Re: Women at Tabor failing to Neutralize

David Hart

2009-06-25

In an agreement with Clark, we (I) try to start the next group after the
finishing group starts down hill. That works for the masters men & cat 3 as
only a few riders get dropped.

If we pulled all categories like a USA Cycling event. Only 25 of 50 cat 5
riders would have finished, 35 or so cat 4's and about 6 of the women out of
41.

I could/would discuss with Clark about pulling riders that just crossed the
finish line when the leader is like 30 seconds behind. I want all to get
their fare share of racing in the time allowed.

Maybe a thought would be have the cat 5 riders go first then the fixed gear
followed by women. Just a thought, not my race : )

David

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Tim Schauer wrote:

> My 2 cents…I don’t race Tabor a lot, but I guess I don’t see why riders
> off the back of the main field (on the last lap or two) aren’t just pulled
> by the finish line official. Kind of like a Criterium, right? It wouldn’t
> need to be a DNF, they would/could be placed in the results just denied the
> finishing lap or two.
>
> This way all the fields can get all their laps and you can start the next
> group before the previous race finishes like you do now. Also this would
> make the course safer for pedestrians and spectators when they can better
> expect the racing cyclists to be in compact groups instead of spread over
> the course on the finishing laps.
>
>
>
> -Tim Schauer
>
> and yes, that means I would have been put out of my misery last night and
> pulled with one lap to go….which would not have been the worst thing for me
> at that time J
>
>
>
> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
> Behalf Of *David Hart
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:31 PM
> *To:*
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Women at Tabor failing to Neutralize
>
>
>
> It was the last lap of their. I announced at the start that the women were
> on the last lap. They should move but keep racing. Your field should give
> them their space to do their finish & then continue on.
>
> I guess I could cut another lap off and let them finish then send the
> masters off. Both fields would be happy about having the road to themselves
> but you would be doing one less lap.
>
> David
> Tabor Official
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Candi Murray wrote:
>
> I think it needs to be made clear to any rider that is being overtaken that
> they should move to the outside. It is unfortunate because the final lap of
> the race should take precedent over the 1st one.
>
> Candi
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* gschreckchat@comcast.net [mailto:gschreckchat@comcast.net]
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:08 PM
> *To:* David Hart; Candi Murray
> *Subject:* Women at Tabor failing to Neutralize
>
> The last two weeks we had somewhat dangerous situations on our forst
> Masters lap at Tabor, which was the last lap for some of the women.
>
>
>
> Both weeks, on the corner at the bottom of the down hill, some women kept
> riding as fast as they could while we were trying to pass them and failed to
> neutralize. In both cases, they kept riding next to us and then swung wide
> on the corner and ended up swinging into our pack, forcing a number of us to
> brake, this all occuring while we were going 35 mph.
>
>
>
> We told them they needed to neutralize, and they said that they were not in
> our race. I said, that is the entire point. At that point of their, they
> are far off the back, and for safety reasons, they need to be told to
> neutralize and let us pass.
>
>
>
> Also, both weeks on the uphill, there were individual women in the middle
> of the road and we all had to try to ride around them as they were going
> much slower then our pack. A few of the masters rides almost ran into them
> becuase they were going so much slower than the pack. Again, they need to
> be told to stay on the inside of the road.
>
>
>
> I suspect most of them are fairly new and have no clue, as was evidenced by
> their verbal responses. In any event, it was dangerous, partularly since
> some of them do not have the riding skills to ride along side a large pack,
> as was evidenced by those who swung into our pack because they could not
> handle the speed on the corner at the bottom of the downhilll.
>
>
>
>
> --
> david hart
>
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