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Dock, Dion

2002-01-23

If you ride in the winter you can either

a) use White Lightning. You won't build up black sludge, but you will build up wax on your cassette cogs. Be careful not to gum up your derailleur pulleys. It washes off so you have to lube more often. Going on a ride where you start wet and finish dry will leave you squeaking. Your chain will rust quickly. On the other hand, I just put WL on over the rust and ride again. If you look at the disc brakes on your car, you'll notice they rust during the day while the car is parked. I just don't think rust is a problem when lubing regularly.

b) use oil. Great if you can live with the goo. Wipe your chain regularly to keep it clean, don't just keep dumping more oil on it.

Personally, I use WL during the winter and oil on my race bike.

YMMV,

-Dion

-----Original Message-----

From: John Forbes [mailto:j_for-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 10:09 PM

To: mike.m-@obra.org; OBRA Remailer

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] WINTER TIPS #2

Or just lube with White Lightning and Race Day frequently. I somehow make

chains last for extremely long times but use the above lube every 2 or 3

rides. More if they are long rides.

Larry Smith

2002-01-22

OK, so you need to ride in the rain because you want to be fit for Tour of

Willamette. I switched to DumondeTech chain lube a few years ago and am

totally satisfied with the results. The formulation that they have sticks

to the chain even in pouring rain conditions for days and days. It's a

little messy after a couple of weeks of riding, but the chains never rust

and continue to roll smoothly through all 23 teeth on big cog. It's a

little hard to find, but well worth the search. White Lightning and Race

Day simply don't make it (no offense John), plus the accumulation of wax on

the little cogs makes for less than optimal performance from the shifters

etc.

See ya at the races....

Larry Smith

PS...Skiing is the preferred alternative for the really old guys who still

ride bikes fast in the late season.

John Forbes

2002-01-21

Or just lube with White Lightning and Race Day frequently. I somehow make

chains last for extremely long times but use the above lube every 2 or 3

rides. More if they are long rides.

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I use wax and it works well...if it doesn't rain. If it rains then the

chain will rust, lose lubrication and start to squeak. Those who know me

probably also know my solution for this problem. Those who insist on riding

in the rain will need to add some oil.

Mike Murray

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I've been meaning to try paraffin (wax) Supposedly lasts a very long time

and doesn't attract crud.

1. Melt it down in a pot you're never going to use for anything else.

2. Tie string to end of clean dry chain and dip it into melted paraffin,

let soak for a while.

3. Hang chain up, wipe down with rag, re-assemble.

I would imagine that once you've done this you're not going to be able to

lube the chain with anything else. Has anyone out there done this before?

Peter Drake

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Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 1:19 PM

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] WINTER TIPS #2

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I got a bunch of good tips on staying warm while riding in the rain.

the 3 main tips were:

1) wear something on my head

2) layer foot wear

3) either invest in expensive gloves or bring multiple pairs

and for extra credit I got a few "eat more food and put on 20 pounds" for

insulation....

to replace or to clean??

there were so many responses I though I would try to further the tips. today

I want to ask about chain lube and road sludge. I have been using tri-flow

and my chain just gunks up horribly. the derailleur gets clogged full of

crap, the crankset is all grimy and the cassette is packed full of schwag

too. I have found that if I just let the garbage build up for a month/month

and a half that I might as well just chuck the chain and clean the whole

drive train in a solvent tank. when I put the new chain on everything is

nice again. I do notice however that other peoples bikes are nice and clean

all the time even when they are riding outside a lot also. are you

guys/girls really cleaning your bikes that often?? let's hear some super

fast chain cleaning tips.

a tip from me: eyewear is great, when you can see through it. use your B

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mike.m-@obra.org

2002-01-21

I use wax and it works well...if it doesn't rain. If it rains then the

chain will rust, lose lubrication and start to squeak. Those who know me

probably also know my solution for this problem. Those who insist on riding

in the rain will need to add some oil.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----

From: pdr-@compview.com [mailto:pdr-@compview.com]

Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 14:06 PM

To: eric.k-@kingdesign.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] WINTER TIPS #2

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I've been meaning to try paraffin (wax) Supposedly lasts a very long time

and doesn't attract crud.

1. Melt it down in a pot you're never going to use for anything else.

2. Tie string to end of clean dry chain and dip it into melted paraffin,

let soak for a while.

3. Hang chain up, wipe down with rag, re-assemble.

I would imagine that once you've done this you're not going to be able to

lube the chain with anything else. Has anyone out there done this before?

Peter Drake

-----Original Message-----

From: eric.k-@kingdesign.com [mailto:eric.k-@kingdesign.com]

Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 1:19 PM

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] WINTER TIPS #2

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I got a bunch of good tips on staying warm while riding in the rain.

the 3 main tips were:

1)      wear something on my head

2)      layer foot wear

3)      either invest in expensive gloves or bring multiple pairs

and for extra credit I got a few "eat more food and put on 20 pounds" for

insulation....

to replace or to clean??

there were so many responses I though I would try to further the tips. today

I want to ask about chain lube and road sludge. I have been using tri-flow

and my chain just gunks up horribly. the derailleur gets clogged full of

crap, the crankset is all grimy and the cassette is packed full of schwag

too. I have found that if I just let the garbage build up for a month/month

and a half that I might as well just chuck the chain and clean the whole

drive train in a solvent tank. when I put the new chain on everything is

nice again. I do notice however that other peoples bikes are nice and clean

all the time even when they are riding outside a lot also. are you

guys/girls really cleaning your bikes that often?? let's hear some super

fast chain cleaning tips.

a tip from me: eyewear is great, when you can see through it. use your B

grade glasses and rain-x them inside and out. then a squirt of clean water

rinses the grim and sweat off. the sheeting action leaving a sparkling field

of view.

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2002-01-21

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I've been meaning to try paraffin (wax) Supposedly lasts a very long time

and doesn't attract crud.

1. Melt it down in a pot you're never going to use for anything else.

2. Tie string to end of clean dry chain and dip it into melted paraffin,

let soak for a while.

3. Hang chain up, wipe down with rag, re-assemble.

I would imagine that once you've done this you're not going to be able to

lube the chain with anything else. Has anyone out there done this before?

Peter Drake

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From: eric.k-@kingdesign.com [mailto:eric.k-@kingdesign.com]

Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 1:19 PM

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] WINTER TIPS #2

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I got a bunch of good tips on staying warm while riding in the rain.

the 3 main tips were:

1) wear something on my head

2) layer foot wear

3) either invest in expensive gloves or bring multiple pairs

and for extra credit I got a few "eat more food and put on 20 pounds" for

insulation....

to replace or to clean??

there were so many responses I though I would try to further the tips. today

I want to ask about chain lube and road sludge. I have been using tri-flow

and my chain just gunks up horribly. the derailleur gets clogged full of

crap, the crankset is all grimy and the cassette is packed full of schwag

too. I have found that if I just let the garbage build up for a month/month

and a half that I might as well just chuck the chain and clean the whole

drive train in a solvent tank. when I put the new chain on everything is

nice again. I do notice however that other peoples bikes are nice and clean

all the time even when they are riding outside a lot also. are you

guys/girls really cleaning your bikes that often?? let's hear some super

fast chain cleaning tips.

a tip from me: eyewear is great, when you can see through it. use your B

grade glasses and rain-x them inside and out. then a squirt of clean water

rinses the grim and sweat off. the sheeting action leaving a sparkling field

of view.

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I've been meaning to try paraffin (wax) Supposedly lasts a very long time and doesn't attract crud.



1. Melt it down in a pot you're never going to use for anything else.



2. Tie string to end of clean dry chain and dip it into melted paraffin, let soak for a while.



3. Hang chain up, wipe down with rag, re-assemble.



I would imagine that once you've done this you're not going to be able to lube the chain with anything else. Has anyone out there done this before?

Peter Drake



 

 

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I got a bunch of good tips on staying warm while riding in the rain.

 the 3 main tips were:

 1) wear something on my head

 2) layer foot wear

 3) either invest in expensive gloves or bring multiple pairs



and for extra credit I got a few "eat more food and put on 20 pounds" for

 insulation....



to replace or to clean??

 there were so many responses I though I would try to further the tips. today

 I want to ask about chain lube and road sludge. I have been using tri-flow

 and my chain just gunks up horribly. the derailleur gets clogged full of

 crap, the crankset is all grimy and the cassette is packed full of schwag

 too. I have found that if I just let the garbage build up for a month/month

 and a half that I might as well just chuck the chain and clean the whole

 drive train in a solvent tank. when I put the new chain on everything is

 nice again. I do notice however that other peoples bikes are nice and clean

 all the time even when they are riding outside a lot also. are you

 guys/girls really cleaning your bikes that often?? let's hear some super

 fast chain cleaning tips.



a tip from me: eyewear is great, when you can see through it. use your B

 grade glasses and rain-x them inside and out. then a squirt of clean water

 rinses the grim and sweat off. the sheeting action leaving a sparkling field

 of view.



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DaViD AuKeR

2002-01-21

today

I want to ask about chain lube and road sludge.

For this climate, I think oil is best...apply and wipe down.

I just use motor oil, a drop on each bushing/roller. Let it sit for a

moment, then to clean excess, I run a double sheet of newspaper between

chain/cog, then chain/chainwheel. I do this a few times until it's not

making really dirty/oily teeth marks any more. On a fixed gear, it's

easy to do, and there's only one cog at each end to "clean." (Just

don't get any fingers in the area!)

the derailleur gets clogged full of

crap, the crankset is all grimy and the cassette is packed full of schwag

Ride a fixed gear in this nasty weather, and you won't have as many

maintenance problems! Also, you won't have the problem with all that

grey alluminum that drips off the rims onto your floor after rides, due

to brake use in the grimy wet. You'll be using your legs instead of

brake pads!

David

Erik Voldengen

2002-01-21

SynLube really works well in the wet. It's wierd stuff,

but seems to keep my drivetrain reasonably clean. It

supposedly has some stuff in it to help it stick to metal.

But I still clean my chain every now and then, as should you.

I have found tri-flow to be a crap magnent. It lubricates

well, but junk seems to love to stick to it. It washes

off pretty quickly, too.

-Erik

eric.k-@kingdesign.com

2002-01-21

I got a bunch of good tips on staying warm while riding in the rain.

the 3 main tips were:

1) wear something on my head

2) layer foot wear

3) either invest in expensive gloves or bring multiple pairs

and for extra credit I got a few "eat more food and put on 20 pounds" for

insulation?.

to replace or to clean??

there were so many responses I though I would try to further the tips. today

I want to ask about chain lube and road sludge. I have been using tri-flow

and my chain just gunks up horribly. the derailleur gets clogged full of

crap, the crankset is all grimy and the cassette is packed full of schwag

too. I have found that if I just let the garbage build up for a month/month

and a half that I might as well just chuck the chain and clean the whole

drive train in a solvent tank. when I put the new chain on everything is

nice again. I do notice however that other peoples bikes are nice and clean

all the time even when they are riding outside a lot also. are you

guys/girls really cleaning your bikes that often?? let's hear some super

fast chain cleaning tips.

a tip from me: eyewear is great, when you can see through it. use your B

grade glasses and rain-x them inside and out. then a squirt of clean water

rinses the grim and sweat off. the sheeting action leaving a sparkling field

of view.

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