourself to someone
> generaly doesn't work out very well.
>
> Ciao`
>
>
> J. Serna
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Lynne Cuevas
> To: Justin Serna
> Cc: randyradcliffe58@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:51:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
>
> Yes, it happened in the sticks. No, I wasn't alone with him when he
> came running out of the business yelling at me. No, I do not let these
> people intimidate me. I do not let people wrong me or anyone else and then
> not say anything because they might hit me or shoot me. Bullies don't run
> my life. *Besides that, I didn't confront him, I just stopped in the road
> in front of the business that he was parked at. Was I supposed to ride home
> a different way to avoid him?* Maybe you would be the next guy he
> harrassed and he just used his truck to unleash his hostility? You can go
> ahead and be a wall flower and not stop assholes like this but don't call me
> stupid because I won't take it!
> Why don't you post this to the whole list and see what other people
> think? I think that getting him off the road and keeping him from actually
> hurting someone else is what I am morally obligated to do.
> Feel free to share my response.
>
> Lynne
>
> --- On *Wed, 8/27/08, Justin Serna * wrote:
>
> From: Justin Serna
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
> To: "Lynne cuevas" , obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 12:24 PM
>
>
> OK, I know I am going to catch hell for this but come on!!! What part of
> this scenario made you think you should stop and reason with this guy?
>
> 1) Helvetia Rd. (Not exactly the most urban neighborhood)
>
> 2) Older Brown Chevy p.u. ( Not Exactly a Volvo with a bike rack on top)
>
> 3) Jackson Quarry Rd. (Just sounds like you are in the sticks)
>
> 4) Stopped in the road to see just who this jack ass was. (Really, just to
> see who he was)
>
> 5) He came running out of the business yelling at me. ( Review 1-4 and
> then add man running out of TIRE SHOP screaming at you and you were going to
> reason with him???)
>
> I am not just trying to be a smart ass but seriously there is a time and a
> place for everything. I have found in my 39 years of experience that when
> ever we track someone down to explain our side it never really goes the way
> we intend. I completely understand how you must have felt as I am sure most
> of us here do. I will be perfectly honest, I have always been a bit of a
> hot head when it comes to less than courteous drivers but after reading the
> recently posted story here on the OBRA blog, about the gentleman that had a
> GUN pulled on him. I will think more than twice about who I explain
> anything to. I have been trying very hard to just go with the smile and
> wave retort.
>
> Please don't take this as a personal attack, I just want us all to get
> along!!!!!
>
>
> J. Serna
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: Lynne cuevas
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:03:27 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
>
> I was on the newly chip sealed Helvetia rd yesterday riding along in the
> center of the lane trying to find the smooth spots in the road as there was
> no traffic at the time. All of the sudden there is an older brown Chevy
> p.u. whizzing by my left shoulder blaring his horn. My reaction was to fly
> the bird and keep going.
> He turned left at Jackson Quarry rd. as well as I did. I came upon his
> truck at McCann tire and stopped in the road to see just who this jack ass
> was. He came running out of the business yelling at me about how illegal I
> was and that I was going to end up in a ditch! I tried to explain to him
> that if he would have tooted his horn a couple of hundred feet behind me, I
> would have gladly moved over for him and that the ch ip seal was hard for me
> to ride. He heard none of it and yelled at me. Of course I told him he was
> wrong and I did have as much right to be there as he did.
> This infuriated the man. He ran towards me and was kicking gravel on me
> from less than 5' away and swung his arms wildly as he was calling me a
> bitch.
> At that time the guy from McCann's told him to stop. I tried to explain
> to the shop guy what had happened, he told me to leave. I was on the
> street...not on his property. I got the license number of the truck and
> left.
> The police said they were going to go talk to him but wouldn't give me a
> return call to say how it went.
> I later learned that the guy that harassed me was an employee of the tire
> shop. I was a customer of his a month ago. He changed over some tires for
> my friend. We are both cyclists and wanted to give the small business owner
> our business.
>
> He won't ge t my b u siness anymore
>
> Lynne Cuevas
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