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Who cares about the Masters BAR anyway.
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From: Michael Hoyt [mailto:mg.h-@charter.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:08 AM
To: mike.m-@obra.org
Cc: ob-@topica.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rules changes
Doesn't it seem thought that if you are a 35 year old in the hunt for
the BAR title and your main competition is a 40 year old that the older
person has an advantage? He will be eligible to ride in races that the
35 year old won't. The only reason this has any relevance is in relation
to a season long race title, not individual events per se.
M
On Thursday, January 1, 1998, at 12:39 AM, Mike.M-@obra.org wrote:
I have to disagree with this. It makes sense at some races for Masters
to
be defined differently than it is at other races. For example, Monday
PIR
works well for Masters defined as 30+. For the AVC Masters defined as
35+
or 40+ works better. It would be a mistake for us to say to race
organizers
that they have to run races of specifically defined age groups or not at
all. It is important to recognize the difference between deciding which
OBRA Championship races should be held and deciding what should be done
at
all races.
Mike Murray
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Hoyt <mg.h-@charter.net>
To: ob-@topica.com <ob-@topica.com>
Date: Friday, January 10, 2003 8:48 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Rules changes
I'd like to see a consistent definition of Masters age in all races. It
seems silly to have it as 35+ in some and 40+ in others. How can one
compete for the BAR if they aren't eligible to ride in some of the
races? It also seems that having Masters age cuts at 5 year intervals
in
State events dilutes the significance of a win. Why not simplify it to
Seniors, Masters and 50+ and leave it at that? For that matter, who
decided to name the Seniors, Seniors? What a mistake. Where will this
stop <g>.
M
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Who cares about the Masters BAR anyway.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Michael Hoyt [<A HREF="mailto:mg.h-@charter.net">mailto:mg.h-@charter.net</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:08 AM</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rules changes</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Doesn't it seem thought that if you are a 35 year old in the hunt for </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>the BAR title and your main competition is a 40 year old that the older </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>person has an advantage? He will be eligible to ride in races that the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>35 year old won't. The only reason this has any relevance is in relation </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>to a season long race title, not individual events per se.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>M</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>On Thursday, January 1, 1998, at 12:39 AM, Mike.M-@obra.org wrote:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>> I have to disagree with this. It makes sense at some races for Masters </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> be defined differently than it is at other races. For example, Monday </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> PIR</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> works well for Masters defined as 30+. For the AVC Masters defined as </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> 35+</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> or 40+ works better. It would be a mistake for us to say to race </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> organizers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> that they have to run races of specifically defined age groups or not at</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> all. It is important to recognize the difference between deciding which</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> OBRA Championship races should be held and deciding what should be done </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> at</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> all races.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Mike Murray</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> From: Michael Hoyt <mg.h-@charter.net></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To: ob-@topica.com <ob-@topica.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Date: Friday, January 10, 2003 8:48 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Rules changes</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> I'd like to see a consistent definition of Masters age in all races. It</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> seems silly to have it as 35+ in some and 40+ in others. How can one</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> compete for the BAR if they aren't eligible to ride in some of the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> races? It also seems that having Masters age cuts at 5 year intervals </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> State events dilutes the significance of a win. Why not simplify it to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> Seniors, Masters and 50+ and leave it at that? For that matter, who</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> decided to name the Seniors, Seniors? What a mistake. Where will this</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> stop <g>.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> M</FONT>
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