Re: nutrition/cola

Dave Campbell

2002-01-26

Good point, David. I had an interesting experience with Coke at Ironman in

99. My friend who had done a few (14!) told me to try some coke in the

last hr of hard training sessions as I might find myself wanting it at the

end of the race...

sure enough, it happened! The issue for me was that after 9-10 hrs of

drinking red and blue sports drinks (YUCK!!!), I was sick of them! There

is no way you can drink just water at that point and gels become a bit

unappealing especially if it is hot. I think that deep into an intense

endurance effort, reserves are so depleted that something extremely simple

and high-glycemic works because you are relying on just blood sugar at that

point. Anyway, been there...



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The pro's are not drinking cola during the entire race...usually just the

last hour of a race for an extremely quick boost of energy. At that point in

the race, cola usually tastes pretty dang good and has a lot of simple

calories and a fair amount of caffeine. Cola also seems to hit the system

quicker and harder than gels.....



    DJ





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2 years ago I was watching the pro race at the Tour Of Willamette by the

side of the road. One of the leaders a (Mercury guy) threw his full water

bottle in our direction and asked "How far?" It was near the finish so he

was dumping weight. Anyway, I was surprised to see that it was filled with

cola. How can you do a race like that and drink cola? Can anyone share

the

possible benifits? I guess it is mostly sugar and water, but I dont

understand how caffiene can be benificial. Especially in a longer race. I

know they have goo packets with caffiene added as well.



Matthew Wall



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Eric wrote:

 

and doesn't sir edmund burke claim there is an advantage to jacking up

your

 insulin levels within 2 hours after exercise to load your glycogen

stores?

  he suggest a soda pop after a ride. the increased insulin migrates the

carbs

 to the depleted storeage areas. endurox claims to raise your insulin

production.



Eric, "Soda Pop" usually means CocaCola or some other phosphate laden

drink. Phosphates block calcium absorbtion. Caffiene also interferes

with

 calcium uptake. Since active athletes need at least 2000mg of calcium

per

 day (not subtracting that which their Coka-Cola blocks) it would be a

good

 idea to revisit the choice of drink. 100% fruit juice will be more

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David Johnson

2002-01-25





The pro's are not drinking cola during the entire race...usually just the

last hour of a race for an extremely quick boost of energy. At that point in

the race, cola usually tastes pretty dang good and has a lot of simple

calories and a fair amount of caffeine. Cola also seems to hit the system

quicker and harder than gels.....



    DJ





 From: Matthew Wall <still-@hotmail.com>

Reply-To: still-@hotmail.com

To: OBRA <ob-@topica.com>

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] nutrition/cola

Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:41:23 -0800



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2 years ago I was watching the pro race at the Tour Of Willamette by the

side of the road. One of the leaders a (Mercury guy) threw his full water

bottle in our direction and asked "How far?" It was near the finish so he

was dumping weight. Anyway, I was surprised to see that it was filled with

cola. How can you do a race like that and drink cola? Can anyone share

the

possible benifits? I guess it is mostly sugar and water, but I dont

understand how caffiene can be benificial. Especially in a longer race. I

know they have goo packets with caffiene added as well.



Matthew Wall



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Eric wrote:

 

and doesn't sir edmund burke claim there is an advantage to jacking up

your

 insulin levels within 2 hours after exercise to load your glycogen

stores?

  he suggest a soda pop after a ride. the increased insulin migrates the

carbs

 to the depleted storeage areas. endurox claims to raise your insulin

production.



Eric, "Soda Pop" usually means CocaCola or some other phosphate laden

drink. Phosphates block calcium absorbtion. Caffiene also interferes

with

 calcium uptake. Since active athletes need at least 2000mg of calcium

per

 day (not subtracting that which their Coka-Cola blocks) it would be a

good

 idea to revisit the choice of drink. 100% fruit juice will be more

healthy

 and have lots of sugars, too. maybe even a vitamin.

A balanced commercial product intended for recovery needs to have some

scientific basis for its existance. Tooting my own horn, I suggest you

look at the Shaklee website for sports products. Ask about the science

first. Shaklee has over 70+ published peer reviewed scientific studies

about human nutritional needs and their products intended to help those

needs. Check the web site. www.shaklee.net/thefullers Check out

Physique

 for recovery.

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mike.m-@obra.org

2002-01-24

Matthew Wall wrote:

"I dont understand how caffiene can be benificial. Especially in a longer

race. I

know they have goo packets with caffiene added as well."



Caffeine is one of the very few substances that actually has proven

ergogenic value. This is thought to be because of an effect of increased

glyconeogenesis. The effect is small but measurable. Interestingly it is

not dose dependant, rather than increasing with dose it actually goes away

at higher doses. To get the maximum ergogenic benefit you need to stay with

doses well within the "legal" range.



Mike Murray



Dr. Ryan Iverach

2002-01-24

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That's an interesting question about the effects of caffeine and soda during

a race.



I have not checked the literature, but a few of my patients who are

endurance athletes claim that there are benefits to using Coke or Pepsi late

in a race. I have personally used Pepsi in the final hour or so of an

Ironman, and I've seen great results. In my experience, the trick is to

drink small amounts at regular intervals, and once you start drinking it,

don't stop until the finish. The caffeine will transiently increase

glycogen breakdown, and give you a final boost of energy. The straight

glucose from the soda will enter your blood rapidly and give a rise in

energy for a while, until your insulin response kicks in (and then probably

overshoots) and brings your blood sugar back down.



I wouldn't be surprised if that's what the pro was doing at the end of the

Tour of Willamette, just getting an extra boost at the end of the race.



Dr. Ryan Iverach

Chiropractic Physician



Clearwater Chiropractic and Massage

1201 SW 12th Avenue, Suite 205

Portland, Oregon 97205

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the literature, but a few of my patients who are endurance athletes claim that

there are benefits to using Coke or Pepsi late in a race.  I have

personally used Pepsi in the final hour or so of an Ironman, and I've seen great

results.  In my experience, the trick is to drink small amounts at regular

intervals, and once you start drinking it, don't stop until the finish. 

The caffeine will transiently increase glycogen breakdown, and give you a final

boost of energy.  The straight glucose from the soda will enter your blood

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Matthew Wall

2002-01-24

2 years ago I was watching the pro race at the Tour Of Willamette by the

side of the road. One of the leaders a (Mercury guy) threw his full water

bottle in our direction and asked "How far?" It was near the finish so he

was dumping weight. Anyway, I was surprised to see that it was filled with

cola. How can you do a race like that and drink cola? Can anyone share the

possible benifits? I guess it is mostly sugar and water, but I dont

understand how caffiene can be benificial. Especially in a longer race. I

know they have goo packets with caffiene added as well.



Matthew Wall



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Eric wrote:

 

and doesn't sir edmund burke claim there is an advantage to jacking up

your

 insulin levels within 2 hours after exercise to load your glycogen

stores?

  he suggest a soda pop after a ride. the increased insulin migrates the

carbs

 to the depleted storeage areas. endurox claims to raise your insulin

production.



Eric, "Soda Pop" usually means CocaCola or some other phosphate laden

drink. Phosphates block calcium absorbtion. Caffiene also interferes

with

 calcium uptake. Since active athletes need at least 2000mg of calcium per

day (not subtracting that which their Coka-Cola blocks) it would be a good

idea to revisit the choice of drink. 100% fruit juice will be more

healthy

 and have lots of sugars, too. maybe even a vitamin.

A balanced commercial product intended for recovery needs to have some

scientific basis for its existance. Tooting my own horn, I suggest you

look at the Shaklee website for sports products. Ask about the science

first. Shaklee has over 70+ published peer reviewed scientific studies

about human nutritional needs and their products intended to help those

needs. Check the web site. www.shaklee.net/thefullers Check out

Physique

 for recovery.

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