THOR Man
Thats funny.
But seriously. STOP THE WHINING!!! Is this a email list full of grown adults or 8 yr olds? Its getting hard to tell these days. Seems like every day, every little thing, whine and complain. Are you bored, like to hear yourself talk, a drama queen or what? What happened to just racing your bike for the kicks and shutting up. Why the drama?
Keep it up though. If i was a promoter reading all this, I would give you all the finger. Why would anyone want to put on a race that requires pouring their heart and sole into for such ungrateful pre-madonas? And the threaten to sue. ARE YOU TRYING TO RUIN RACING IN OREGON ALL TOGEHTER?
Cycling is a sport of you and you bike versus mother nature and her forces. Who ever can endure it the best, wins. End of story. Good thing the uci pros dont whine like you all, or the sport all together may just end. Ive raced in a blizzard at national champs, other races have included snow, hail, 30-40 mph wind, 106 degree heat, humidity, dryness, monsoons, swamps, through cattle pastures dodging animals, it happens. If you cant take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Like a previous email stated, take up golf, of go play a 5yr old basketball, or soe a scarf.
So, in conclusion, if you dont like the race dont show. And if you do race, man up and shut up.
THOR ALMIGHTY
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:42:47 -0700
From: RickCJohnson1@gmail.com
To: dgrab2002@yahoo.com
CC: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Taking BST to court can't be good for OR racing
That's funny! I think I'll try it when I go out for lunch today -
"Bring me my food and after I'm done eating it I'll decide if I'm
satisfied enough to pay you"
Or maybe do some bike shopping -
"I'll take this bike for a few months and if I like it I'll come back
and pay you"
I'm sure the business' will understand completely and happily agree...
Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon
"We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
-- Benjamin Franklin
D Grab wrote:
Personally, I think public ridicule of the very small
handful of weak, character-deficient individuals (especially if they
are "elite/pro" racers) is a far more effective and entertaining
approach.
Of course if we were interested in a more proactive tack,
perhaps we can ask the promoter's if they would be willing to allow
racers to participate "on spec" as it were. If you race and like the
course and/or do well, then you pay the race fees. If the course does
not suit your fancy or you fail to achieve the result you believe you
deserve, then you do not have to pay. Seems completely reasonable
doesn't it?
--- On Tue, 4/28/09, Brian Mitchell
wrote:
From:
Brian Mitchell
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Taking BST to court can't be good for OR racing
To: "bengelen@comcast.net"
Cc: "obra@list.obra.org"
Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:04 AM
Hmm, kind of like a "blacklist of un-OBRA-ites"of
sorts?!
Sen. McCarthy would be so proud. . .
On Apr 28, 2009, at 12:32 PM, "Brian Engelen" wrote:
I think
that anyone who is likely to sue should be 86ed from our events. And
some of those people have shown themselves here. It is just poor
business to let them continue to put our events at risk.
We reserve
the right to refuse service to anyone
Brian E
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Ben Fischler
Sent: Tuesday,
April 28, 2009 9:15 AM
To: halfwheelhill@yahoo.com
Cc: OBRA list
list; Brian Johnson
Subject: Re: [
OBRA Chat ] Taking BST to court can't be good for OR racing
MTB racing and riding is an adventure sport.
Part of the sport is being ready for anything, including snow. I've
raced in conditions that were "too hot" and "too cold" for comfort, and
some of those races were in my early teens. If all those races had
been cancelled due to tender legal feelings then I would have missed
some of the best rides and best experiences of my life.
Sueing
your way out of a lousy race experience does nothing for anyone.
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- ben.fischler@gmail.com
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- bfischler@laika.com
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On Apr 28, 2009, at 8:46 AM, scott hill
wrote:
this is the same crap that
killed bike racing in texas for several years. if you don't like tough
conditions then don't mountain bike, or wait till summer. nobody made
you race, you drove there on your own and could probably see the snow
when you got out of your car. i have done some mtb races that you had
to run 90% of the course because of mud, but you know what RACERS RACE
their bike and have fun doing it. if you don't like it take up golf.
scott
--- On Mon, 4/27/09, Brian Johnson
wrote:
From:
Brian Johnson
Subject: [ OBRA Chat ] Taking BST to court can't be good for OR racing
To: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 11:33 PM
Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009
19:23:58 +0000
From: Evan Plews
Subject: Re: [ OBRA Chat ] up
front--BS!
I must
weigh in... this was supreme rip-off.
A "supreme rip off"? The tone
of your message is so extreme it's baffling!
The
bigger picture is the loss for Oregon racing. Why?
***SNIP***
If SkiBowl will not issue
refunds, I would like some of our attorney friends to weight in with
the possibility of pursuing a collective claim through small claims
court. I personally will pay any court costs to see justice served.
Until promoters (even me) are held accountable, we ALL will suffer and
lose members and events!
I think that hostile attitudes
and whispers of litigation pose more of a threat to Oregon racing than
early season races with snow on the ground. I imagine that the threat
of litigation (or the mere involvement of "attorney friends") is
extremely off-putting and pose yet another unpleasant hurdle to staging
a race event.
Best Regards,
Evan Plews
To be fair, I'll have to say
that I wish the MTB racing season started in May (with maybe a couple
of mucky races in March or April for the masochists among us). I also
think that the organizers of Bear Springs trap could have done a bit
more to communicate the conditions up there. That said, I took it upon
myself to check weather reports for the area and then made the decision
to attend the race for myself. I went expecting snow and took my
cold/wet weather gear. I was expecting 2.5 hours of cyclocross.
Brian J.
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father asks : "Do you live here or ride bikes?"
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