Brian Engelen

I think that anyone who is likely to sue should be 86'ed from our events.
And some of those people have shown themselves here. It is just poor
business to let them continue to put our events at risk.

"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"

Brian E

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Ben Fischler
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:15 AM
To: halfwheelhill@yahoo.com
Cc: OBRA list list; Brian Johnson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Taking BST to court can't be good for OR racing

MTB racing and riding is an adventure sport. Part of the sport is being
ready for anything, including snow. I've raced in conditions that were "too
hot" and "too cold" for comfort, and some of those races were in my early
teens. If all those races had been cancelled due to tender legal feelings
then I would have missed some of the best rides and best experiences of my
life.

Sueing your way out of a lousy race experience does nothing for anyone.

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- ben.fischler@gmail.com -

- bfischler@laika.com -

On Apr 28, 2009, at 8:46 AM, scott hill wrote:

this is the same crap that killed bike racing in texas for several years. if
you don't like tough conditions then don't mountain bike, or wait till
summer. nobody made you race, you drove there on your own and could probably
see the snow when you got out of your car. i have done some mtb races that
you had to run 90% of the course because of mud, but you know what RACERS
RACE their bike and have fun doing it. if you don't like it take up golf.

scott

--- On Mon, 4/27/09, Brian Johnson wrote:

From: Brian Johnson
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Taking BST to court can't be good for OR racing
To: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 11:33 PM

Message: 3

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:23:58 +0000

From: Evan Plews < plewse@hotmail.com>

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] up front--BS!

I must weigh in... this was supreme rip-off.

A "supreme rip off"? The tone of your message is so extreme it's baffling!

The bigger picture is the loss for Oregon racing. Why?

***SNIP***

If SkiBowl will not issue refunds, I would like some of our attorney friends
to weight in with the possibility of pursuing a collective claim through
small claims court. I personally will pay any court costs to see justice
served. Until promoters (even me) are held accountable, we ALL will suffer
and lose members and events!

I think that hostile attitudes and whispers of litigation pose more of a
threat to Oregon racing than early season races with snow on the ground. I
imagine that the threat of litigation (or the mere involvement of "attorney
friends") is extremely off-putting and pose yet another unpleasant hurdle to
staging a race event.

Best Regards,

Evan Plews

To be fair, I'll have to say that I wish the MTB racing season started in
May (with maybe a couple of mucky races in March or April for the masochists
among us). I also think that the organizers of Bear Springs trap could have
done a bit more to communicate the conditions up there. That said, I took it
upon myself to check weather reports for the area and then made the decision
to attend the race for myself. I went expecting snow and took my cold/wet
weather gear. I was expecting 2.5 hours of cyclocross.

Brian J.

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