Road Racing

Why is that every issue I see talked about in this forum had to do with cat 4/5 racers? Calm down guys... you're Olympic chances are long gone!=========================================
"It has been brought to my attention that the 4/5 and master 4/5 results are
duplicates. It will get fixed shortly.

Please remember to treat officials with respect. Angry emails
don't really help the situation at all. I made a simple mistake and it will
get fixed, so please be patient.

Thanks,
Scott


palm-@open.org

2002-01-30

Ken,



There's been a lot of good advice regarding things to think about as a new

racer. MOST IMPORTANT is to get out and ride with a group! Practice drafting in

a paceline and riding very close to other riders. If you're not a member of a

club, join one! Get out once or twice a week with them. Find a club that has at

least one designated easy or medium intensity ride a week, where coaching is

more important than ego, and no one finishes alone.



Good luck,



Dave Palmer

Capitol Velo

Racing



Daimeon Shanks

2002-01-30

First, you must claim that you can climb better than Lance Armstrong and

tell everyone in the press how you will defeat him in July.



That is all



Thank you, come again









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Ken:



Good for you, making the jump to road racing.



YOu have heard plenty of good advice. Now I'll add my 2 cents and you

will

 be ready to go:



1) Don't cross wheels EVER, EVER, EVER in the CAT IV bunch...not even for

an instant

2) Hone your new road skills at the first (and one of the best) Road Race

of the Season: The Cherry Pie Road Race on February 17th

3) Apply what you have learned 7 weeks later at the Doyenne of Oregon Road

Races, the Most Famous Single Day Classic Race in Oregon, The World Famous

Kings Valley Road Race on Saturday April 6th.



These races are tailor made for new road racers like you.



See ya



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Scott Goldstein

2002-01-30

Ken:



Good for you, making the jump to road racing.



YOu have heard plenty of good advice. Now I'll add my 2 cents and you will

be ready to go:



1) Don't cross wheels EVER, EVER, EVER in the CAT IV bunch...not even for

an instant

2) Hone your new road skills at the first (and one of the best) Road Race

of the Season: The Cherry Pie Road Race on February 17th

3) Apply what you have learned 7 weeks later at the Doyenne of Oregon Road

Races, the Most Famous Single Day Classic Race in Oregon, The World Famous

Kings Valley Road Race on Saturday April 6th.



These races are tailor made for new road racers like you.



See ya



Scott





 


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Kenneth Finch

2002-01-30

Ken,



The best advice I can give you is to quit while your

still ahead. After all weren't you the first place

finisher in your category and class in the SOBE series

last year?



If, indeed, you do intend to continue this foolish

pursuit there are a few ideas I can share with you.



1) Purchase the most expensive bike and wheel set you

can because the speed is all in the equipment.



2) Eat a lot to bulk up, the extra weight will lead to

faster descents, more then compensating for the slower

speed up hills.



3) Don't train too much as this will leave you tired

for the races



4) Buy a set of expensive "pro team" togs. This will

intimidate the rest of the field, giving you a

competitive edge.



Seriously though, Ken, if you'd like the benefit of my

experience racing every other week in the Cat. 4/5 and

masters races at PIR last summer and a few criteriums

where I got my wheels blown off, we should get

together for a couple of rides this spring. That is

once I finish my house projects and the weather warms

up......and I've finished my "bulking up" program.

Email me.



Ken Finch





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I'm thinking of doing my first ever road race (cat

5, old man class) and was

wondering if anyone could give me any helpful hints

on road racing. I'm a

decent Mt biker, but this road thing is new to me.

Oh, and now that I road ride as well, do I have to

wave at Mt bikers while

I'm on my road bike and wave at road riders while

I'm on my Mt bike? Or am I

a "tweener" where I don't have to wave at

all....Just wondering.



Ken



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 The

early races now are Cherry Pie, Banana Belt, Kings Valley, and Tour of Willamette,?



. . .Don't forget Piece of Cake Road Race!   For over twentyfive years

it's been providing a flat 'n rural venue at the end of March on twisty

roads in the heart of Oregon's grass-seed pastures. . . (3/31/02)



David



Mark Greenwood

2002-01-30

The other suggestions I've seen here are all good (hold your line, keep

your hands on the drops in close quarters, etc). The name of the game

is very steady, controlled riding. Don't panic, don't swerve, don't

make sudden moves in the pack. You will earn the enmity of your fellow

racers and no one will want to work with you if you do. Save your

explosive energy for attacking. Excellent pack riding skills are

survival skills in road racing. If you can, practice "bumping" drills

with other riders during training so that the first time you experience

it isn't during a race. Good bike handling is no guarantee that you

won't crash, but ignoring it is almost a guarantee you will at some

point. Get some idea of the protocol of working in pacelines

(particularly echelons since they seem to confuse a lot of new racers

and they will form in races like Piece of Cake, flat with lots of wind).



I would add: don't sit in at the back. Everyone will tell you to stay

out of the wind (good advice), but (1) you're more likely to get caught

in a crash if you're at the back, and (2) you can't react to anything if

you're back there. Keep in the first dozen or so riders; if you have to

take a pull, do what you think you can and then get off and slide easily

back into the group. A lot of novice racers are so afraid of getting

stuck out in the wind they'll do anything to avoid being on the front -

that's just wimpy racing. When you're on the front, you set the pace -

don't let other people set it for you. Also, don't be afraid to take a

flyer off the front (at a "smart" time) if you feel good. You probably

won't succeed and you may end up getting dropped, but if you're in it to

have fun, so what? You might as well die trying, good attacks make for

more exciting racing, and if your timing happens to be poor it ends up

being a good learning experience.



When you get tired, you won't feel like thinking about the race, you'll

be totally concentrated on just hanging on. Staying focused on what the

pack is doing, though, will get you through it. Keep paying attention

to what's happening around you no matter how tired you get. If you're

so tired you can't focus, you're a danger to the riders around you, and

you're probably about to get dropped anyway.



Joining a team has been a good experience for me; it's a great way to

learn race tactics, and training rides with a team will hone your road

riding skills quickly.



Good luck and have a blast! I have. Hope my comments are helpful.



Mark



Ken Lindhorst wrote:

 I'm thinking of doing my first ever road race (cat 5, old man class) and

was

wondering if anyone could give me any helpful hints on road racing. I'm

a

decent Mt biker, but this road thing is new to me.

Oh, and now that I road ride as well, do I have to wave at Mt bikers

while

I'm on my road bike and wave at road riders while I'm on my Mt bike? Or

am I

a "tweener" where I don't have to wave at all....Just wondering.



Ken



Kenneth Finch

2002-01-30

Ken,



The best advice I can give you it to give up now,

while your still ahead. After all weren't you the SOBE

Beginner Class champ in your age group last year?



If your still determined to go ahead, you must:



1) Buy the most expensive bike and wheels you can,

because speed is all in the equipment.



2)Eat all you can, the additional weight will make you

faster in the down hills, more then making up for the

extra effort required to go up.



3)Refrain from too much training as it will wear you

out for the races.



4)Buy some expensive "pro team" togs as this will mark

you as a man to be feared on the race course.





Really Ken, if you want to get serious about this road

racing stuff we should get together for a ride

sometime this spring and I'll share the vast amount of

knowledge I picked up from a summers worth of racing

Cat. 4/5 at PIR every other week and getting my wheels

blown off at the occasional criterium last year. That

is we can go for a ride as soon as I finish my latest

house project and the weather warms up.



Ken Finch



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I'm thinking of doing my first ever road race (cat

5, old man class) and was

wondering if anyone could give me any helpful hints

on road racing. I'm a

decent Mt biker, but this road thing is new to me.

Oh, and now that I road ride as well, do I have to

wave at Mt bikers while

I'm on my road bike and wave at road riders while

I'm on my Mt bike? Or am I

a "tweener" where I don't have to wave at

all....Just wondering.



Ken



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Ken,



I started racing in my thirties about 6 years ago and still love it. My advice is to race early and often. It seems in Oregon some of the best road races are in the beginnning of the season. The packs are bigger providing not only shelter and but more opportunity for learning. The early races now are Cherry Pie, Banana Belt, Kings Valley, and Tour of Willamette, These have a particular energy that's hard to describe until you're there. For better or worse, the courses for some of these races are a little more hillier than in the past, thus the possibility of getting dropped by the pack is higher. Don't let this be a deterrent, it usually fuels one's desire to get better. Another excellent training ground, agreed upon by many, are the Monday and Tuesday night series at Portland International Raceway. Beginning in May/April, these provide good opportunity for pack racing and altering strategies. Not surprisingly, the early to mid-season PIRs are better attended than the late ones. Thus, don't do a beginner mistake and say, I'll just ease into the season - attack it instead.







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I'm thinking of doing my first ever road race (cat 5, old man class) and was wondering if anyone could give me any helpful hints on road racing. I'm a decent Mt biker, but this road thing is new to me.

Oh, and now that I road ride as well, do I have to wave at Mt bikers while I'm on my road bike and wave at road riders while I'm on my Mt bike? Or am I a "tweener" where I don't have to wave at all....Just wondering.



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<DIV>I started racing in my thirties about 6 years ago and still love it.

My advice is to race early and often. It seems in Oregon some of the best

road races are in the beginnning of the season. The packs are bigger providing

not only shelter and but more opportunity for learning. The early races now are

Cherry Pie, Banana Belt, Kings Valley, and Tour of Willamette,  These have

a particular energy that's hard to describe until you're there.  For better

or worse, the courses for some of these races are a little more hillier than in

the past, thus the possibility of getting dropped by the pack is higher. Don't

let this be a deterrent, it usually fuels one's desire to get better. 

Another excellent training ground, agreed upon by many, are the Monday and

Tuesday night series at Portland International Raceway. Beginning in

May/April, these provide good opportunity for pack racing and altering

strategies.  Not surprisingly, the early to mid-season PIRs are better

attended than the late ones.  Thus, don't do a beginner mistake and

say, I'll just ease into the season - attack it instead.</DIV>

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DaViD AuKeR

2002-01-29

Ken,



 wondering if anyone could give

me any helpful hints on road racing.



Here's a few helpful(?) hints!



Know where the wind is coming from. Stay on a wheel. Be friendly to

everyone, but try and use them to keep you out of the wind whenever

possible. The larger the pack, the less you should be at the

front...let others do the work. Don't put little dolls on your rear

brake, 'cause it might distract someone. Test all your equipment days

ahead of time, and don't ride too hard/far the day before the race. Get

to the race early enough to roll around a little bit, but don't overdo

the warm-up. In my book, ten minutes is plenty...you want to work up a

little heat, but not much more...save that for the race. Avoid the

temptation of "showing everyone how fit you are" in the first ten

minutes of the race, but be ready to react if the pack goes fast! Do as

much as you can with the least amount of output, like try not to move up

too many times unsheltered, in the wind. Smile when you're really

hurting (everyone else will be hurting, too!). Say stuff like, "I love

my bike, I love hurting..." When you think music, think rock, not

ballad! The pack is a large, seething animal - keep alert, watch what

the mood is, what starts a chase, what the rhythm of fast/rest seems to

be.    



Above all, HAVE FUN!



David

 

I'm thinking of doing my first ever road race (cat 5, old man class) and was wondering if anyone could give

me any helpful hints on road racing. I'm a decent Mt biker, but this road thing is new to me.

Oh, and now that I road ride as well, do I have to wave at Mt bikers while I'm on my road bike and wave at

road riders while I'm on my Mt bike? Or am I a "tweener" where I don't have to wave at all....Just wondering.





Ken



Dan H.

2002-01-29

I use the finger lift where the hand never comes off the bar, but you

extend two or three fingers in the direction of the oncoming rider.

There are variations of this depending on how much you want to aknowledge

the other rider based on bike type, attire, and sex.



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of doing my first ever road race (cat 5, old man class) and was wondering

if anyone could give me any helpful hints on road racing. I'm a decent Mt

biker, but this road thing is new to me.

Oh, and now that I road ride as well, do I have to wave at Mt bikers while

I'm on my road bike and wave at road riders while I'm on my Mt bike? Or am

I a "tweener" where I don't have to wave at all....Just wondering.



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My opinion may differ from some, but here's what I think.



The most important thing in a road race is to hold on to your bike,

hold a straight line, and watch watch is going on all around you.

If you're shoulder to shoulder in a Cat 5 race, hold on to the drops

of your handlebars, and bend your elbows - don't sit up with straight

arms and a sissy grip on the tops of the bars, or you will go down.



So my advice - save some skin, hold on, go straight, don't focus

on the wheel right in front of you.



-Erik



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was wondering if anyone could give me any helpful hints on road racing. I'm

a decent Mt biker, but this road thing is new to me.

Oh, and now that I road ride as well, do I have to wave at Mt bikers while

I'm on my road bike and wave at road riders while I'm on my Mt bike? Or am I

a "tweener" where I don't have to wave at all....Just wondering.



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<DIV><SPAN class=146205205-30012002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>My

opinion may differ from some, but here's what I think.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=146205205-30012002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff

size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=146205205-30012002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The

most important thing in a road race is to hold on to your

bike,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=146205205-30012002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>hold a

straight line, and watch watch is going on all around you.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=146205205-30012002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>If

you're shoulder to shoulder in a Cat 5 race, hold on to the

drops</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=146205205-30012002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>of

your handlebars, and bend your elbows - don't sit up with

straight</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=146205205-30012002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>arms

and a sissy grip on the tops of the bars, or you will go

down.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=146205205-30012002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff

size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=146205205-30012002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>So my

advice - save some skin, hold on, go straight, don't focus</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=146205205-30012002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>on the

wheel right in front of you.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=146205205-30012002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff

size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=146205205-30012002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff

size=2>-Erik</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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thinking of doing my first ever road race (cat 5, old man class) and was

wondering if anyone could give me any helpful hints on road racing. I'm a

decent Mt biker, but this road thing is new to me.<BR>Oh, and now that I road

ride as well, do I have to wave at Mt bikers while I'm on my road bike and

wave at road riders while I'm on my Mt bike? Or am I a "tweener" where I don't

have to wave at all....Just wondering. <BR><BR>Ken</FONT><FONT lang=0

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I'm thinking of doing my first ever road race (cat 5, old man class) and was

wondering if anyone could give me any helpful hints on road racing. I'm a

decent Mt biker, but this road thing is new to me.

Oh, and now that I road ride as well, do I have to wave at Mt bikers while

I'm on my road bike and wave at road riders while I'm on my Mt bike? Or am I

a "tweener" where I don't have to wave at all....Just wondering.



Ken







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Oh, and now that I road ride as well, do I have to wave at Mt bikers while I'm on my road bike and wave at road riders while I'm on my Mt bike? Or am I a "tweener" where I don't have to wave at all....Just wondering. <BR>

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