hrdtduck
I have to agree with the original rider... We have to do something when we
can..one of the things I see not mentioned or possibly experienced from you
guys saying "just be cool and friendly"..When a vehicle comes up blind from
behind blaring the horn or nearly hitting you..your first instinctive
response is FEAR, fear for your life. That visceral response is not
compatible nor leads to a friendly wave or pretending to ignore the
assault.you (and I think for most of us non Gandhi types) get MAD.fighting
mad and the guy who points a gun at me better use it or he is going to be
wearing it or dead.that is a intimidation I cannot let pass.and have not in
the past (no gun but the guy got out of the truck and attacked me.I kicked
his ass, called the cops, waited for them to show up and got threatened with
arrest if I pursued getting the guy arrested for assault and attempted
murder).
We have to defend ourselves.we cannot just lie down and take it...
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of gschreckchat@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:21 PM
To: tackyglueit
Cc: obra@list.obra.org; Godfrey, David; randyradcliffe58@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
Some stereotypes are based on years of experience. I consider a failure to
learn from experience a defect that prevents one from functioning correctly
in future situations. Then again, some people are naive and never learn.
--
George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425
-------------- Original message --------------
From: tackyglueit
don't ever let go of your stereotypes......
2008/8/27
Jerks like that never are that introspective. .
--
George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Godfrey,David"
if we were voting on the issue I would vote for the smile and wave vs
stopping and confronting.
Here's why: After the confrontation on the side of the road, did the driver
of the old brown Chevy see the situation from a different perspective saying
"Gosh, I never thought of it like that, sorry for honking my horn back
there, have a great rest of your ride." or is he going to throw a beer can
at the next cyclist he sees?
DG
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]On
Behalf Of gschreckchat@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:57 PM
To: Justin Serna; toyotapu996@yahoo.com; obra@list.obra.org
Cc: randyradcliffe58@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
I do not think we get anywhere by turning the other cheek. We should
confront stupidity and intolerance wherever it arises. Under your strategy
we would only confront people who would tend agree with us, as opposed to
the biggest offenders.
--
George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Justin Serna
Well, I did post my comment to the entire list and lets be clear I never
called you stupid. I have a feeling if you knew who I was you might
reconsider your wall flower comment. Beleive me I undrserstand your
hostility all to well, and obviously I am not afraid to voice my opinion.
As I said in my first post there is a time and a place for everything. I am
also learning a lot as I become older and ANGER will get us no where!!! I
really hope that you will think about this experience and try to understand
that flipping someone off and then trying to explain yourself to someone
generaly doesn't work out very well.
Ciao`
J. Serna
----- Original Message ----
From: Lynne Cuevas
To: Justin Serna
Cc: randyradcliffe58@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:51:24 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
Yes, it happened in the sticks. No, I wasn't alone with him when he came
running out of the business yelling at me. No, I do not let these people
intimidate me. I do not let people wrong me or anyone else and then not say
anything because they might hit me or shoot me. Bullies don't run my life.
Besides that, I didn't confront him, I just stopped in the road in front of
the business that he was parked at. Was I supposed to ride home a different
way to avoid him? Maybe you would be the next guy he harrassed and he just
used his truck to unleash his hostility? You can go ahead and be a wall
flower and not stop assholes like this but don't call me stupid because I
won't take it!
Why don't you post this to the whole list and see what other people think?
I think that getting him off the road and keeping him from actually hurting
someone else is what I am morally obligated to do.
Feel free to share my response.
Lynne
--- On Wed, 8/27/08, Justin Serna wrote:
From: Justin Serna
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
To: "Lynne cuevas" , obra@list.obra.org
Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 12:24 PM
OK, I know I am going to catch hell for this but come on!!! What part of
this scenario made you think you should stop and reason with this guy?
1) Helvetia Rd. (Not exactly the most urban neighborhood)
2) Older Brown Chevy p.u. ( Not Exactly a Volvo with a bike rack on top)
3) Jackson Quarry Rd. (Just sounds like you are in the sticks)
4) Stopped in the road to see just who this jack ass was. (Really, just to
see who he was)
5) He came running out of the business yelling at me. ( Review 1-4 and
then add man running out of TIRE SHOP screaming at you and you were going to
reason with him???)
I am not just trying to be a smart ass but seriously there is a time and a
place for everything. I have found in my 39 years of experience that when
ever we track someone down to explain our side it never really goes the way
we intend. I completely understand how you must have felt as I am sure most
of us here do. I will be perfectly honest, I have always been a bit of a
hot head when it comes to less than courteous drivers but after reading the
recently posted story here on the OBRA blog, about the gentleman that had a
GUN pulled on him. I will think more than twice about who I explain
anything to. I have been trying very hard to just go with the smile and
wave retort.
Please don't take this as a personal attack, I just want us all to get
along!!!!!
J. Serna
---- Original Message ----
From: Lynne cuevas
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:03:27 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] road rage on Helvetia rd
I was on the newly chip sealed Helvetia rd yesterday riding along in the
center of the lane trying to find the smooth spots in the road as there was
no traffic at the time. All of the sudden there is an older brown Chevy
p.u. whizzing by my left shoulder blaring his horn. My reaction was to fly
the bird and keep going.
He turned left at Jackson Quarry rd. as well as I did. I came upon his
truck at McCann tire and stopped in the road to see just who this jack ass
was. He came running out of the business yelling at me about how illegal I
was and that I was going to end up in a ditch! I tried to explain to hi m
that if he would have tooted his horn a couple of hundred feet behind me, I
would have gladly moved over for him and that the ch ip seal was hard for me
to ride. He heard none of it and yelled at me. Of course I told him he was
wrong and I did have as much right to be there as he did.
This infuriated the man. He ran towards me and was kicking gravel on me
from less than 5' away and swung his arms wildly as he was calling me a
bitch.
At that time the guy from McCann's told him to stop. I tried to explain
to the shop guy what had happened, he told me to leave. I was on the
street...not on his property. I got the license number of the truck and
left.
The police said they were going to go talk to him but wouldn't give me a
return call to say how it went.
I later learned that the guy that harassed me was an employee of the tire
shop. I was a customer of his a month ago. He changed over some tires f or
my friend. We are both cyclists and wanted to give the small business owner
our business.
He won't ge t my b u siness anymore
Lynne Cuevas
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