Joe King
Is there anywhere else this discussion could be taken? I really don't
need my email filling up with Tyler Hamilton emails all weekend.
Thanks
Joe
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:42 PM, eric aldinger wrote:
> Thanks for your polite reply Brady.
>
> How is it not striving to give your best when you take medical risks to
> enhance performance using organic techniques like blood transfusions or EPO.
> Sanctioning bodies already allow the use of anti-inflammatory agents to
> allow athletes to continue perform when injured or over training. Prolonged
> use of NSAIDs promotes GI damage.(1) The sanctioning bodies allow the use of
> branch chain amino acid supplements, like tyrosine, to increase endurance
> during training, even though excessive protein consumption can theoretically
> lead to calcium loss, inadequate carbohydrate intake, and (theoretically)
> kidney damage.(2) Tyler was busted once for homologous blood transfusions.
> This transfusion is banned because it carries a risk of infection and
> immuno-suppression.(3) Thise are not are not huge hair raising risks for a
> healthy athlete, when compared with the risk of injury inherant in bicycle
> racing. These are more a concern for a dialiosis patient. A blood
> transfusion is not cheating. It is a medically sound way to improve recovery
> times. Autologous blood transfusions are banned and they carry none of the
> significant risks of homologous blood transfusions.(4) That just seems like
> a knee jerk reaction to a new training method.
>
> I am not trying to pick a fight. I just don't understand why the cycling
> community is so opposed to allowing new medical procedures to be used to
> enhance performance in the professional ranks. Right now, all these rules do
> is force athletes to have their EPO administered by untrained handlers who
> are not bound by the same professional ethical standards as a doctor. (5)
> This is what leads to dosage above the proscribed amounts for these drugs,
> and ultimately leads to stoke or death. Make it legal and athletes have a
> better chance of using the tools they are already using in a more
> constrained manner.
>
> I like the idea of the unmodified and modified segregation in racing. But I
> don't see how you get around someone who is not fast enough sans dangerous
> medical procedures doping, transfusing, or sleeping in an oxygen tent in the
> unmodified category.
>
> Citations
> 1) http://www.lef.org/protocols/appendix/otc_toxicity_01.htm
> 2) http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/414351
> if you do not have a Medscape account refer to
> http://www1.rism.ac.th/2005/ProjectEvents/BTN/Handouts/Morning/LookGood_Pyong/ProteinRatio.pdf
> for the same content
> 3) http://jtcs.ctsnetjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/104/4/1092
> 4) http://www.healthline.com/galecontent/autologous-blood-donation
> 5) http://www.velonews.com/article/13360
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Brady Brady wrote:
>>
>> If consenting adults want to use dangerous medical procedures to
>> abnormally improve their abilities why is that an issue?
>>
>>
>>
>> It is an issue becausewhether they like it or notthere are kids who
>> idolize these consenting adults.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is an issue because for every uber-doper, there is someone in the
>> peloton who has been suffering for years as a domestique, paying their dues
>> and playing it straight, just to have their one career SHOT at cracking a
>> top-20 finish.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is an issue because it attempts to discredit the notion that giving
>> ones best is its own reward, and that usually, no matter how hard one
>> tries, there is someone better
and one has to deal with that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On another note, It doesnt look like Tylers current problem had anything
>> to do with all of this. Hopefully he will be able to get the help he needs.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
>> Behalf Of ewascent@gmail.com
>> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:40 AM
>> To: Justin Serna; Chris Streight; obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tyler Hamilton
>>
>>
>>
>> If consenting adults want to use dangerous medical procedures to
>> abnormally improve their abilities why is that an issue? A small but highly
>> visible minority of top riders have been busted for trying to use banned
>> medical procedures to outperform their natural bodies. So what? Random
>> testing and applying sanctions seems like a waste of talent and money to me.
>> I always assume every top pro is doing something just this side of "illegal"
>> in their training and recovery. To me that is as tedious as prohibiting how
>> powerful a stock car engine can be, to prevent drivers from out performing
>> their skills.
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2009 11:27am, Justin Serna wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > This story is sad in so many ways!!! When I initially viewed this story
>> > I was disappointed and angered that yet another elite athlete had succumbed
>> > to the so called pressure to win and so made the excuse to use performance
>> > enhancing DRUGS. After reading the entire post, my anger subsided and my
>> > disappointment and sadness for Mr. Hamilton's decisions both past and
>> > present made me realize the he is just a human being. I do not condone Mr.
>> > Hamilton's actions, however it is clear the Tyler has much more difficult
>> > issues to deal with than being a professional cyclist. I hope he will get
>> > the assistance he needs and be able to move on to a more positive place.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hopefully this issue will not further the tarnished view of professional
>> > cycling and most will realize that this is an isolated incident carried out
>> > by man the has been diagnosed with severe depression.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Just my 2 cents..............
>> >
>> >
>> > Justin J. Serna
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> > From: Chris Streight streighty@gmail.com>
>> > To: obra@list.obra.org
>> > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:07:55 AM
>> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tyler Hamilton
>> >
>> > Sad ending to Tyler Hamilton's career
>> >
>> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2009/apr09/apr17news3
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