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Pat Sagers

2002-01-28

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I don't know enough about it to say. I'm just wondering who's used it and

if it works.

Pat

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Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] nutrition

Pat,

Do you think phosphate loading perhaps crosses the line from nutrition to

supplementation?

Peter Drake

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I was reading in a training book about the use of sodium phosphate several

days before a race. I had never heard of the practice before and wanted to

hear if anyone had used it and if it really had any positive effects on race

day performance.

Thanks

Pat

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The percent composition of your diet depends on the denominator (total

caloric intake) as well as the numerator (say, fat intake). Hitting a 20-25%

target for fat intake is more important if you are eating close to the

"normal" RDA of energy (kilocalories). 20% of 2500 is 500 kcal or about

55-60 grams of fat per day, of which the experts say no more than 20 should

be saturated fats. Fats are needed for cell synthesis, tissue maintenance,

and hormone balance.

If you're working out strenuously and trying to maintain muscle mass and

glycogen stores, you will need more food than that. If you add protein

(muscle mass) and carbohydrate (glycogen) to your diet, your denominator

increases, but the numerator stays about the same, so the % of fat in your

diet decreases. Some added fat will "sneak" in on the extra buttered bread,

olive oil'd pasta,nuts, or meats, of course. But, if you're concentrating on

high-quality chow, and eating above the RDA for total energy, it's probably

okay to go lower in fat as a total % of your diet by adding mainly carbs and

protein to an otherwise balanced diet.

Exercise, espceially long-term endurance exercise, blunts the insulin

response to simple carbohydrate. Many top ultraendurance cyclists ride for

24-48 hours supplemented mainly by gummy worms and flat Coke. I think this

sounds yukky, but on the other hand my gotta-have emergency fuel is York

Peppermint Patties. I don't see a lot of complex carbs there!

The blunting effect works best if you have been exercising for an hour or

more BEFORE you ingest the carbs.

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don't know enough about it to say. I'm just wondering who's used it and if

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you think phosphate loading perhaps crosses the line from nutrition to

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 I was reading in a training book about the use of sodium

 phosphate several days before a race. I had never heard of the

 practice before and wanted to hear if anyone had used it and if it really

 had any positive effects on race day performance.

 Thanks Pat 

 -----Original Message----- From:

 sandy kenny [<A

 href="mailto:sasha-@aol.com">mailto:sasha-@aol.com</A>]

 Sent: 24 Jan, 2002 8:48 AM To:

 ob-@topica.com Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat]

 nutrition 

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 The percent composition of your diet depends on the

 denominator (total caloric intake) as well as the numerator (say, fat

 intake). Hitting a 20-25% target for fat intake is more important if you are

 eating close to the "normal" RDA of energy (kilocalories). 20% of 2500 is

 500 kcal or about 55-60 grams of fat per day, of which the experts say no

 more than 20 should be saturated fats. Fats are needed for cell synthesis,

 tissue maintenance, and hormone balance. 

 If you're working out strenuously and trying to maintain

 muscle mass and glycogen stores, you will need more food than that. If you

 add protein (muscle mass) and carbohydrate (glycogen) to your diet, your

 denominator increases, but the numerator stays about the same, so the % of

 fat in your diet decreases. Some added fat will "sneak" in on the extra

 buttered bread, olive oil'd pasta,nuts, or meats, of course. But, if you're

 concentrating on high-quality chow, and eating above the RDA for total

 energy, it's probably okay to go lower in fat as a total % of your diet by

 adding mainly carbs and protein to an otherwise balanced diet.

 Exercise, espceially long-term endurance exercise, blunts

 the insulin response to simple carbohydrate. Many top ultraendurance

 cyclists ride for 24-48 hours supplemented mainly by gummy worms and flat

 Coke. I think this sounds yukky, but on the other hand my gotta-have

 emergency fuel is York Peppermint Patties. I don't see a lot of complex

 carbs there! 

 The blunting effect works best if you have been exercising

 for an hour or more BEFORE you ingest the carbs. 

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