D Grab
Personally, I think public ridicule of the very small handful of weak, character-deficient individuals (especially if they are "elite/pro" racers) is a far more effective and entertaining approach.
Of course if we were interested in a more proactive tack, perhaps we can ask the promoter's if they would be willing to allow racers to participate "on spec" as it were. If you race and like the course and/or do well, then you pay the race fees. If the course does not suit your fancy or you fail to achieve the result you believe you deserve, then you do not have to pay. Seems completely reasonable doesn't it?
--- On Tue, 4/28/09, Brian Mitchell wrote:
From: Brian Mitchell
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Taking BST to court can't be good for OR racing
To: "bengelen@comcast.net"
Cc: "obra@list.obra.org"
Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:04 AM
Hmm, kind of like a "blacklist of un-OBRA-ites"of sorts?!
Sen. McCarthy would be so proud. . .
On Apr 28, 2009, at 12:32 PM, "Brian Engelen" wrote:
I think that anyone who is likely to sue should be 86ed from our events. And some of those people have shown themselves here. It is just poor business to let them continue to put our events at risk.
We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone
Brian E
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Ben Fischler
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:15 AM
To: halfwheelhill@yahoo.com
Cc: OBRA list list; Brian Johnson
Subject: Re: [ OBRA Chat ] Taking BST to court can't be good for OR racing
MTB racing and riding is an adventure sport. Part of the sport is being ready for anything, including snow. I've raced in conditions that were "too hot" and "too cold" for comfort, and some of those races were in my early teens. If all those races had been cancelled due to tender legal feelings then I would have missed some of the best rides and best experiences of my life.
Sueing your way out of a lousy race experience does nothing for anyone.
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On Apr 28, 2009, at 8:46 AM, scott hill wrote:
this is the same crap that killed bike racing in texas for several years. if you don't like tough conditions then don't mountain bike, or wait till summer. nobody made you race, you drove there on your own and could probably see the snow when you got out of your car. i have done some mtb races that you had to run 90% of the course because of mud, but you know what RACERS RACE their bike and have fun doing it. if you don't like it take up golf.
scott
--- On Mon, 4/27/09, Brian Johnson wrote:
From: Brian Johnson
Subject: [ OBRA Chat ] Taking BST to court can't be good for OR racing
To: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 11:33 PM
Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:23:58 +0000
From: Evan Plews
Subject: Re: [ OBRA Chat ] up front--BS!
I must weigh in... this was supreme rip-off.
A "supreme rip off"? The tone of your message is so extreme it's baffling!
The bigger picture is the loss for Oregon racing. Why?
***SNIP***
If SkiBowl will not issue refunds, I would like some of our attorney friends to weight in with the possibility of pursuing a collective claim through small claims court. I personally will pay any court costs to see justice served. Until promoters (even me) are held accountable, we ALL will suffer and lose members and events!
I think that hostile attitudes and whispers of litigation pose more of a threat to Oregon racing than early season races with snow on the ground. I imagine that the threat of litigation (or the mere involvement of "attorney friends") is extremely off-putting and pose yet another unpleasant hurdle to staging a race event.
Best Regards,
Evan Plews
To be fair, I'll have to say that I wish the MTB racing season started in May (with maybe a couple of mucky races in March or April for the masochists among us). I also think that the organizers of Bear Springs trap could have done a bit more to communicate the conditions up there. That said, I took it upon myself to check weather reports for the area and then made the decision to attend the race for myself. I went expecting snow and took my cold/wet weather gear. I was expecting 2.5 hours of cyclocross.
Brian J.
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